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Hi OUAT fg — your English is flawless. your story is similar to mine. It was finale that brought me back to OUAT. I had stopped watching last season and refused to give hook a chance. The marketing department did a bad job with promoting Hook. I though it was ridiculous to have pirate on the show. I like Johnn Depp, but Pirate of the Carribeans is overrated. So to extent I watches I always skipped Hook’s scenes.
after the finale, I went to YouTube and watched all the Hook scenes and fell in love with this character. I think he is wonderfully layered and complex. I also think his relationships with all the other characters are unique and add something new to the characters.
i wish the promo department had done a better job. People complain that Hook has taken over the show, but he hasn’t. the promos might show a lot about Hook, but he doesn’t have a disapportionate amount of screeentime. They’re in Neverland and of the Jr 6 I think he has had the least a amount of screen time.
i am so happy people are giving Hook a chance and that Colin is making the most of his scenes, even if it just handing a coconut to Emma or looking relieved when she survived the drowning. I am also glad that more and more people see the chemistry between hook and Emma.
[adrotate group="5"]Keeper of Hook and Emma's smoldering first kiss, a certain Pirate's sauciness, the Evil Queen's snarkiness, Grumpy's gruffness and a drop of true love to make it all go down smooth.
WELCOME TO THE FORUM OUAT FG
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I STILL HAVEN’T RECOVERED
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@obisgirl, you know I said I didn’t have a tumblr? Well I joined with a dud account a week or so ago just to keep an eye on the cs tag…. and wellllll it’s not really turning out that way. Lol.Keeper of Captain Swan's first kiss
I was just talking to shipmate on tumblr about a realisation I had. There was a quote from Sylvia Plath about first kisses being important to the progression of a relationship or something to that effect. But yeah:
We never saw Swanfire’s first kiss.
All the significant building-up of their romance was just skipped.
That says it all.
We are seeing every single moment of the Captain Swan romance and how it’s affecting each of them on a deep emotional level. We saw Snowing’s and Rumbelle’s first kiss.
I’ve said it so many times, but Captain Swan are endgame. No doubt. If you are doubting, please stop now, you’re causing yourself anxiety and grief that you just don’t have to feel!
Keeper of Captain Swan's first kiss
I was just talking to shipmate on tumblr about a realisation I had. There was a quote from Sylvia Plath about first kisses being important to the progression of a relationship or something to that effect. But yeah: We never saw Swanfire’s first kiss. All the significant building-up of their romance was just skipped. That says it all. I’ve said it so many times, but Captain Swan are endgame. No doubt. If you are doubting, please stop now, you’re causing yourself anxiety and grief that you just don’t have to feel!
Love this! Very good point about not seeing all the build-up and progression of SF, just the highlight reel with a couple of cute kisses thrown in after they were an established couple but nothing like this one! Same goes for Hook/Milah. We saw them spending a little bit of time together, enough to see he was willing to die to protect her and understand his rage and quest for revenge, but we never saw them kiss, not once.
Just finished rewatching 1×02 of OUATIW and in a conversation between Alice & Cyrus (who I swear are basically Snowing but with different personalities), Cyrus talked about moving around all the time from master to master and that they eventually all move on and this was Alice’s response:
I’m afraid I know the feeling. I know what it’s like to feel moved on from.
It gave me so many feelings! Definitely of sadness for her of course but it also immediately brought to mind Emma:
- She grew up thinking her parents didn’t want her
- She was in and out of the foster system including staying with a family until she was 3 and then they had their own kid so she was sent back
- Neal promised her the world and she was left alone in jail, pregnant, still believing in him
- She spent 2 years driving around Tallahassee probably trying to convince herself that she was right about her instincts (which she was) but then she felt like he must have moved on because he wasn’t there for her like he said he would be before the whole jail thing
- Emma actually saw that Neal HAD moved on (A&E have said as much and that’s what we believed watching the show too) and outright told him he found THEIR dream with someone else
So basically Emma, who has said she has felt ALONE her whole life, feels like she’s always been abandoned for something better. Like every time she gets a family or a home, they leave. They “move on” and she is left with nothing other than the back seat of a car. A car (and a necklace) that are constant reminders that you can’t trust anyone because the second you do, you get your heart broken and what’s the point? It’s safer to hide who you are, to wear your armor and flit from fling to fling than to give someone the power over you, to break you into a million pieces.
