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Awesome. When it’s Colin’s, Jen’s and Josh’s favourite episode you know it’s going to be good.
Just saw on tumblr that apparently SF shippers are now saying that Neal didn’t move on from Emma because Tamara was fake! OMG! No. Just no. The CREATERS of the show specifically said that he was genuinely in love with Tamara. HE MOVED ON. END OF STORY. FINITE. It does not matter if she was fake or not. And they’re also apparently saying that Emma “didn’t move on” from Neal, and yes, while there’s still some love left there, it wasn’t because of that that she didn’t move on, it’s because HE BROKE HER. And they seem to be forgetting all about Graham, and Gremma was pretty much canon, Emma was WILLING AND ABLE to move on with him, she wears his shoelace to honour his memory for goodness sake.
I’m sorry, but the line from 3×04, where Snow says that she would never be able to move on if Charming died is yet another way of backing this up. They’re trying to show us how not-Snowing-like Swanfire are IMO.
*literally fuming*
*almost wish CSF thread was open*
*but I don’t belong there because I don’t think SF has ANY merit*
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I read the same thing too. It’s like people forget how much damage Neal did to Emma.
Anyway, I tweeted Adam yesterday because he was getting so much hate over that kiss.
He tweeted me back!
@_obisgirl ha!
— Adam Horowitz (@AdamHorowitzLA) October 18, 2013
I haven’t been here for so long and I was randomly looking for some new spoilers, and THAT came out at first. I was going to post it here straight away 😉 to make you happy! But you were first @Obisgirl.
Ok, I must admit that looks hot! But I kind of think it’s a fan service. Oh I hate triangles! Either way, someone will get hurt and many, many fans will be upset. There is so much drama potential on OUAT, that they didn’t need to do this whole triangle thing. There was also a reason why I left forum so quick, because all of the ‘shipping’.
However, I am back, because I love OUAT so, so much! and yeah this topic popped out first and that MASSIVE spoiler. They’re going crazy in the Promotion Department. ‘Nasty Habits’ hasn’t aired yet lol.
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Actually, this will happen in 3×05 Good Form
Exclusive 'Once Upon a Time' First Look: Hook and Emma [SPOILER!] — PHOTO AND GIF http://t.co/lGOZ6Gj2Ov @OnceABC
— Entertainment Weekly (@EW) October 18, 2013
WE HAVE MORE PICS OF THAT KISS and from different angles too!!!!
Yay! Let me get the smelling salts! I hope Tumblr can handle the uproar!
I am surprised they are showing such spoilery pics.
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You guys, don’t go to spoilertv.com. They did a frame by frame still of each gif, so we can see the progression of the kiss.
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. @KellyandMichael looking forward to seeing you on Monday!!
— Jennifer Morrison (@jenmorrisonlive) October 18, 2013
Wanna bet this kiss will be mentioned in the interview?
Wrote another meta, first on on what this kiss means.
SO EXCITED! And uh…there’s more pictures?!? *flails*
And yes, them all saying how awesome this episode is just leads to that even more!
Can’t believe they’re giving this much to us before 3×04 airs though. I figured it would be more of a shocker hinted at in the promo and THEN stuff like this would come out.
They’re either really pumping up CS or trolling the fans and it better not be the latter. My shipper heart can’t take it.
One of the quotes I saw said that there was always meant to be a real pull for Emma between Hook and Neal setting up this triangle but this year they have majorly hyped CS so I’m going to be very disappointed if it was just to get us to watch. We were rabid enough to do so before they went to the effort of hyping every little thing!
So happy it’s finally happening and I have to believe she’ll make the choice I think she will but I know she’s going to be going through a lot to get to that point.
Whatever she does, it better be for HER own good and not so that Bae or Henry can get their happy endings. I want EVERYONE to be happy but sacrificing your happiness when you are the product of true love? Unacceptable, so that argument does not fly with me.
TOTALLY agree about the thing with Snow. We will see her freak out about the IDEA of losing Charming and that she wouldn’t be able to move on if he died. We’ve watched Regina SPIRAL for 40 YEARS because of Daniel’s death. Hook has spent 300 YEARS trying to avenge Milah’s death. Emma finds out Neal dies, goes off into the jungle and flirts with Hook and KISSES HIM when she takes awhile to kiss ANYONE and they have built it up as way more than a fling so it’s not just her needing comfort even though she needs that too. I just don’t get some people’s attitudes about it being OOC or somehow taking away from her mission. They are CELEBRATING a small victory and it’ll fluster the heck out of her and then they’ll go back but she won’t be able to deny that kiss. Remember, feelings between some of them will be “hard to deny” in the first few eps?? YES!
