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The Captain Swan thread!

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  • October 20, 2013 at 4:05 pm #217390
    MysteryKat25
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    Obisgirl – can’t believe you have to wait til Thursday, I’d go crazy! Will you get to watch the next week’s on time or have to wait for that too? Also – link to the CS clips? I’d love to watch. 😀

    So many random thoughts my but brain is fried and it’s Once Day! so I need to keep something for tonight. Instead I will leave you with a couple of wonderful ideas/links

    1) Somebody made a gifset of the parallels for Manhattan of Rumple/Milah and Neal/Emma. Everything I’ve been trying to say but shorter & with gifs! The fact that the parallels (the first 3 things on that gifset anyway) are within the same episode and using the same type of language was done FOR A REASON. (Also note: Neal told Emma that he was trying to help her get home – as in, not with him, as in home: with her parents was better than the home that he once promised her so he stayed away – that and his dad but whole other issue. To me, this negates their dream of Tallahassee being home because that dream they worked on together and instead, HE CHOSE which home she would go to and he DID NOT CHOOSE HIS. I need EMMA to choose her life, she’s been manipulated enough as she found out in this episode and is finding out more with the PP situation. But in this particular instance, Neal was NOT naming himself as home, and he took the decision away from her once again.)

    http://holdinghaldavidstarlight.tumblr.com/post/64592167330/whimsylea-honestly-of-all-the-various

    2) Han and Leia. We’ve always known that OUAT is basically a mash-up fanfiction for Eddy & Adam and it’s beautiful! So what did they say a few weeks ago about Hook and his journey? He “Han Solo’d back” at the end of the season. Perfect description. Then just a couple days ago, at a short interview found here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4aCaRub9Fc&feature=youtu.be, Eddy had a couple of interesting things to say about Star Wars being the greatest fairy tale of all time in their minds  (followed of course by PETER PAN which we know they love) but not to expect actual star wars on the show (but they did do a nod with Greg’s ringtone) but his FIRST REACTION to the Star Wars question was to point to JMO and say “Well we have our Princess Leia right here” *Eddy grin*

    Perfect gifset can be found here: http://captainswan4life.tumblr.com/post/64603548859/well-weve-already-got-our-princess-leia-right

    So to recap:

    • Favorite “fairy tale” of all time for Eddy & Adam? STAR WARS
    • Emma has been called “our Princess Leia“
    • Hook has been described as “He Han Solo’d back“
    • 2nd favorite fairy tale for Eddy & Adam? PETER PAN
    • Who’s one of Emma’s suitors that has a good chance of being the one that they always wanted but couldn’t get the rights to at the beginning of the show? CAPTAIN HOOK

    Keep in mind: writers, actors, etc tend to use the same kind of language to describe things over and over again. It’s a sales pitch of sorts, typically neutral or alluding to something recognizable, not giving tons of info but still, it’s how they describe it to themselves or are pitched it to from someone higher up that they feel it’s a safe, comfortable way to describe it because that’s what they’re used to. So it interests me greatly that Eddy has, within 3 weeks or so, made Star Wars references and described both of them now as part of the romantic couple of those movies! (Ironically the background for Adam’s twitter right now is from the prequels which we know he prefers the originals – somebody has Star Wars on the brain either way though!).

    Only a few more hours to go until 3×04! Can’t wait to see what the context is for Rumple & Neal’s journies, what they’re up to, what conversations they have, etc. I want father/son bonding on a joint mission to not get them killed and to save Henry. I think some very interesting conversations could come up as well as history that will show JUST HOW ORCHESTRATED this has all been, especially if PP really did plot the whole thing to keep Bae captive until the right time so that he would meet Emma for “something good” to come out of it aka: Henry. What if Bae was meant to be with someone else and got steered in the wrong direction because PP needed Henry? BOTH their lives have been manipulated in so many ways (and sometimes by one of them) so it stands to reason that if somebody IS pulling the strings, perhaps Neal will come around to the idea that this wasn’t the life he was supposed to have anymore than she thinks it is for her.

    In just under 5 hours the promo for 3×05 will be out! SERIOUSLY CANNOT WAIT. I need Hook backstory. I need to see if they promo THE KISS. I need to see glimpses of Killian and his real story. I LOVE almost every episode we’re given and try not to look too far ahead because I want to see the whole story play out but I have never been this excited for an episode and it’s not JUST THE KISS but that definitely does NOT hurt. Can’t wait to see JMO’s interviews this week too!

    AH so much exciting stuff! Not sure how I’m going to sleep this week much less get anything productive done but we’ll see! This is our time (or at least the beginning of it!) so let’s enjoy what we have and see where it goes!

    So this JUST happened so I’ll add it but context: Christine Boylan wrote Tallahassee as well as Good Form, 3×05! and then 3×09 Save Henry but she just found out that we know what to expect in 3×05 and had the following to say on twitter:

    https://twitter.com/KitMoxie/statuses/392014379085869057

    Love how enthusiastic she’s always been about Hook and it’s nice seeing #YouShouldBeExcited but what I realllly love about it is she NOT address it to CaptainSwan fans. She addressed it to OUAT fans. Most outlets are saying if you’re into CS you’ll love this! Not…hey fans of the show in general, “you should be excited” about THIS development. LOVE IT!

    Something to keep in mind: Tallahassee was an EMMA episode with forward progress (albeit slight but definitely a foundation) for CaptainSwan. Now we’re getting a HOOK episode with a CaptainSwan kiss!

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    Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.

    October 20, 2013 at 6:39 pm #217426
    obisgirl
    Participant

    I will be writing a new CS fanfic tonight.