She started doing that with Graham *sniff* after putting up a tough fight and trying not to care and look what happened, the one time somebody made an effort to put her first.
She resisted from MM’s friendship and from Henry even at first. They won her over, slowly, and helped her become someone who does want something real. She could have had a fling with Graham if she wanted to but she stayed away and then got JEALOUS when she realized he was with Regina and started attacking flowers and arguing heavily against what MM was clearly seeing when she was right and Emma was starting to have feelings.
This is Emma Swan, she wears her armor well but just for an instant Graham got through to her, and Hook is getting to her now. He started to on that beanstalk (which we’ve been over a million times) because she recognized that they DO make a great team, that he WAS working with her, and that he was actually intuitive and inciteful and fun to be around (let’s face it, the Hook persona he hides behind is very flirtatious and at times rather charming), and she couldn’t risk another charming thief worming his way into her heart so she made herself believe that he would have done the same even though he wouldn’t have.
She knew all he wanted was to get to SB. He never tried to take the compass from her, he chuckled and respected her for holding onto it herself. He knew it would be awhile before she trusted him fully, but he really was in a good spot working with her rather than Cora who he obviously didn’t want to be around. We know for a fact that he stole Cora’s magical cuff so even if Cora sent him to get in good with the girls to find out what they were up to, that was NOT part of the plan. Hook wanted out of there and he picked somebody else to work with. Love the “I was hoping it’d be you” thrown in there for good measure too! (And of course the “everything we need is right in front of us”…as he walks, directly in front of her (and she watches, just like he does when she walks in front of him in NL. They always keep their eyes on each other! – And he would “despair” if she didn’t keep an eye on him. FEELS ATTACK FROM BEANSTALK, I apologize!)
This is how Emma acts. She only has room for one major emotion at a time and everything else gets her flustered when it comes at her at once. She didn’t meet him long after finding out that Henry had been right all along, magic exists, she was the savior, her parents were Snow White & Prince Charming, her son’s life was at risk and he was everything to her at this point and she didn’t have time to be doubting her instincts as well.
Now she’s had that closure. She’s gotten a couple of answers about knowing now that Neal never intended for her to go to jail. She’s finally starting to embrace who she really is and what that means and leaning on people for the first time in a long time. The last person she likely trusted before coming to SB was Neal and that ended very badly for her. Henry and her parents are her whole world now and she’s still at odds with them now that it’s not just MM her best friend anymore.
Now Emma is SEEING (which is important for women like Snow and Emma) that Hook is really in this and is being HELPFUL which is what he promised when they first worked together. He is showing her that his “actually, no” really meant something. That he genuinely respects her and cares for her and is taking care of her while helping her find her son, her world. He gets what’s at stake and even though he is obviously hurting in his own way right now, he is choosing to focus ON HER. He is her rock right now.
Her parents are there and important to her but they do not yet know or understand who she really is deep down inside but Hook does. He has always known and it just draws him closer to her. He sees how wonderful she is and wants to know more but doesn’t push it to the same level that Snow does.
They back each other up. They are most definitely “quite the team” and he gets to PRESENT DAY Emma in a way that we haven’t seen much of. Even the Graham parallels are from before she knew magic existed or that she had this whole other life she didn’t know about to embrace and figure out who she is now.
Snow has and probably will continue to interpret things differently because she projects herself onto Emma sometimes. You can tell she doesn’t get why some of this stuff hasn’t just blown over already because she’s made it clear how much it hurt her to give Emma up and how much her TL means to her which happens to be her 1st love (that we know of), and how much they regretted her being apart from them until now, but Emma is not Snow and she did not grow up in a fairy tale. They have many, many similarities and it’s probably why they butt heads a lot, but right now, Emma is dealing with things that Snow can only imagine if that. Regretting one’s actions is one thing but it doesn’t erase the pain caused by those actions.
It’s interesting that the kiss we all predicted is happening just TWO EPISODES after Regina calling Hook Emma’s boyfriend. Not much time has passed at all, maybe a day or two (we’ll have to wait and see). I’m assuming the coconut scene was basically an evening because they’re sitting around the fire resting and we’ve seen them sleep in NL already before that. So between Regina’s comment and the kiss, it might be a couple of days, but it’s still not tons of time between the two. If anything, it may have gotten Emma thinking about it for a little bit and wondering why Regina might think that, but again – she went and sat closely with him at the fire and didn’t seem to mind one bit. Her body language was still guarded and closed off a little, but she was still very close to him. If I’d been accused of being into someone I definitely wasn’t, I would not have been sitting there that night!
