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Hm well as to the coconut, I somehow think it’s going to help them get home from NL, since Emma was holding a coconut in the 3×04 promo and looking up at the… pixie dust?… when she said “home”. Also MJR was holding a coconut, and he’s made it out of NL before, so SOMEHOW the coconut is important. Haha. Somehow the coconut helps them get out of NL, that’s my current theory lololol.
As to the Neal thing well, if Neal was still Bae, had Bae’s honour, integrity, innate morality, bravery, taking the path less trodden etc. I would be much more amenable to the idea of him being Emma’s TL. I would. But the fact is, adult Neal has made some selfish choices under the guise of being selfless. He’s literally fooling himself. He left Emma because he wanted to get her home, but the fact was, he ALSO wanted to avoid his father. He put Roland in danger to get to his family because he wanted to save them, never mind the fact that he was potentially going to ruin two lives because of it. I’m sure that being in NL for 300 years has permanently and psychologically scarred him.
Ugh, and the thing that kills me, JMo has tweeted that she would have kept Henry if she hadn’t been in jail. I’m literally so sad about that. It wasn’t necessary to send her to jail. I get that she will be able to forgive him, and I hope she does. But the fact is he made decisions for her that had HUGE consequences for her life. HUGE. I don’t know about you, but personally I would NEVER, ever, in a million years, trust that person not to break my heart again.
To me it’s fairly obvious that they’re setting up Captain Swan as endgame. They have paralleled them extensively with Snowing, while also giving them their own love story. Killian is being redeemed through his love for her. The structure, the dialogue, the filming choices, the characterisations, the body language, EVERYTHING, is a great neon sign pointing towards CS for me. I’ve never been more sure of anything in my life, and i’m being honest here, that CS is endgame.
The entire structure of season 2 would have been different if they were setting up SF. Time and again Neal has been referred to as an OBSTACLE to the CS ship, he was introduced as an obstacle in the first place, because he was the one who broke her ability to trust. JMo has recently tweeted that HOOK reminds her of NEAL i.e. she has to get past that before she can be with Killian. Neal has been paralleled extensively with his father, and there has been enough foreshadowing for me that I think Neal will be going down a dark path. Whether he does or not remains to be seen. JMo also gave an interview at NYCC that obisgirl touched on and these lines in it are VERY interesting:
Hook is the one who is helping her right now. Hook is the one who is present. He’s the one who’s sort of surprising her by following through on what he promises to do. And seems to be doing this very selflessly instead of selfishly. And so she’s definitely taken aback by how different he is than she expected.
Between the above quote and the fact that she said Hook reminds her of Neal, well, she’s obviously comparing the two (thanks again obisgirl!). It’s a Freudian slip – JMo is unconsciously giving us a comparison there. Basically that she expects Killian to do the wrong thing in every situation and is surprised when he doesn’t. Killian is following through on his promises whereas Neal didn’t. He’s acting selflessly instead of selfishly unlike Neal. And Emma is learning the difference between the two of them.
That’s where JMo’s mindset is at the moment. It seems like she doesn’t ship SF either.
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Whether he does or not remains to be seen. JMo also gave an interview at NYCC that obisgirl touched on and these lines in it are VERY interesting:
Hook is the one who is helping her right now. Hook is the one who is present. He’s the one who’s sort of surprising her by following through on what he promises to do. And seems to be doing this very selflessly instead of selfishly. And so she’s definitely taken aback by how different he is than she expected.
Between the above quote and the fact that she said Hook reminds her of Neal, well, she’s obviously comparing the two (thanks again obisgirl!). It’s a Freudian slip – JMo is unconsciously giving us a comparison there. Basically that she expects Killian to do the wrong thing in every situation and is surprised when he doesn’t. Killian is following through on his promises whereas Neal didn’t. He’s acting selflessly instead of selfishly unlike Neal. And Emma is learning the difference between the two of them.
That’s where JMo’s mindset is at the moment. It seems like she doesn’t ship SF either.
Do you have a tumblr Eala? Because it feels like I read the same exact words about that being a Freudian slip.
Where did you hear about this kiss? Was this from NYCC? I am hopeful that it will be CS but will be disappointed if it is SF. Maybe both? That would keep the theme of Tallahassee with Hook being the future and Neal the past.
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The kiss was mentioned at NYCC and Jen volunteered that information herself. And right after it, she even spoke some more about CS, so we have every reason to believe there’s going to be a kiss coming soon. And then we’re supposed to be getting something BIG on Friday.