    “@souffIegirI: @leearenberg what do you think about hook and emma's kiss?” So hot

    — lee arenberg (@leearenberg) October 20, 2013

    October 20, 2013 at 10:42 pm #217519
    MysteryKat25
    Participant

    I have a lot of feelings, like…a lot a lot. It was a great episode show-wise and I love the SHOW first and foremost but not so much for us. I think most of us were already looking more forward to the next ep anyways so we knew that going in. We really need to see all the episodes together for full context of everything and we’re still getting snippets for now. Things have not played out yet. I personally have so many conflicting headcanons right now on a variety of things I can’t see straight but for now, here’s my thoughts:  (trying to keep everything under spoilers as much as possible!)

    They are ratcheting up the triangle. Emma’s emotions are totally legit and plausible. We have said all along that she still loves him but that doesn’t mean that she is IN love with him. They are both idealizing the past and it at least *seems* like Neal is *likely* to want to pick up where they left off which is exactly what he’s reacting to with his father right now, as well as what Emma is already reacting to against Snow. Saying “I’m sorry” and “I always loved you” doesn’t quite cut it when there is SO much pain. I’m still curious as to what Neal’s ultimate arc this season will be. At times he’s young Bae again and at others it goes back to “like father, like son” which happens with Neal and Henry a bunch too. They’re in NL though so he has to confront being Bae just as much as anyone else in confronting who they are too.

    Showing THAT promo after this ep made things so much better though. It’s going to be a long week so we’ll have to stay tough and remember: There’s always hope!

    Brief thoughts on promo which is being discussed elsewhere as well (and was the highlight of my night):

    • Hook is in a uniform and has a ponytail
    • Hook was on a ship that flies! Was NOT expecting that unless it was to get out of NL but this is clearly in the past and with a fellow officer!
    • Snow toasts “To Hook”! YAY. She likes him more!
    • Charming in protective dad mode. Yay for protective Charming even though I’m really loving the bromance right now. That said, I also want to see Emma stand up for Hook, since SHE was the one who kissed HIM.
    • THE KISS. We’ve been waiting ages for it and knew it existed days ago but now we got to see more than just gifs! LOVE the look of determination on her face. I know after tonight’s episode it will be hard for people to see it being plausible she may move on especially now but let’s keep a couple of things in mind: she’s acknowledged that she lost Neal a long time ago; she’s ANGRY that he loved her that whole time and didn’t tell her and let her think she was unloved; she met Hook BEFORE Neal came back into her life which is when confusion really started to set in, before it was just her walls and trust issues; Hook is there for her NOW and has been proving himself; she doesn’t want to waste any more time after ranting about wasted time. It is highly likely that she says “You know what, I don’t want to live through that again. When you care about somebody you show it and this is my 2nd chance at something real” or is at least thinking something along those lines. This is the first time we’ll see ANYBODY kiss Hook ever; we never even saw it with Milah, and this is in a huge Hook ep where he apparently does something really great and TRULY HELPFUL since even Snow is toasting to him. It’ll be rough emotionally for everyone, especially since Snowing will NOT understand based on what Emma said in this episode which is only a short time before the kiss happens (relatively speaking) but I want Emma to give us some more of her inner dialogue and thinking. She has to know how hurt Hook would be if she were just using him and that did not look like a comfort kiss. That looked like a calculated “I’m taking a chance and going after what I want instead of wasting more time because finding out later about it sucks and if you feel it you should do something about it” kiss. And man is it passionate looking!

    Basically I am looking majorly forward to figuring out Hook’s backstory and how that all ties in with what’s going on in present day. We know that this episode is supposed to help explain to us why he and Emma are such kindred spirits and it clearly leads to a moment of passion that will likely be very hard for Emma to forget and walk away from, especially after everything he’s done for her recently, including above all BE THERE and not promise her the world and walk away.

    Emotions will run high for quite some time, especially once Neal rejoins the group I’m sure. Again this week I feel like conversations were had that really need to happen between Emma and Neal but I feel like once they do get some of these things addressed it will be ok. Neal knows what it feels like to have major trust issues with someone and there’s a difference between loving them/not wanting them to die, and truly trusting. To be IN love with them, trusting is rather important in the grand scheme of things. We’ve seen time and time again that Neal refuses to trust Rumple 100% because he’s just been burned TOO BADLY and no amount of “I’m sorry” is going to fix that.

    But we also saw him not want Rumple to die when it was a very real possibility before – now is a tiny bit questionable since he seems intent on leaving Rumple in NL as well as left him paralyzed in the jungle all by himself), but he was able to say “I’m still angry” without it stopping him from loving Rumple and not wanting him to die when he was dealing with the concentrated dreamshade. They’re very similar situations between that and his relationship with Emma as far as trust vs loving someone goes, but I think ultimately he may understand and acknowledge that he played a huge part in making these things happen. Especially since he made choices FOR her that affected her life, when we just saw him blame Rumple for the same things. Different type of relationship for sure, but it’s still a trust fully/want around in your life all the time vs don’t trust and not have a “real” relationship with but still not wanting to see them die.

    He has that relationship with Rumple, and I think Emma has that relationship with Neal except that while she can’t trust him IN A RELATIONSHIP WITH HER, I think she DOES trust him to take care of Henry. After all when Regina was a threat she was willing to send him back to NY with Neal. I fully expect him to be able to be a father and in their lives, but I still see Emma as remembering her past and how painful it was back then, and not yet embracing who she is now and what that means for her lovelife which is why things are about to get verrrry interesting.

    This is a season about embracing who you really are, addressing the past, and moving forward. Emma is already FEELING like the little orphan girl she once was instead of the awesome, brave, independent woman she is now, but she is tapping into that and embracing it ALL as who she is. Every character will likely have to face parts of their past before it’s said and done with. We saw tonight Neal refusing to answer to Baelfire. He doesn’t want to deal with that pain and hurt and be that kid again but it’s still affecting who he is now , just like Emma may FEEL like she did the last time she saw him before her stint in jail and it makes total sense that those feelings would wash back up on her, but she’s not that girl anymore. It’ll just take her a little while to see that.