I really really love gif of the JR5 when they’re closing in together to look at the map once Emma cracks it. Snow is on the left with Charming reaching out for her as they walk toward the center where the map is. Hook is on the left and Emma gets in close to share the map but she puts her arm behind him and stands extra close to him, almost mirroring Snowing’s actions but subtley, not grabbing for a hand but still reaching out and getting in close to Hook, as close as possible, and then Regina just comes in from the right.
These are not the actions of someone who is put off by or not interested. Yes they have to stand close together to see stuff especially on a tiny map, but she could have stood shoulder to shoulder or over a bit, nobody else had a problem. Emma’s arm is clearly reaching toward his back as she (once again) leans in closely.
She may have her guard up still a bit but I really think it’ll be cracking big time soon at least for a little bit and of course, leading up to 3×05 with THE KISS and I’m wondering what else we’ll get too. It’s Hook-heavy (YAY!) and pre-pirate (YAY!) and we’re supposed to be seeing what makes Killian such a kindred soul with Emma and understand that connection deeper so I love that the kiss is in THIS episode! If they already spoiled the kiss, I can’t wait to see what ELSE is in store in said episode, especially what sets up the kiss, and what happens afterward. All we know right now is that there will be a small victory! Somehow it has to make sense with the present day storyline since they often parallel the past. I wonder if this will be an episode where Hook opens up to Emma more? He reads her like an open book but she’s still learning about him – and apparently liking what she sees and not just in a fling kind of way!
I still find it interesting that JMO is the one promoting it though and not Colin (or is he doing that as well?). To be on the safe side, I’d have kept JMO away from having to deal with pesky triangle questions when there is SO much more going on with her character, and I’d have let Colin go do that episode’s promotion since it’s Hook’s backstory which we haven’t gotten hardly any of so far.
Also interesting to note: that they are doing promotional stuff for it at all. The actors are interviewed for stuff all the time but not usually making talk-show rounds for it. That makes me wonder just HOW IMPORTANT this episode will be in the longrun! Will it make things more obvious that it’s real and happening and setting up something long term? Hope it means that it IS significant! I can’t remember what was airing the other times they’ve sent them out to really promote the show other than premieres and finales (I’m sure it’s happened and falls wherever it makes sense in the schedule) but I’m still surprised they’d send out JMO for THAT episode.
If it were Emma backstory I’d get it, but as far as we know nothing like that has been shot yet and they’re around 3×10 I think. She said recently that any info about her past that we’re learning is from Neal because he’s the only one that has any history with her and that means it’ll likely just be comments like we’ve had already on the show, hinting at backstory but not letting us see it which means they’re not doing any SF flashbacks with that I would think, just comments like he was doing before. Saying things like “You always find what you’re looking for.” – camera pans to Hook tied up in back of van. Same would be true in reverse with Neal info through Emma, like the fact that he always hated mayo. Basically stuff we’ve already dealt with, not huge ground-breaking moments and if they are…then that’s even LESS than a highlight which is already an annoying way to do an epic love story. ]/spoiler]We’re watching CS play out in real time, with almost every interaction they’ve ever shared. We’re literally not living in the past. Thank goodness.
Colin doing promotion would make sense because he could say something like “well Hook clearly fancies her” etc etc but sending JMO to do it? I hope fans are kind because even though she’s been saying the same fairly neutral stuff it could still be dangerous when you KNOW she’ll be asked about this. People are already shaming Emma and calling her names and telling Adam they won’t give the show a 2nd chance until they stop butchering her character by having her [spoiler]kiss a pirate. I sincerely hope none of them are fans of POTC as that would be hugely hypocritical. Sigh. This fandom sometimes. *shakes them* We haven’t even seen it play out yet!
I’m wondering what will happen when they finish filming 3×11. I know they’ll get a break around Thanksgiving/Christmas but I wonder how far into the future they’ll keep filming since we won’t get the 2nd half of the season for awhile (or maybe that’s a good thing cause then they’ll have more time for any CGI? lol)
Either way sooooo excited right now and not letting myself doubt anymore. When I start to I go look up all this wonderful stuff and I refuse to believe that they’re trolling us that hard to get people to watch. Sure the ratings are going up when they’ve been promoting CaptainSwan but if that’s what’s getting it right now and they pull the rug out from under people, many will feel lied to and could stop watching in the future, and I don’t want that to happen.