*claps* to everything above!
I’ll be honest: the fandom guessed Bae would be Henry’s father in season 1 and I was expecting it. I actually LIKED the idea. I LOVE LOVE LOVE young Bae. I don’t think I can say that enough. Dylan is amazing. In fact I shipped Bae before I ever shipped Emma hardcore (though I did love Graham – RIP).
So when Season 2 rolled around and we decided “mystery guy” had to be Bae, I was…(words are escaping me). Not…underwhelmed per se, but there was something I couldn’t quite put my finger on. (I do really like MRJ actually, though he usually doesn’t play the friendliest of guys. He seems like a real sweetheart and I enjoy his interviews and it does not have ANYTHING to do with looks because both MRJ & Colin are adorable in their own ways!)
So I continued down this interesting path of ok SF, I guess that makes sense. I can see where people are coming from and I really liked Bae. I shipped him with Morraine (that didn’t last long) and I adored him with Wendy too (I still want to see him find a way back to the Darling family or them show up in NL or SOMETHING because it was too fast for me, I wanted more). I loved the Bae that stood up for both of them. That WANTED to fight, that WANTED to protect them. It broke my heart when Bae told Hook that he wanted to go back to his “real family” the Darlings.
And then we get to Tallahassee. Tallahassee changed EVERYTHING for me. There were fun moments in The Doctor and that’s where my ship met, but it was Tallahassee that cemented it. It drove home the fact that Emma is ENTIRELY DIFFERENT now than she was then.
It wasn’t just the jail thing. I know people think we need to “let that go” and I’m sure Emma hasn’t but that’s not it. It’s the ways around it. He could have told Pinocchio to take off (but knowing his name FREAKED HIM OUT). He could have promised to take her to SB, Maine around her 28th birthday (where she would have NO reason to stay without Henry being the catalyst unless Neal was going to confess all then and say hey, your parents are here, we need to save them even though you now think I’m crazy but oh yeah, his dad was there too).
It wasn’t even just those things which I’ve written on ad nauseum from the start. It’s the way they were when they were together. The MOMENT things got bad for him, he decided that he needed to leave. That it was “too dangerous” for the woman he formerly called the Bonnie to his Clyde. He was GOING TO LEAVE HER to go to Canada until she said she loved him and that SHE would take care of the watches to get HIM out of trouble and THEN she was left hanging because of Pinocchio. Not great teamwork.
It was her reaction to the idea of settling down. It didn’t seem right to me (I’ve written on it before) but it’s hard to put my finger on it. Once she was swayed she went into it 100% and believed in him but there was just something about that scene that really really bugs me and it has from the start.
Also – the running mentality. As I wrote earlier I was very very worried about what would happen to the little boy I loved after being so hurt by his father (and at this point, all we knew of him was that he went through the portal. That his father chose POWER over LOVE, and FEAR over BELIEF – what does that remind you of?). I WANTED Bae to stand up for people and fight for them and be heroic where his father didn’t manage it and I was afraid he’d turn into a bitter man who was so broken and yet he seemed sweet still, like he retained some of his Bae-ness even in becoming Neal.
And of course in Manhattan, we don’t even KNOW who he’s running from. He clearly didn’t think Emma or his father would be in NY. How did Tamara go visit him without him running for the hills? Call ahead? He was clearly on the run from someone which makes me wonder if he ever really cleared up his act after Emma went to jail. That was part of their dream after all, and it seemed like he had from his suit and engagement but he was still very much a man on the run and this was after becoming Neal. (We need more backstory on what happened to Bae between the portal and becoming Neal, because that…is not my Bae, and I find it hard to find that lovable. At least the thing that made Rumple the “coward” in town was to GET BACK TO HIS SON. The only time he acted like a coward was not fighting for Milah – which could have left Bae fatherless and probably would have – and trying to get Bae to run away from even THEN Bae didn’t want to run! I miss him!)
Literally within the episode, it is clear why JMO has said that Hook reminds her of Neal. They’re both thieves of a sort (Hook is a pirate so same idea). They worked as a team. They had adventures. They prize souvenirs. Emma actually tells Hook that she can’t take the chance she’s wrong about him. She doesn’t say she thinks he’s lying to her (he BELIEVES she truly can tell). She says she’s too afraid to go through that again.