    Here is an excellent break-down of a positive CS version of her speech tonight  that actually makes a LOT of sense going forward into next week. http://hooks-and-hero-ness.tumblr.com/post/64636336694/emmas-speech-a-breakdown

    THE KISS – We’re going to have to endure people saying it doesn’t matter and she’s lonely, missing Neal, somehow equate still loving him to still being IN love with him, treating Hook HORRIBLY since she KNOWS he’s into her and knows how much the memory of Milah means to him, and I refuse to believe that Emma of all people is treating Hook like a rebound or using him for comfort etc etc this week, but I REALLY love that analysis I linked to. Like with everything on this show, there are multiple ways to view it and until we’re given proof like with RegalHood, I’m not giving up yet – especially since there’s THE KISS NEXT WEEK!

    Emma made a point of saying she lost Neal a long time ago and they had her say that for a reason. This isn’t new for her. She lost him ages ago, then when she saw him again it flustered her but he was engaged and she got a tiny tiny bit of closure even though she’s clearly still angry and has every right to be that she never got to show him how much it hurt her. There are people that come to mind I would love to yell at from the past and make them understand that, and it would certainly look like I still had feelings for them but it wouldn’t be those kinds of feelings. It would, however, be closure and THAT is what Emma needed most of it. She’ll get it, eventually, when she DOES get to address all of this stuff with him, but for now, it is a tiny bit and she’s letting her walls down a little and admitting she felt that way and that’s a start for emotional growth for her to MOVE ON with Hook which is a good thing.

    Like I said, they’re ratcheting up the triangle and showing us more insight into Emma’s line of thinking so that it makes actual sense for her to be conflicted when both men are in her life and wanting her. They just…keep doing it in a way that gives both side massive hope which is frustrating. I still believe though, even after tonight, that next week is the start of something beautiful actually coming true and that the past, as always, is Emma’s biggest obstacle between herself and her loved ones (and most especially her lovelife with a certain captain). 😉

    VIVA LA CAPTAINSWAN

    *cookies* (It’s gonna be a long week – already was but now doubly so after this ep and THAT promo so *extra cookies* for good measure)

    Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.

    October 21, 2013 at 12:26 am #217591
    swanning-off
    Participant

    Look, I really could not care less about which ship is OTP, but I must admit I want to see some CaptainSwannage. And the promo did have this reaction with me:

    https://www.tumblr.com/captainswan4life/64603690331

     

    October 21, 2013 at 1:23 am #217619
    Captain Eala
    Participant

    @MysteryKat – agree with everything!!!! 🙂


    @swanning-off
    – couldn’t agree more! Lol

    WOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOW. What a fantastic episode!!!!!!!!!!!!

    I’ve just done my second rewatch and several things have occurred to me.

    First off my thoughts on Neal. I completely recant my thoughts on the Neal being a coward thing with regards to Emma for 3×04 because holy heck he impressed me this week!!!!!! He really did.

    HOWEVER I cannot help but feel that he is definitely going dark. Doing what needs to be done. Tricking Rumple and PP with magic, prepared to do whatever he needs to, with the best intentions to save his family. SERIOUS Rumple parallel. Also, HUGELY interesting, that Neal wouldn’t give Rumple a “second” chance, even though he desperately wants one with Emma. AND he walked away with Henry and reuniting the Stilskins and didn’t give Rumple a choice. Interesting wouldn’t you say, ESPECIALLY due to the Bae flashback with Bae wanting to be asked to come home. He wanted the choice.

    Also VERY interested to find out the backstory to Bae and PP, because it seems as though present day Neal is using a villains techniques (and has taught them to Emma). But yeah, I really see it again as a giant flag of doom for him going down the dark path. He’s using techniques to get his way taught to him by the worst villain ever.

    Also, it’s interesting to see Neal deny so many times that he is Baelfire. It’s like he wants to wash Baelfire away, even though he was the best version of him. Probably his character arc this season will be to go back to Baelfire, his (hopefully) true self.

    I don’t want Neal to go dark, I would prefer him to have some real growth as a character and not repeat his fathers mistakes. But I don’t know. There’s been a lot of foreshadowing IMO.

    Now, on to Emma and Killian:

    Can I just say FINALLY. FINALLY we have an outpouring of her grief. She said everything we had already guessed about her – that Neal had broke her and that she had spent the last decade thinking she was unlovable. And then when she finally found out that she WAS loved by Neal that it was “too late” (remember this “too late” theme that has been in every episode so far this season?). And it’s obvious that she’s FURIOUS about it, because he gave her absolutely no closure and she has had to wall off that hurt for so long to stop it from completely destroying her and she’s realising her being broken was because of the choice Neal made. She’s finally starting coming to terms with it, in NL where you confront your true self, and that’s what she needs to do in order to move on.  And it’s so interesting, because despite the fact that she’s so angry and pissed at Neal and that she still loves him, it doesn’t stop her from kissing Killian in a kiss hotter than ANY kiss we’ve seen between Han and Leia.

    Thought it was very interesting that the writers had Killian refer to Neal as Emma’s “partner in crime”. i.e. they don’t bring out the best in each other.

    We knew that this week was going to be less CS due to the Rumple and Neal thing, and i’m very happy with what we got. Emma has made huge strides this week. And it is those strides that will allow her to move on and choose Killian. I’m not worried at all that she said she loved Neal. Not one whit. We knew she did – he was her first love and they’ll always have a place with you. And it’s clear that Emma won’t easily forgive Neal for everything he did to her, never mind have a romantic relationship with him again. But yeah. Woo! Viva la Captain Swan.