I LOVE the show, not just my favorite characters or ships and I would devastated if they kept saying here’s CS, here’s CS, and then saying never mind, we fooled you. It’s unnecessary. Completely. The CS fanbase is rabid enough to keep watching and hoping and use whatever little things we can find to hold onto and would have been here watching regardless. No need to make me think it has a legit chance. I know, I know, it builds the triangle better, but the other half of it is cemented and never had to endure people saying it never happened or will never happen and it hasn’t been promoted much at all. I know people had extreme reservations about Hook but they gave him the BELIEVE poster about being a hero and they’ve been showing it to us on screen. Most of us can see it coming (whether everyone wants to or not, some see it but think it temporary). Yes we can see it play out on screen with Hook being built up, but actually hyping it and mentioning it all the time would just be pouring salt in the wound if it doesn’t happen and make it hard to trust anything they say (and the PR dept is already in question for me to begin with!). I’d like to THINK they’re not stupid enough to do that but only time will tell.
But I do believe. The writers know what they’re doing. They’re telling the story they always intended to tell and they aren’t changing it just because the fans are smart and have figured stuff out. CS fans have been calling a lot of things this season so far and I hope that continues I really do. I know they have to say have hope and keep watching til it plays out, and I’m sure they’re hoping we all learn to love whatever the outcome is because they’re sure to tell an amazing story, but given how heated and nasty the fandom has gotten over it, I’m not sure how many would actually look at it objectively and not just see red if their NOtp were to happen. It would probably take me a longgg time to calm down and learn to love that one aspect, but usually even the episodes I don’t care for I can find something good in and it’s not just a shipper show, it’s a wonderful story. I have faith that they’ll stick to their vision and Adam did say that his vision for Hook and Emma’s story is intact. And as we all know, he is our King! (Yay for him seeing your tweet Obisgirl!)
So for now I have to hope my beloved pirate and his swan girl ride off into the sunset…after a lot of obstacles, including their pasts, are dealt with. This is long from over and I would expect nothing less!
Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.
@obisgirl – forgot to say congrats on getting your tweet answered! 😉
@MysteryKat25, agree with everything above! I love how in your posts you seem to have an argument with yourself and always resolve it, lol! It’s interesting to see your thought processes.This triangle is NOT going to be a full-blown one.
IMO, it all goes back to Barrie’s original triangle in his version of PP, a version that we know Eddy loves. The Peter/Wendy/Hook triangle will mirror the Neal/Emma/Killian triangle.
I LOVED THIS BOOK AS A CHILD. I was obsessed. I can’t remember where I read this theory but i’ll try to condense what I remember, and it has really stuck with me. My mind was ABSOLUTELY BLOWN when I read it.
In Barrie’s Neverland, Peter Pan (aka Neal) offers Wendy (aka Emma) a chance for a home, a family and she of course falls in love with him. This plays out basically the same between Emma and Neal in “Tallahassee”. (Also, apparently the city emblem for Tallahassee is a star, and this OF COURSE foreshadows Neverland).
Even though Peter is flirtatious/mischievous/charming he can’t give Wendy what she needs – real, true love, even when they’re pretending to be the parents of the lost boys. This parallels the scene in the convenience store where Emma and Neal are pretending to be a married, expecting couple.
Peter Pan doesn’t want to grow up, is avoiding the responsibility that it brings. Similarly in Tallahassee Neal is running from his responsibilities when he abandons Emma – because he doesn’t want to grow up, is still stuck as his teenage self, running from his father. EDIT: Also, interestingly, when Wendy sees PP years later, she is a mother. Familiar? When Neal sees Emma, years later, she is a mother.
In Barrie’s Neverland Peter and Hook (aka Killian) are referred to as two sides to the same coin. JMo has said that Hook reminds Emma of Neal.
Wendy (Emma) is spellbound by Hook (Killian) who represents adulthood and treats her with respect, which she cannot/does not have with Peter (Neal). Hook shows Wendy what could lie ahead of her should she choose to grow up. Killian shows Emma how he loved someone so devoutly that he would never have left her, and would spend 300 years trying to avenge her death. So basically in terms of OUAT, Killian is showing Emma what she can have with him, and what she can never have with Neal, just like how Hook showed Wendy what she could never have with Peter.