We literally watched her try to work AS A TEAM and get hung out to dry on her own by someone she genuinely LOVED and TRUSTED and here’s a pirate (which automatically comes with a bad reputation no matter how he got that way which we still don’t know even though he does seem to have a bit of a code) who is making a point of BELIEVING in her and her superpower and has worked together AS A TEAM and even POINTED OUT TO HER that they make a great team.
Tallahassee COMPLETELY compared & contrasted these two relationships to explain WHY Emma was too afraid to trust Hook even though EVERYTHING IN HER was telling her to do so. That he wasn’t lying. That he did want to work with her and her friends to get to SB and he was happy as long as they’d take him. He didn’t even take the compass from her or try to, just chuckled that she was smart enough to keep it in her possession, all the while COMPLIMENTING her left and right on how smart and resourceful and amazing she is, aka SUPPORTING her, even when she changed the plan on him. He stopped to TAKE CARE OF HER.
Everything that was WRONG about how Emma and Neal worked as a team was shown to work RIGHT with Hook and Emma, to the point where literally the ONLY excuse Emma could come up with for NOT TRUSTING HIM was that she was too afraid. And even then she made sure he would be looked after and not killed so she could have a headstart. She left him chained up for a few HOURS at most but she hadn’t promised him a life together like Neal had with her. She outright told him this is why I have to do this. She got NOTHING from Neal.
This is all very important because it parallels to SO many other things as well. Awhile back I think I talked about why Anton sees things differently because of Emma and Hook as well so I’ll keep this brief. He saw her Uncle James and Jack and their “teamwork” which consisted of stealing his stuff, killing his family, and then James saying well that sucks and leaving Jill to die alone. Not the best first impression of humans who had promised him friendship.
Then Emma and Hook come along and work together as a genuine team. He sees this person who is broken and upset and hurt with everything to lose, just trying to get back to her loved ones (having no clue it was her awful uncle who did this to him in the first place), and what does she ask for when he finally decides she must not be such a bad person because she could have killed him and she didn’t? She asks that her partner be taken care of. That Anton just gives her a headstart and promise not to let him die. Emma outright tells Hook “You won’t die” because while she can’t trust herself, she DOES trust Anton not to kill him and to do as he promised.
So Anton has literally seen the horrible couple where the guy left her there to die, and then watched Emma and Hook – a couple with no prior relationship, where Emma still takes a moment to plead not only for her life, but for his and just asks for a headstart rather than just ditching the guy and leaving him to his death. It’s why Emma, for the longest time, was the only human Anton could actually trust and why is that? BECAUSE HE WAS BURNED LIKE THAT BEFORE. WHO do we see get burned and be afraid to trust in that same situation in an earlier episode? Emma, and her actions almost cost her Hook, whereas Anton’s almost lost him his new best buddy Emma but he learned to trust again BECAUSE of her, just like she is BECAUSE of Hook. (I need more Emma/Anton interaction. He is totally the Grumpy to her Snow).
I think we all know how I feel about Manhattan right now but there they paralleled Rumple/Milah to Neal/Emma pretty conclusively even using some of the same language and the fact that a son was involved. To top that off with basically everything Neal said in the bar (I seriously wanted to throw something), and then look at this season where Emma/Hook have been paralleled to Snow/Charming within an episode as well…they add up!
It’s not just random parallels that are similar here and there, extracted from a multitude of episodes (though those are fun too). It’s not the tiny things that sometimes the writers don’t even notice that they did (I cracked up the other day when somebody told Adam thanks for the Lost easter egg and he didn’t know what they were talking about and then said it was an incidental one but yay for finding those, keep sending them cause sometimes we don’t even notice). It’s WITHIN THE SAME EPISODE parallels that are very very important.
It AMAZES me how much I’ve heard lately that people saw nothing remotely of value with the flashbacks of 3×02. Not one mention of any CS interaction or significant point to the backstory. Almost all of the feedback I saw was that the flashbacks were boring or not up to par or didn’t seem to jive with the story or were about stuff we already knew about so why are we seeing it? Seriously? HOW MANY OBVIOUS WAYS did they parallel CS to Snowing? The whole point of that episode was to parallel it. Otherwise the backstory might have seemed a little pointless.
We are not delusional guys. We have seen it and kept saying it over and over again no matter how many people tell us we’re crazy or reading into things too much. We ALL read into things and we seem to read or watch the same things and come up with so many different versions of what it means that it’s crazy. At best ambiguous. But I have faith that there’s just too much there for us to be out of our minds. Too many otherwise pointless moments to show when we know they have to cut so much out as it is.