    Thoughts on the promo:

    So yes i’m still babbling a bit about the promo (eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee) so excuse me if my thoughts aren’t coherent. LOVE Killians dorky hair lololol! Hilarious. So anyway next week we’re going to learn why Emma and Killian have such a strong connection, one that was sparked in 2×05 and in Tallahassee with Emma’s backstory and that WILL COME FULL CIRCLE in the form of a kiss with Killian’s backstory in 3×05. This was done deliberately guys. Deliberately.

    Also loved the fact that Charming clearly sees Killian as a threat. It’s such a contrast to last season where Charming wasn’t really protective of Emma around Neal, despite knowing that he had severely hurt her at one stage, and didn’t once confront him directly, trusting that Emma could handle him. Charming and Killian are very much alike – the fact that he is confronting Killian about his daughter SPEAKS VOLUMES to me.

    On that note it’ll be so interesting to see what Killian says in response to Charming. Because it’ll be significant moving forward. SIGNIFICANT. Killian won’t back down. And it’ll make for an interesting parallel with a person who left Emma alone because he was told to by a third party *winkwink*

    BUT YES THE KISS I CAN’T EVEN DEAL WITH IT THEY’RE REALLY GOING AT IT WITH EACH OTHER AND WALLS ARE DOWN AND EMMA JUST GOES FOR IT AND IT’S SO REAL AND IF YOU DON’T THINK IT’S SIGNIFICANT I CAN’T HELP YOU BECAUSE I AM DYING

    Now i’m going back to fanning myself because HOLY MOLY that kiss is hot.

     

    EDIT: Forgot to mention, I think it’s fairly obvious by now that as we speculated Pan ALLOWED Neal to leave NL. And from that we can surmise that he manipulated Emma and Neal into being together. (whispers: not True Love)

    EDIT NO.2: Forgot to talk about the scene between Killian and Charming, and about how heartbroken Killian was remembering that he never got to say goodbye to Milah or tell her that he loved her, and it’s KILLING him that Charming won’t tell his family *sobs*

    Keeper of Captain Swan's first kiss

    October 21, 2013 at 2:33 am #217627
    Captain Eala
    Participant

    LOLOLOL! THE DOCTOR AND GOOD FORM parallel!!!!!!! Just saw this on tumblr:

    2×05: “You’ve bested me. I can count the amount of people who’ve done that on one hand.”

    “Is that supposed to be funny?”

    3×05: Need a hand love?

    Is that supposed to be a joke?

     

    /wheezing here

    /we are canon

    /our otp is perfect in every way

     

    Keeper of Captain Swan's first kiss

    October 21, 2013 at 3:01 am #217628
    MysteryKat25
    Participant

    @CaptainEala

    Agree completely!

    I’m waiting to see how things play out because I agree, I think it *may* have been foreshadowed that Neal *could* go dark. I had a lot of “like father, like son” vibes in this episode. It was interesting to see him banish the Baelfire thing as well because I agree, that is the BEST part of him! That’s the part I come back to and say I don’t want to see you hurt but…” and he’s banishing that away! But I think his arc is like the others, he’ll need to embrace who he is and confront the past and hopefully he won’t slide too far down if he does at all. I’m afraid it could happen, but I’m giving him the benefit of the doubt for now. I want him to be a good father for Henry if nothing else.

    That said, I was a little struck by how much more of young Bae SHOULD have learned from HIS past and not project that on to others, especially since he himself did not like having choices taken away from him. This is a HUGE thing because we saw him tell Rumple that he WOULD have gone home with him if he had just asked if that’s what he wanted. All he wanted was to be given CHOICES and he would choose family every time. It was HEARTBREAKING. But…then I remember all the times that he didn’t give Emma a choice. He tried to TELL HER he was leaving her because it was better for her if he went alone. SHE had to say no, here’s what we do so that we can stay together. He agreed, she stuck her neck out, and she was the one that ended up in jail. Those were all because of HIS choices. He made it not once but twice for her (and the first one she outright rejected because it meant them being apart and he was TOUCHED by that and then August showing up made him make a SECOND choice for her and this time it happened.

    I feel like time and time again we see Neal being hypocritical which I think is one of the main things that bugged me and you pointed out one inparticular that I was thinking of: that he is focused on his 2nd chance with Emma after doing so many hurtful things that would surely have broken trust on a massive scale, but then couldn’t give the same to Rumple. I only hope that he continues to realize that Emma may not take him back and be understanding of it since he’s doing the same thing himself.

    The trust was broken on completely different levels but it was broken nonetheless. I want Neal and Rumple to eventually patch things up but I think it can only happen to a point. It’ll always be the elephant in the room. Neal doesn’t want bad things to happen to Rumple but he just can’t risk believing him today when he could switch at any moment because it suits him. Neal is absolutely right that right now, when he thinks he has to die to save Henry, he’ll do it but that when they get home and if the choice comes to Henry or Belle, he could choose Belle. Ideally no such choices would have to be made, but all Neal has ever seen is a man who refuses to give up his power for his family and it’s happened over and over again.

    Darn right Emma has a lot of anger and she’s entitled to! This episode was great for her growth as a person because it showed us that she DOES have emotions about what has happened and they’ve been pent up for some time now. She got a tiny bit of closure (not nearly enough) when Neal fell through the portal but she at least learned that she could trust HERSELF since that’s really what he broke all those years ago, and that she IS lovable. Those are massively important things but it doesn’t erase the pain caused by growing up feeling that way, especially when you find out your entire life is a lie and was manipulated by everybody else. Emma likes to make CHOICES, not listen to ORDERS.

    I really think that PP has manipulated this entire thing and that will NOT sit well with either Neal or Emma. Neal touched on it a bit in Manhattan saying maybe it was supposed to happen for a reason and that something good came out of it, but certainly wasn’t acting like they were meant to be forever and life didn’t work out that way. He even told her then that HE made the choice to let her go so that she could go home (which wasn’t with him). He didn’t consult her on it and that didn’t sit well with her and neither did the idea that somebody out there was manipulating things.