The Barrie triangle was a very subtle one. Even though in reality Wendy didn’t choose to be with Hook romantically (and wasn’t actually in a sexual relationship with Peter), she chose to take what he showed her was possible. He showed her a way to move on with her life, even though she would always have a place for Peter in her heart. And this will also be played out on OUAT, where Emma will choose to forgive Neal and move on from him, to chose Killian Jones.
Honestly, it sounds right to me. But I guess we’ll see.
Keeper of Captain Swan's first kiss
@obisgirl, you know I said I didn’t have a tumblr? Well I joined with a dud account a week or so ago just to keep an eye on the cs tag…. and wellllll it’s not really turning out that way. Lol.
Awesome. I’ll keep an eye out for it.
And as we all know, he is our King! (Yay for him seeing your tweet Obisgirl!)
It’s awesome. I hope he realizes not all Oncers are ungrateful spoiled fans. There is a lot of nasty out there.
Awesome. I’ll keep an eye out for it.
Hehe, here I am: http://perhaps-i-would-swan.tumblr.com/
I just followed you! Might as well do the the whole thing properly haha 🙂
Keeper of Captain Swan's first kiss
PersonallyPersonally I am glad Colin is not promoting this. It would only fuel people who don’t want Hook on the show. They would complain about how he has taken over the show and they’re favorite character is getting the shaft.
Keeper of Hook and Emma's smoldering first kiss, a certain Pirate's sauciness, the Evil Queen's snarkiness, Grumpy's gruffness and a drop of true love to make it all go down smooth.
Captain eala I never read Peter Pan. Your post makes me want to read.
Keeper of Hook and Emma's smoldering first kiss, a certain Pirate's sauciness, the Evil Queen's snarkiness, Grumpy's gruffness and a drop of true love to make it all go down smooth.
Captain Eala – thanks so much! I’m sure I do sound like I argue with myself a bunch haha! I see the potential they’ve set up for both sides and know why so many want the other side too and it makes me panic from time to time about whether I might be wrong. And then I go through all the wonderful stuff we’ve been saying and I feel so much better and more sure of myself and my initial instincts.
LOVE that triangle analysis. Reminds me of my NealFire Pan days *sniff* but it still totally applies since we know that Emma isn’t actually Wendy. I completely agree with the thought behind it. Neal is definitely her young love that promises one kind of world that she grows up and realizes she doesn’t need or want. I think one of the things that people will realize is that as screwed up as their childhoods were, they don’t want to change the past and there’s no going back to the way things were. Neal was given the option to be 14 again (nice sales pitch Rumple, 300 years and you offer MAGIC? WHAT WERE YOU THINKING?!?) and even though his life has sucked overall, he refused it and I don’t think he’d be the only one.
I had completely forgotten that Hook and Neal were referred to as two sides of the same coin! They’re similar *enough* for that to be true, but Hook is definitely the more adult option in the sense of an all-consuming and respectful love that acknowledges it’s time for move forward rather than try to stay young forever, especially in this version. When H&K talked about making PP the villain instead of what we’re used to they said: “To want to be [14] for the rest of your life is dark.” and “What happens to somebody who wants to cling to youth at any cost? For us that is a villain.”
Side note just to clarify: Neal isn’t clinging to youth in wanting to be 14 forever at all (he was 14 for long enough!) but in a sense he is clinging to youth in clinging to that young love they once shared and I fully expect them both to realize at some point that it’s not what it was. That was the idea of it, the memory. I can daydream and remember all day long and then actually run into somebody and wonder what the heck I was thinking of and they’re nothing like I thought they were because too much time had passed. Emma will undoubtably be drawn to the idea of it, like Wendy, only to discover that what suits HER better is being offered in the here and now, by someone who understands and appreciates her and can offer her that more adult relationship that isn’t living in the past but in the present and the future, and it is an all-consuming passionate love, not a teenage dream of what love is or can be. It’s not just saying ILY, it’s showing it (among many other things).
I love that you brought in the pretend mother vs mother thing! It fits so well.