Seriously though, they’ve made a point of showing just how real this is for Hook. This is definitely not fling material AT ALL. Likewise, Emma has been drawn to him from the beginning. Otherwise she wouldn’t have locked him up the beanstalk. It freaked her out that she felt drawn to him at all and she pushed it aside for the sake of the mission. This time he’s working WITH them and PROVING himself every step of the way and she is APPRECIATING it and showing it! You don’t kiss someone you think might be in love with you if you don’t want anything to do with them unless it’s literally like a peck or here’s a sympathy kiss thanks for doing something amazing and THAT….does not look like either. That is hot, and full of passion and real desire on both their parts.
Love that this comes mere days after Regina made that comment. Something you don’t do when the snarky one thinks you’re dating someone you’re not interested in? (Besides sitting close by a fire and sharing coconuts?) Have a passionate kiss. And this is allll Emma’s doing. *headdesk*
I don’t know where we go from here. I have to believe everything will be ok even though I panic left and right. They are building both options on screen but only hyping one most of the time. I would think if they wanted to balance it out they would do a better job, and so help me PR department if you’ve been hyping the wrong half I will scream. I am prone to panicking but when I look at all the facts I still feel like it’s CS all the way.
Unless of course that one quote bites us: the right for you, wrong for you, and just choose. Cause right now I’m seeing Hook as all kinds of right. *deep breaths* Moving on to happy place.
WONDERLAND STUFF:
THAT QUOTE from the other show conveniently written by these guys! YES YES YES YES YES. That is exactly what I thought of. Now to be fair, on Wonderland I adore Knave and he is the more the Hook-esque character BUT they are not redoing OUAT and just plugging in names and pretending they’re all the same. Alice is not Emma and Cyrus is definitely not Hook OR Neal so it doesn’t really matter in this case. However, Cylice from the promo has given me massive CS feelings because of those quotes.
Cyrus and Alice remind me of SNOWING if anything. After all they’re the main couple we start with on Wonderland and have an “always find you” kind of vibe. Plus they have never been able to move on. Alice thought herself crazy and was willing to forget everything to stop that pain (*cough* Snow). Plus they have all kinds of great quotes about love about them including the one about not being able to move on if you truly love someone. There has to be a reason that H&K reminded us in the recap that Neal truly had moved on and did love Tamara (thank you for that piece of mind, now prove it on the show more blatantly!) AND that their bright shiny new show is re-enforcing that idea of love!
BACK TO CS Officially:
Seriously that bugs me. We haven’t heard him address it at all and I need him to. I want him to tell Emma how badly he screwed up so that she has all the facts. It’s not her job to make him feel better. She’s the one that was wronged, but if he wants to come clean, he should. But I can’t imagine Emma letting him slide on the Tamara thing. And no it most definitely does NOT get swept under the rug because Tamara was fake, are you kidding me?? HE LOVED HER. He didn’t know the real her, he didn’t know what game she was playing, but the facade that she presented is what he fell for and that is ALL on him.
Likewise, Emma did not really know NEAL because he hid so much from her (regardless of self-preservation reasons) but she DID love him. I think a lot of Bae was there, but every conversation about background was a lie or a twist of the truth and full of omissions. They’ll have to redo every conversation as based on the sneak peek for this week she’s starting to realize just how little she knew him.
It is very EASY to love someone when they present their best selves. Neal GENUINELY had feelings for Tamara even though he didn’t know the real her and once he did that all fell apart but he hasn’t dealt with that betrayal or hurt at all – if I saw a guy who chose someone over me, then 2 seconds after she betrayed him was all but I really love you so it’s fine, I’d be majorly concerned. Apparently getting engaged to someone and having them betray you is meaningless and it just makes Emma look like a rebound. Like a safe option since she’s not like Tamara. She deserves so much better than that! He has a ways to go to regain her trust in that way at all. She trusts him with Henry and may be able to forgive him eventually but forgiveness doesn’t have to equal fall in love with again. If that’s the case, then he better win me over along the way too cause so far I ship him with everyone BUT her (and that has nothing to even do with Hook!)
Likewise, Emma had GENUINE feelings for Neal over a decade ago and has a lot of questions about what the heck happened, but she’s realizing that they don’t really know each other. A LOT has changed in the last decade and on top of that, who he really is and who she really is never factored in before at all.