    If PP is pulling the strings and needed Baelfire to meet Emma so that Henry would exist, what if they were meant to be with someone else and weren’t really given the option? Who knows just how much detail went into this plan. Neal would have been in our world for awhile before he met Emma but what if their actual meeting was influenced by something or someone under the orders of PP and they just didn’t know? What if someone influenced the choices they made so that they’d end up in the right place at the right time? Think about it: had the shadow not interfered and be intent on getting Bae eventually – since we saw PP try to get him tonight earlier than that – Bae would have stayed with his “real family” the Darlings. He would never have met Emma at all. She would never have existed at the same time he did except for the manipulation, so wouldn’t he have found love elsewhere? Perhaps Wendy even which is pretty much impossible now but at one point they were quite fond of each other? (To the point where it was said that Emma reminds him of Wendy in an interview or something). What if Emma, not being potentially influenced to find him would have found someone else along the way too? Her happy ending was taken because of the curse and because August needed to set things in motion so that she would go back and undo the curse. Her happy ending was taken away a second time by PP setting her up to be the mother of the truest believer by affecting when Neal was in our world.

    Emma really hates all the fate and destiny stuff already. I don’t think she’ll take too kindly to the idea that it was all set up, especially since she confronted Neal about that very idea in the bar in Manhattan. It doesn’t change the very real feelings that they shared just because it was started off in a set up way, but it doesn’t HELP matters for them either.

    I’ve seen so many people say that scene made SF 100% endgame after Emma’s speech that I want to scream. NOTHING has been set in stone yet. Emma is learning that she knows next to nothing about a very big part of Neal’s life and she’s also addressing how she feels about everything. I was CHEERING when she told Snow that she hadn’t just lost him. She lost him a LONG time ago which is what we’ve been saying all along. The only difference now is that she had him back around for a short time and still didn’t get all that hurt and anger off her chest and now she never can. The portal scene was closure in a tiny tiny way but she still has a lot of anger inside her over all of it and I can’t blame her AT ALL.

    Of course she still had feelings for him on seeing him again! It was like a high school sweetheart that she never actually broke up with he just disappeared on her and made her question her instincts since he was the only one in her life she ever trusted and he promised her the world & vanished! ALL of those feelings were stirred back up again and she realized she had just been blocking it all out but not letting herself really move on either – that really bugged me though, hello, Graham anyone? Ugh. But besides that, it was very real and made sense that those feelings didn’t disappear cause the relationship didn’t “end,” it just became non-existant in her world, even after spending two years looking for him. Poor thing!

    I really really hate that people think she’s going to kiss Hook for comfort or to say thank you or to block out her feelings for Neal. He knows they’re there. He’s been the one taking care of her! They’ve mentioned Neal a TON. But that doesn’t stop them from being drawn to one another. Emma saying she lost Neal a long time ago was extremely important. She still had her walls WAY up on the beanstalk and punished Hook for Neal-esque mistakes that he didn’t even make, but that’s because her past was affecting her judgement. Now she’s coming to terms with that past, as much as she can while she thinks Neal is “dead” and she doesn’t want to waste forever.

    Look at the people around her who have spiraled out of control upon losing someone they love, or people who have spent centuries trying to get revenge only to still feel nothing. She sees a real change in Hook and knows that he’s been there just like he said he would be the whole time and he is SHOWING her that she CAN trust him like she always wanted to. Make no mistake, she was always drawn to him and fighting it. That doesn’t go away just because everybody else thinks you should be grieving a loss that you dealt with over a decade ago. She’s been through it once before so she’s sad for Henry’s sake and she’s upset she didn’t get a chance to tell him just how much it hurt her that he came back after so much time and that he loved her that whole time but didn’t do anything about it. And here’s this captain who she’s been drawn to from the start who is doing all the right things so of course it’s getting to her. And it’s NOT a fling and it’s NOT a rebound. I could totally see her saying something next week that shows this (please show this) that she just doesn’t want to waste any more of her life NOT acting on things because she’s afraid to. She doesn’t want to look back 10 years from now and know that Hook loved her this whole time and that she felt something too but was too afraid to do anything about it. I fully expect her to say SOMETHING though because even Hook will likely be shocked since she’s been bittersweet at every mention of Neal and he reads her pretty well, but something in this seems real to him too based on his reaction from the promo. They BOTH lost someone they cared about deeply at a stage of their lives ages ago and no matter how much time has passed, it always hurts when you think someone is dead and you idealize it and try to block out the bad stuff and remember the good. But for once, it’s not stopping them from LIVING and trying to be happy. To choose love over anger.

    Charming. Oh Charming! Father daughter moments I’ve been begging for but that was not it! However…I adore the man and he is quite sick and he’s worried about his little girl and she so did not help matters by getting all that off her chest to Snowing and then turning around and being a little too flirty and kissing the pirate, no matter how helpful he’s been. That said, people are picking up on the dynamic between them and we’ve never seen Charming be worried with regards to Neal. Granted Neal WAS engaged so he probably didn’t pay him too much mind. I definitely want a punch thrown at some point though because he caused Emma way more pain than Hook ever did, so if he’s threatening his new best buddy, there better be plenty to go around. Nobody will ever be good enough for his baby.