Hook is absolutely showing her that a different kind of love is possible and that when he loves, he loves deeply and loyally. It’s taken him so long to give up everything including the desire to avenge (which he almost gave up once before early on too – it takes something major to fill the void that is left in that situation which is why Emma = major for him). He’s showing her respect and admiration and compliments her. All good things.
I know many are offended by his innuendos (I always found him amusing and eyeroll worthy at times like Emma and Snow) but it has always been clear to me that it’s a facade. We get real human moments with him and even though many always seem to doubt whatever he says, I can’t wait for it to be proven. We’ve already had glimpses of that with his comments about the lost boys on the beanstalk and I expect us to get lots more in 3×05 in his backstory to show that he wasn’t lying to Bae on the ship about his past, and that he is a good guy – which he has been showing us every since he came back at the end of last season. Like he told Emma when she said she thought he couldn’t care about anyone but himself “Maybe I just needed reminding that I could” and that was after showing us the last time he let himself care which was about someone that broke him, the same someone that broke Emma. They have more common bonds than they realize in both having cared for him. (And by broke, I mean Hook was SO close to giving it all up and everything was fine for a time – and apparently quite awhile though we don’t know how long) and then Bae sent him over the edge. Just as Emma was floundering for awhile – she was an orphan with issues long before she met Neal – and then he broke her completely and like Hook, she shut down. She became someone who didn’t mind a fling but anything serious, she was out of there. Same with Hook and his flirting but underneath it all being loyal to the memory of Milah. The way he shut down when Emma noticed his tattoo and asked about it *sniff* They are broken but they will mend each other and make each other whole someday! (And possibly Emma could reattach his hand if he wanted her to, thus literally and figuratively – and symbolically – restoring Killian).
I’ve always seen Hook as the facade. In fact in his first appearance, even though he was still *technically* Killian Jones, I was immediately struck with a Dread Pirate Roberts vibe. Can’t wait til we see more of Killian in the past and we’re definitely seeing hints of him now. Personally I’d of course love it if he had any farm-type past as it would be a nice parallel to Charming as well as fulil the whole Westley thing for me but I could see him being a blacksmith as well (or his father was) which is why it came to mind to use when the girls found him. (Plus it would have total Willabeth undertones from POTC which just gives me FEELS!) Hook’s becoming more and more vulnerable to Emma! My Killian heartstrings will be pulled so much until this triangle is over! (And Colin is amazing at showing emotion. You can FEEL how much it means to him in those pictures!)
As for the promotion of that episode, I could see where you’re coming from sweetgrass. I still think if they were going to have anyone promote it though it would make more sense for him and it would be the safer option because it does have to deal with huge stuff for his character that we haven’t gotten to see yet. Everyone else we have a considerable amount of background info on. It seems odd they’d have JMO, the one at the center of the triangle, promoting an ep devoted to not only Hook’s backstory, but has been specifically mentioned that we will be learning just why he and Emma are such kindred spirits if I remember correctly. Especially since she’s bound to be asked about the kiss so it could come across as if she’s promoting CaptainSwan in a way which won’t sit well even though EVERYONE wants JMO quotes so we can latch on and believe in what she says even though she’ll say the same thing as always about having hope and thinking Neal is dead etc etc. We won’t get anything really until Neal is back in the picture and then she can focus more on talking about how Emma feels about the past. She’s hinted at it but until we see him back, we can’t know for sure).
So it could easily come across as her promoting one side of the triangle, whereas Colin would just be promoting the [spoiler]much-needed backstory and finally being able to talk about what Hook’s life has really been like and how exciting it is to finally learn about it.
I think that teases like that from the men in the triangle come across better because we know they’re just in their characters headspace and they would obviously choose their character cause that’s the one they identify with the best (and they HAVE to and it helps to not judge your own character too harshly. Even villains must be played as if they are the heroes of the story). So I totally get whey people might think it odd that Colin gets to do more promotion but I really hate that people seem to think he’s “taking over the show” – he’s not.
He was ALWAYS intended to be there (couldn’t get the rights in S1), and they’re IN NEVERLAND. I’m sorry but people who do not think Hook is remotely important in a Neverland story baffle me. On top of that he’s part of the love triangle (that we all want to be over for our own sanity) but since he’s battling it out for the lead character’s love, we’ve seen him more than we used to maybe but I don’t consider him to be taking over. (Perhaps that’s because we had to wait agesss last season to see him again – boo to broken legs – but even now, he’s around but not usually the primary focus).