They have gone so far above and beyond with Hook this season I’m ecstatic. I know last year it was an uphill fight to get some to even like Hook (and I know in particular fans of Belle had reason to hate him, and fans of Rumple too for that matter. I was so upset after the Crocodile because I love Rumple and Hook both and didn’t like them being up against each other AT ALL).
Now, season 3 we’re seeing the real Hook. The side that only Emma has thus far been able to bring out. The side that is saying 300 years and what did it get me? Such a waste. The KILLIAN JONES that we have believed in for about a year now, from that very first climb up the beanstalk. The one who KNEW WHO EMMA WAS DEEP DOWN and wants to know more. The one that can’t keep his eyes off her now. The one whose hope for a 2nd chance at love lies with a certain blonde Savior.
It is beautiful and real and it is sailing. I refuse to believe otherwise at this point. There has been NOTHING they have shown us that eliminates it.
I’ll admit, I have my moments of doubt. I rewatch an episode a couple of times before saying it was a good thing for us. I sometimes wonder if this or that means that it has to be SF and we’re just kidding ourselves. But when I analyze it and breathe, I always come back to being able to put my fears aside because they have set it up so beautifully and I do believe in it. F, T, & P.D. for us right? I BELIEVE.
Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.
The kiss was mentioned at NYCC and Jen volunteered that information herself. And right after it, she even spoke some more about CS, so we have every reason to believe there’s going to be a kiss coming soon. And then we’re supposed to be getting something BIG on Friday.
Ah I see. I hope JMo is not teasing us! 🙂 Having these CS moments makes watching Once even more enjoyable than it already is! I’m like a kid on Christmas Eve before each Sunday.
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Do you have a tumblr Eala? Because it feels like I read the same exact words about that being a Freudian slip.
I’m not on tumblr no, but I DO follow a lot of blogs (including yours and MysteryKats!) to see what they’re saying! And yes I follow the blog where it was mentioned that it was a Freudian slip 😉 A lot of things get mashed together in my head on tumblr haha.
It is beautiful and real and it is sailing. I refuse to believe otherwise at this point. There has been NOTHING they have shown us that eliminates it. I’ll admit, I have my moments of doubt. I rewatch an episode a couple of times before saying it was a good thing for us. I sometimes wonder if this or that means that it has to be SF and we’re just kidding ourselves. But when I analyze it and breathe, I always come back to being able to put my fears aside because they have set it up so beautifully and I do believe in it. F, T, & P.D. for us right? I BELIEVE.
I’ll admit, over the summer I was only 99% sure that CS was the endgame direction, the hiatus got to me a little. But after what they’ve shown us so far, especially over episode 3×01 and 3×02, it just goes to show that Killian is going in the direction that CSers predicted, and I now have ABSOLUTELY no doubt. None. It’s all there, plain as day, IF you want to see it.
They have set it up incredibly. It’s very subtle sometimes, but it’s there. Even the evolution of Emma taking drinks from him has just been amazing.
Ah I see. I hope JMo is not teasing us!
Having these CS moments makes watching Once even more enjoyable than it already is! I’m like a kid on Christmas Eve before each Sunday. 99.9999% sure it’s a CS kiss 😉 Matt is a CS shipper, and he deliberately brought the subject to Killian after JMo mentioned the kiss. And although some people debate it, Eddy is a closet CS shipper, and he was like “I wonder who that is?” wink wink nudge nudge. Lol. So yeah, no doubt.
Keeper of Captain Swan's first kiss
Do you have a tumblr Eala? Because it feels like I read the same exact words about that being a Freudian slip.
I’m not on tumblr no, but I DO follow a lot of blogs (including yours and MysteryKats!) to see what they’re saying! And yes I follow the blog where it was mentioned that it was a Freudian slip
A lot of things get mashed together in my head on tumblr haha.Awww.
Wrote another meta yesterday. Nothing really that new since it’s based on two twitter questions Jen answered on Sunday during the episode.
Awww. Wrote another meta yesterday. Nothing really that new since it’s based on two twitter questions Jen answered on Sunday during the episode.
Yeah I check tumblr blogs probably once or twice a week, normally after each episode ends.
It’s an excellent summary 😉 I agree with everything. I cannot get over how sad it is that she gave up Henry because she was in jail. I just can’t, it literally makes me want to cry.
Anyway, so extremely excited for the EW magazine, hopefully we’ll get the picture sometime tomorrow!
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