    Charming telling Hook to stay away from Emma is a nice callback to Tallahassee though! In Emma’s episode we’re shown that Neal is told to stay away from Emma and he ends up choosing to and all she ever gets from him after that is keys to their car. No note. (She would have gotten money but August!!) The rest of the episode, heavy on Emma’s backstory, set up CaptainSwan moments. Why is this significant? In Good Form, a Hook-centric episode, we are getting not only THE KISS, aka the biggest CaptainSwan moment yet, but we’re also seeing Charming tell Hook to stay away from Emma. What are the odds he listens? Um, I’m sorry have you met him? “A man unwilling to fight for what he wants deserves what he gets.” Emma KNOWS that Pinocchio told August to leave her and he did. So I’m really hoping that she hears Charming threaten Hook or that Hook says something about “your father told me to stay away from you” or something like that. HUGE CONTRAST started in Tallahassee!

    Back to the “they are drawn together” thing. Emma and Hook have always been that way. Watching each other ALL THE TIME. That didn’t stop anything from happening and it won’t now either. They have been BUILDING toward something huge.  THE KISS. Hook won’t stay away from Emma just because Charming told him to. Nor will Emma suddenly stop being drawn to the pirate just because Neal came back into her life which brought up a lot of old PAINFUL feelings. Nor will it stop it just because people around her think it hasn’t been long enough since Neal “died” or that Hook isn’t good enough for her in some way. Emma has and will always be drawn to Hook. That’s how they interact. Tonight she was so not subtle about how good of a team they are and how they rely on each other. She didn’t even have to turn around to ask him something because she knew he’d be there and have answers for her. When Tink asked about an escape plan, Emma immediately turned to Hook expectantly, like he would have already made the plan and she trusted his judgment. When she found out it didn’t exist yet, she followed his lead to the viney rock in the middle of the jungle. Even when she questions things at first, she still backs him up just like he does for her!

    I’m so afraid Hook knowing Charming’s secret is going to bite everywhere. He looked so conflicted about it because he doesn’t want Emma to hurt but he also wants to win over her father. He could totally just wait for Charming to die since he thinks it will happen but he keeps trying to find ways around that and get Charming to tell his family what’s going on because he knows what suddenly losing someone you love feels like and he doesn’t want them (mostly Emma, but them) to know that feeling. Their scenes are HEARTBREAKING but also amusing at times. Love the budding bromance! I think deep down Charming will find a way to like Hook and learn to trust him for Emma’s sake even if nobody will be good enough for his baby girl which he totally still thinks of Emma as!

    Titles. Titles tell me a lot and once I calmed down after this episode I really thought about them. This episode was Nasty Habits. There were a lot of them in here, including a lot of father/son issues that I’m not sure can ever be FULLY resolved but at least to the point of being in each others lives and genuinely caring. Neal has a LOT of things he falls back on (it’s totally where Henry gets it) and while some moments were wonderful and triumphant, he still has a lot of things to deal with where he reverts, big time. For the most part, it was Rumple’s nasty habits that are getting in the way and he does need to get rid of them but even if he does, that trust will still be broken to a point. It’s going to be a long road and he’s got a lot more past and dark past at that, than most to sort through. Neal has his own issues for sure and it was mostly those two that this episode focused on but there were a few other things as well: namely, Emma and her past. She made it clear that she was not ok with what happened. That it took THAT long to find out that he cared about her the entire time and did nothing about it. That she let that control her for so long because she hadn’t had closure, hadn’t heard that her instincts were right. She has essentially been living in the past by now allowing herself to move forward with anyone since she was still affected by her past with Neal. That is a nasty habit that needs to be broken for sure!

    We were reminded in this episode what has happened to everyone we’ve seen lose the one they love. Emma hasn’t reacted that way. We know from the preview and the spoiler stuff that she will KISS Hook and that it will be a real kiss. This is a woman who doesn’t let her walls down, who we haven’t seen had a fling even when Graham died just to get comfort or anything like that. Yet she is KISSING HOOK very soon. Regina is STILL struggling over Daniel’s death, Snow can’t even IMAGINE losing Charming, and Emma’s out there saying she’s angry with what Neal did but she lost him a long time ago and it’s time to move on with her life. I really really feel like kissing Hook will be her accepting the fact that she’s been drawn to him from the start, he is proving to her day in and day out that he’s there for her, and that she doesn’t want to lose more years on regret and wasted opportunity. This kiss will change EVERYTHING because it will become real that there is something between them and it will ratchet up the triangle even more when Neal comes back because of this.

    They both care about Neal. That’s not remotely in question. It’s what will make it very awkward and what will make her take a step back and need to figure things out. There was always meant to be a real pull between them. But I think in the end Emma won’t want to go back and be that girl she used to be. She has a real chance at a future with Hook that isn’t scarred by mistakes of the past and there will be NO denying they’re drawn to each other now. I find it interesting that it’s similar to Snowing because even though they didn’t kiss until she was under the memory potion, they were drawn to each other from the start. In fact I’d love it if Emma had a line when Hook says something and she basically says “I almost believe that” because it would tie back in nicely to Snowing. (Basically it would need to be him being very hopeful and confident that everything will turn out fine and I could see him comforting her in that way)

    Actions vs Words. I *think* Colin tweeted that picture of the Hook+Hand=Heart thing with that caption around the time they were filming Good Form. Why is this significant? In Heart of Darkness, when Snow is under the influence of the memory potion, she tells Charming that it’s all “words, words, words” and they mean nothing to her but action does. He even tries to kiss her and it doesn’t break the spell, but when he gets shot trying to save her, she SEES that he risked his life for her and therefore must really mean it when he says he loves her and THEN they have their first “real” kiss that’s romantic and on both sides. Emma is very much like Snow when it comes to actions vs words and so far, Neal’s actions have told her he made choices for her and then didn’t believe in them enough to come find her and ask for a chance. She doesn’t know that he’s doing that right now or that he’s finally going to stand up for her. THAT’S where the triangle comes in. HOOK in the meantime is not only SAYING he fancies her, but he is giving up absolutely everything and doing whatever he can to help her AND her family and he is SHOWING her through his actions that he genuinely cares for her. THIS IS HUGE to someone who has never had anybody in her life put her first – even Snowing giving her up was to save EVERYONE and she flat out said well if we were all cursed, at least we would have been together. She HATES people choosing for her. One could argue that Neal tried to put her first but again, he did not consult her so for over a decade, she’s felt alone and miserable but here’s Hook who hasn’t done any of that and is showing her how much he cares and that’s a big thing for her!