There’s so much more to the show than this character or that one so it saddens me that anybody would think that but I’m sure you’re right and many wouldn’t understand him getting to do promotion even if it is the FIRST time we’re finally getting pre-pirate backstory on him *headdesk*. This fandom, I swear sometimes *shakes them*
This season is focusing and going DEEP DOWN EMOTIONALLY on all the characters and we have already in the first 3 episodes had some great, deep moments between characters that have nothing to do with Hook. (Personally of course I love the Hook moments, especially this season, but it hasn’t taken away from Emma and Snow, or Snowing, or Regina, and we’re about to get a LOT of Rumple and Neal. Emma is moving through the jungle with a small group of people and talking to EVERYONE. Whatever it takes to get her son back. It makes sense to dive into stuff on all the people in the story arc of this Neverland journey.
Already this season I’m seeing more and more people torn and others that weren’t shippers hopping over to CaptainSwan so I hope, especially with 3×05 and the kiss!!! that more at least see it as a viable option and that maybe more is there than they were willing to credit before. I’ve said it before but this was NOT set up as a fling like many predicted. Emma isn’t just getting him out of her system and should she pick Neal, Hook will be JUST AS DEVASTATED as Neal would be if it were reversed. I want everyone to be happy as do many people, but I am definitely seeing more people at least open to CaptainSwan after seeing this season so far (and we’re only 3 episodes in!).
Sometimes people don’t even ship (I envy their sanity) until it is blatantly obvious that it is really happening so I bet the kiss in 3×05 – I will never get tired of saying that! may bring in some reluctant shippers who were waiting for it to be a canon option. Can’t wait to see what my friend who didn’t like Hook last season has to say about that ep! Especially with more context around that scene and the fact that it’s a Hook-centric episode where he should come off in a much better light. I really want people to trust him after this! It bugs me that he can’t have a genuine moment about anything without people doubting him. He KNOWS Emma has a thing with lies and he BELIEVES it. This can only be good for us if people see he is genuine and I fully believe that Desperate Souls and The Stable Boy helped Rumple & Regina immensely, it’s about time we got something real on Hook!
Side note: I totally get the not believing yet thing because we’re hearing not seeing and I don’t trust hardly anybody when that happens (see my Cora / Lancelot issues *whispers he’s gotta be alive*). But with Hook, everything in him changes when Emma gets to him with certain questions. He talks about things differently, there is real emotion on his face, in his voice, and again, he believes in her superpower. I’ve just always felt there was way more under it all and I can’t wait to be proven right about that. Especially since his poster says “Believe a pirate can be a hero” and Emma singled him out in her speech, refusing to lump him in with either side but still saying he has skills that are useful.
LOVE LOVE LOVE CaptainSwan and we are getting only good things right now (which worries me a little yes, because I don’t want them to give us this for awhile and then switch it up and find out Emma’s true endgame at the last second, already lived through that with another show and don’t care to do it again. That being said…they’ve said repeatedly that with most of these couples, it’s not about will they get together, it’s how. It’s throwing obstacles in their way like with Snowing and RumBelle. We know they’re meant to be and they’re TL. The story is in seeing how they fight to stay together. And Captain Hook is a man who will fight, even if that fighting means letting Emma know he’s there and he supports her and is definitely in this thing 100% but giving her space to figure out what she needs to and just being jealous off to the side for a bit but understanding. Think Han Solo or Will Turner. Plus Jealous!Killian and Emotional!Killian will be wonderful and it will have a huge payoff for us when she does choose him! (I just hope they don’t drag it out too long. I don’t think ANY shipper heart can take much more after last season and that was before we saw how much Hook had reformed after making the right decision!)
Can’t wait for the promo tomorrow night! Almost as excited for that as I am for the episode itself tomorrow which rarely happens (and I love the SHOW and not just for shipper stuff!). There should be tons of great stuff to dissect in tomorrow’s too (though not sure what if any CS we’ll get. Probably something small to keep building it so that 3×05 doesn’t shock too many people. Something sweet and subtle would be nice even if we’re mostly focusing on Rumple/NealFire which is important too. They can’t just totally ignore CS if they’re trying to build it up for next week! and then we get THE PROMO!
THE episode still seems forever away but we survived the summer on faith and belief in our pirate the hero so we can get through this week without fainting…I hope. *stares at pictures*
Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.
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