So yes, I will happily argue that Neal loved the version of Tamara that she presented but that doesn’t negate his feelings of love anymore than it negates Emma having loved him in the past. I’d just rather people fall in love and not have to hide any part of themselves and Emma and Hook are baring their souls to each other. They get each other, sometimes even without words, but they DO talk about the hard stuff but he doesn’t push the issue either.
Apparently there is some debate about whether Emma has actually allowed herself to move on (and Neal for that matter). Neal DID move on, we were specifically told that. He may have felt deep down a lot of regret for leaving Emma and not following her, and he has feelings now (how convenient since Tamara’s out of the picture). It didn’t work out, but he did love her. His regret line reminded me of Hook telling Bae that Milah regretted leaving him behind every day. That’s great – but she never did anything about it. Now that Tamara is out of the picture Neal finally is trying? That realllly bugs me.
Likewise EMMA tried to move on. She had a decade of not believing IN HERSELF because of how BROKEN he made her, but she gave up looking for him after 2 years, and tried to move on. She wasn’t blocked with Graham because she was in love with Neal. She still wears Graham’s shoelace on her wrist for crying out loud. Likewise we specifically saw that the ONLY thing blocking her from Hook on the beanstalk WAS HER PAST WITH NEAL IN THE SENSE THAT HE BETRAYED HER AND SHE COULDN’T TRUST HER INSTINCTS. I’m sorry but I thought that was painfully obvious that she was afraid to trust her instincts which were all telling her to trust him but then we saw the last time she worked with someone under similar circumstances and trusted them to have her back, she got hung out to dry. (That’s what it appeared like and felt like TO HER).
Emma is surrounded by and is the product of true love. She WATCHED the David/MM fiasco and looking back on it, she KNOWS that they were supposed to be together and it was their curse that made him seem married and he tried to do the right thing by siding with the wife, but he could not stay away from MM. Their pull was too strong. When did Neal ever choose her like that over Tamara? (It’s admirable he did a better job about picking a side and sticking to it than cursed Charming did. Not arguing that. Just that this is what Emma sees and hears. MM telling her if people are meant to be together they find a way does not equal hiding out in NY and getting engaged and moving on. It doesn’t.)
I’m sure I ticked people off saying I had CS feels over that quote in OUATIW but we have seen time and time again that Emma is battling with HERSELF and HER trust issues and she has attempted to move on. We don’t know what would have happened with Graham if Regina hadn’t killed him. She tried to deny she was interested in him and then had something short with him but it was real and painful for her when he died. She wasn’t treating him like a fling at all. She didn’t WANT to be emotionally invested because that’s how she gets hurt, but she did. She kept some of his stuff too, including STILL WEARING his shoelace. The Emma who enjoys flings? Wouldn’t wear that. (WHY did they cut the line from her to Regina about Graham’s death and can they pretty please bring it into a future ep??)
She’s surrounded by women who are grieving or have the idea they might lose someone they love and they flip out. Yet she’s just lost Neal for a 2nd time and is moving forward with someone she felt a pull to a year ago even though she was afraid to admit that. It’s not too soon, he was ENGAGED like a day ago, and they weren’t together FOR OVER A DECADE. She is completely single and sad as her world is crumbling around her and she’s learning she didn’t know the real guy to begin with and she’s sad for her son losing his father but that doesn’t mean she’s IN love with him now. I can’t wait for Emma to address that portal scene because I really feel like to her, that was her inner 17 year old (that had been so badly betrayed) getting closure.
I love and hate how we all see or hear the same things and read into them entirely differently and all think we’re right. But since H&K specifically told us that Neal had moved on and we are seeing Emma not only with Graham but with Hook trying to move on, I’m inclined to believe it even more than I did last season when I started throwing fits about it. Emma will remember that he was engaged and only chose her when Tamara was no longer an option. It doesn’t matter that she was evil. It doesn’t change the feelings that existed.
Fallout of the kiss and the triangle will be interesting. She definitely needs to talk to Neal a LOT and he does seem like he’s stepping up a bit more and will be helpful in getting Henry back and getting them all out of there but that doesn’t mean that Hook is suddenly going to disappear or is unimportant or that Emma will forget everything he’s done to help her. He hasn’t made her any promises that he hasn’t kept. He didn’t promise her a life and a sense of belonging and to settle down anywhere. In fact it was Emma who offered HIM a chance to be a part of something!
Right now, Emma just wants her son back. To her, he IS her home. He is everything. BOTH guys will have helped her get him back, BOTH guys clearly have feelings for her (even if one hasn’t finished dealing with his ex while the other gave up his revenge, his home, everything *coughs*), but this is Emma Swan. She’s going to take some time to process it and figure stuff out. It’ll take awhile because there is a GENUINE pull between her and Hook (can I just say how much I envy people with tunnel vision that never have to doubt their side because they literally can’t see the other even when it’s right in front of them? Majorly jealous).
I can’t imagine her getting her answers and then seeing Neal in dad mode and deciding he’s her true love after everything he’s put her through. I think she’ll genuinely appreciate seeing him fight for Henry and being a help and she’ll be happy for Henry and she might be slightly pulled at times to remember only the good stuff but falling back into that would be “easy” and “safe” which is what she called Regina’s “relationship” with Graham. She may try for Henry’s sake IF she can get past her anger and resentment and bitterness but I don’t see that happening anytime soon either. Especially depending on what happens after the kiss in 3×05 – I hope Hook has some words about it for sure!
I think she’ll see Hook stepping up just as much (and without having promised her the world and breaking it). I want to see more of Hook interacting with children. I adored his scenes with Bae and I’m hoping we get some good ones for him and Henry too. Not sure when Henry will rejoin the group or what the dynamics will be exactly when Neal rejoins them (based on what his actual history was with Hook when they last saw each other in NL, whether he picks up on anything between Hook and Emma etc) but I want Hook to bond with Henry and for Henry to appreciate his helping save him. I’ll be very upset if Henry acknowledges everybody but him since they’re family and Hook is sort of an outsider. However, Henry DID see Emma ask Hook very publicly to be a part of something and I’m hoping he realizes that Hook has changed for the better and gives him a chance. They haven’t had too much interaction but Hook is at the very least a friend of Emma’s so Henry should be nice to him for Emma’s sake. He didn’t have a problem being nice to Tamara until Emma said something was wrong.
With how much Emma’s got still inside her about Snowing, I don’t see her just leaping into Neal’s arms except maybe for an awkward glad you’re alive hug which he’ll read the wrong way unless he picks up on the awkwardness (or the longing looks between Emma and Hook – that doesn’t just go away even if they will feel guilty about it). He knows he’s got a lot to make up for and he’ll try but I hope his main focus is Henry. We’ll see.
I really want to just enjoy the new gifs and the hype for CS right now but I still panic from time to time. There’s a lot of good stuff for us right now but there’s also a chance that they go the other way too. I’ll be so much more upset about it though if they tease us like that and then take it away. I’ll love the show no matter what and find a way to find something good in it, but literally the only Neal/Emma scenes I’ve enjoyed have been as friends/co-parents. That’s where they excel.
New episode needs to be here now so I have more to dissect. My shipper heart can’t take much more, the fandom is making me crazy again and I’ve barely been back! I want to enjoy the CS stuff without hearing people gagging, is that so much to ask? If they really believe in their ship, then this literally does not matter and if they’re right about their ship, then this may be all we get. So let’s enjoy it because it will fuel the most wonderful of fanfics and videos that we can all focus on should the worst happen.
But in the meantime….I still believe…95% of the time anyway! Please let it all not have been for nothing! There’s no reason to build it up THAT well on both sides to guarantee to hurt someone that you still want to see happy. There isn’t. Every other triangle has been clear (so of course this is the main one I ship in *grumbles*). Even when people have gotten hurt in the other triangles we saw it coming. David ended up alone, Snowing were TL, Phillip/Aurora were TL, Rumple clearly is TL with Belle and had to have been miserable with Milah even though he held on for as long as he could. We knew all of those going in. Emma’s is the only one we’re being shown this way and watching it play out.
Trying to have a little faith. I should be THRILLED right now, not worried! May go hide in tumblr for awhile where I can block out all the other stuff. I don’t have time to be invested 24/7 right now, life is getting busy and things are going to get VERY heated over the next 2 weeks for sure. 🙁 It was remarkably peaceful for the first few eps though!
*slinks off to happy place but leaves cookies first and runs to look at the pretty pictures and enjoy them*
Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.
Thanks Stelio!
Now I feel the need to analyze every Emma kiss we’ve seen. She’s kissing Hook just like Snow does with Charming, grabbing the lapels (ESPECIALLY the one from 3×02! but Snow always kisses him that way, she did that when the curse broke too I think).
Can’t remember if we saw that with anyone else for Emma and if not, it’s definitely significant! (If so, she just…kisses the same way her mom does even though she wasn’t around her growing up!)
Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.
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