    So I totally see how they’re ratcheting up the triangle and trying to help us all see why she’ll be torn between them. I would hazard a guess that the big group reunion is coming up since we just had a Neal heavy ep and next week is Hook/CS. I’m not sure when Neal will rejoin them since Ariel is the focus of the one after that, but Emma needs to get some of this out so that people aren’t so confused when she can’t figure out what to do. Personally I think it’s an obvious choice *cough* Hook *cough* but they are reminding us what we guessed at already, that her past with Neal IS from a long time ago but that she still needs answers and needs to tell him things that right now she doesn’t think she’ll get the chance to. I fully expect their “big scenes” coming up to be them hashing a lot of this out but eventually coming to the same conclusion that we have here. At least we’re seeing what’s going on in her head (a little bit) so that we’re hearing the “I lost him a long time ago” and not just Snow’s “she JUST lost Neal” because no. It’s been a long time coming for her. It needs to make sense that she kisses Hook and is trying to move forward with her life. I’m sure we’ll get enough Emma-hate for kissing him so soon after saying those things and so soon after the portal, but once we see everything within context it’ll be a lot more clear – especially once Neal shows up.

    THE PROMO WAS AMAZING. I don’t think I can say that enough, and not just because of the kiss! I have been begging for Killian backstory ever since the Crocodile and I was SO was not expecting a flying ship and navy! Adorable uniform…and a ponytail! I can only begin to imagine what else is in store for us but yay for a Hook episode that gives CS a lot of good stuff like the Emma episode did! Bae has had a lot of background but not as Neal, and this is the first we’ve seen of Hook, and Tallahassee was all we’ve seen of Emma’s, but I’m so happy that Emma’s and Hooks are mirroring each other on the “what they set up in PRESENT day” thing! SO EXCITING!

    So regardless of what you hear about this episode, which was in fact very good and will likely fit into a lot more stuff later regardless of ships, there’s a lot of character stuff and I’ve definitely interested in seeing more about Rumple, Neal and PP. Especially since I’m not sure which path Neal is heading toward right now,there’s actually a lot of good stuff and of course, it concludes with THE PROMO.

    Neal did a lot of things right in this episode but made a lot of stupid mistakes too. I’m bordering on good dad side but then because he couldn’t get past his trust issues with Rumple, he also got Henry captured again. I really hope that Emma and company do a better job of it. Neal had the best of intentions and was doing a fabulous job but let his relationship with Rumple and PP’s mindgames get in the way. I really hope PP doesn’t mess with Hook next. A little worried since the promo was a bit too positive for Hook but holding out for context. I really need a good Killian episode and I don’t want anything to take me away from my CS kiss buzz! PP is very manipulative though and it looks like he could have ammo to taunt Hook with as well. (of course).

    They have definitely made a point this season of mentioning things being “too late” especially with regards to Neal and Emma. All the “may be too late” and the “it was too late” they keep throwing in. They made a point of having Neal fully acknowledge out loud to Mulan and Robin Hood that he would do what he cold but that it very well may be too late. Snow even said something about the minute she beings to doubt is the minute she loses. And of course we have Hook pointing out that reality and hope may be worlds apart but “there’s always hope” – and let me tell you something, that PROMO is what brought my hope back after I watched the episode since it WAS a good episode but felt the need to end by reminding us that she did care about Neal. I was fully expecting WAY more CS moments even though subtle to bring it up to next week’s episode but it’s almost like they took a week off. Every conversation they had tonight went back to Neal which was frustrating. Now all I’m seeing anywhere is that she must be kissing him and clinging to him because he’s literally the only reminder she has of Neal left right now. I refuse to believe that.

    Wow I had a lot more to say about this episode than I thought! In fact for the first time I thought I wouldn’t really pour over this episode right now because too many feelings (it’s been such an emotional season already!) and I’m gearing up for next week (which should be AMAZING and give us TONS to talk about) but I guess there was more positive stuff in it for us than I originally thought!

    Can’t wait for next week when our ship not only sails but flies too! Or at least, Killian USED to be on a flying ship! And what does that make me think of? THE JOLLY ROGER, COVERED IN PIXIE DUST, SAILING THEM HOME! And Emma better talk about home at some point and look at Killian cause I need this. Her use of “home” has meant a lot of different things over time and I fully believe she means it now as Henry and her parents but I want her to specifically look at Killian sometime after the kiss and use it too.

    So lots of feelings. Can it be next week yet? Where’s a sneak peek cause I need one badly. I am a Good Form / Hook / CaptainSwan junkee this week for sure! I don’t remember the last time I was THIS excited for an episode and I’ve been excited for pretty much every episode ever cause it’s new stuff and they always surprise. With how many new things I wasn’t expecting already in just the promo, I can only begin to imagine what might be waiting for us on Sunday!

    Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.

    October 21, 2013 at 3:04 am #217629
    MysteryKat25
    Participant

    LOLOLOL! THE DOCTOR AND GOOD FORM parallel!!!!!!! Just saw this on tumblr: 2×05: “You’ve bested me. I can count the amount of people who’ve done that on one hand.” “Is that supposed to be funny?” 3×05: Need a hand love? Is that supposed to be a joke? /wheezing here /we are canon /our otp is perfect in every way

    Oops, didn’t see this while I was posting! (I miss the preview function!)

    Yes, perfect parallel is perfect! I totally forgot about that one when I mentioned the thing about somebody telling a guy to stay away from Emma and how we’re pretty much guaranteed that Hook will NOT do this. Perfect OTP is perfect (as well as 100% canon!

    Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.

    October 21, 2013 at 5:25 am #217646
    MysteryKat25
    Participant

    Just wanted to leave this here. Just finished reading an excellent analysis (link to follow) and it had some great points I hadn’t even considered with regards to Emma and how she’s feeling about everything!

    We’ve seen from the beginning of the show that she has struggled with being a mother and the fear that she won’t be a good one but she’s in this and keeps trying and is doing whatever it takes to save her son.

    We started off the season with a flashback showing her having Henry and not even being able to hold him (and JMO has pretty much said that if she had, she wouldn’t have been able to let him go). That is pains her THAT much. Because she knows what it’s like to feel abandoned. It doesn’t matter that her parents did that to her, she still did that to Henry and she knows what that feels like, even if done for the best reasons.

    Henry equated her giving him up to Snowing giving her up: that it was to give them their best chance, but that doesn’t wipe out the inevitable pain of abandonment as a child that we’re seeing from Emma and now Henry since he can hear the music.

    Not being a mother myself, I hadn’t even paid attention to the fact that Emma has other reasons to move forward and move on with Captain Hook instead of going back to Neal (or rather, more obstacles that I think would be hard to get through, even with lingering feelings).

    This season they are falling heavily onto the point that Emma is a MOTHER. It is what her special skill she brings to the group was in her speech. It’s in her list of titles. It’s what is eating her alive right now trying to get to Henry and to save him before it’s too late. Anybody who isn’t willing to help her needs to get out of the way because she is a MOTHER and she wants her kid.

    This meta gave me a ton of feelings for Emma. I relate to her on a lot of levels (though no massive betrayals, abandonment, jail or being a mother issues to speak of) but hadn’t thought about the fact that not only did the choices Neal make for her cost her 10 years of feeling unloved on top of a lifetime of abandonment, but also COST HER 10 YEARS WITH HER KID. Something that, while upsetting enough, could make it “too late” for Henry in PP’s clutches.

    Not to mention the fact that her son was raised by the Evil Queen and spent his life being lied to and told he was crazy and seeing a shrink and running off to Boston to find Emma to get SOMEBODY to believe in him and fix everything that was wrong with his world because he knew this wasn’t right.

    Emma and Neal would have kept him – no doubt. We wouldn’t have a story and Emma wouldn’t have broken the curse but there are a lot of coulda, would, shouldas in this story. If goodness knows what didn’t happen to goodness knows who causing magic to die and getting PP to manipulate things so that Neal would someday meet Emma and have Henry and he’d have to grow up the way he did so that he would become the truest believer that could save magic.

    Things sometimes happen with the best of intentions and even with *some* answers we already know that Emma is VERY ANGRY about not getting to address a lot of things with Neal and on the surface, right now we’re hearing about how hurt she was by not being able to tell him just how angry she was at him for letting her go all that time and not telling her. That he BROKE her and then over a decade came back and said he loved her all along – that’s MASSIVELY PAINFUL and CONFUSING when she’s just lost him for the 2nd time *technically* and never got closure over the first which is what screwed her up to begin with.

    She had a tiny bit of closure when she thought he was dying and it is always easier to idealize things from a long time ago because over time, unless it’s traumatic, you block out things and think of it the way you want to remember it. Likewise if it’s massively traumatic, you can only remember the bad.

    Right now Emma is CONFUSED all around but ESPECIALLY because she thinks he’s dead because while she is VERY ANGRY, the good stuff is brought back by thinking he’s not only gone but dead as well. Seeing him could be a whole nother story depending on exactly what she’s upset about and how much of it she’s having to relearn since her whole life has basically been one giant manipulated lie on top of another. There’s always been somebody choosing things for her and those choices, all of them, have left her a broken woman who is afraid to let herself love because people always leave her. The only two who have ever come back FOR HER are Henry and Hook (and she had already abandoned both of them before that!)

    The ONLY reason that Neal came with them to SB is because his father was dying and as angry as he was, he still loved him even though he obviously does not and may never fully trust him again but will love him all the same. He didn’t come back for Emma. He didn’t offer to follow her back even knowing his son was there. He even whined that he hadn’t had enough time with him when Emma mentioned that they needed to go home. Neal never intended to do any of that. He was going to stay in NY where his life made sense and was far away from magic (not that I can blame him after his rotten life) but this all comes back to the one thing we haven’t been talking about that he took away from her that I think will weigh on her mind more prevalently after having to fight SO HARD to get her son back: Henry’s childhood.

    It’s been glossed over a little here and there, but I think Emma will be battling a lot sometime soon that she missed so much and that’s going to have an affect on her. Especially if it comes up in a conversation with Neal once he rejoins the group eventually. With everything that is happening in Neverland right now, she is going to be ESPECIALLY raw and emotional and hopefully very blunt and letting things off her chest so that she’s not so bottled up anymore.

    This will help her understand Snowing a LOT better which is something they need to work on. She & Neal have had skimming-the-surface conversations where Emma  has warned him  not to hurt Henry like he hurt her, but they haven’t shown us any other conversations with regards to how Henry was raised or how he ended up in SB with Regina or anything of that. We really have no clue what Neal even knows about any of it. But that HAS to weigh on her at some point, especially in a season where she is fully embracing her role as a mother and fighting so hard for her son.

    Here’s the analysis that inspired this post. Very well-said and has many good points: http://a-pirate-can-be-a-hero.tumblr.com/post/64666867312/some-late-night-ouat-feelings

    Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.

    October 21, 2013 at 5:25 am #217647
    Captain Eala
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    ****SPOILERS AHEAD IN QUOTES*****

    That said, I was a little struck by how much more of young Bae SHOULD have learned from HIS past and not project that on to others, especially since he himself did not like having choices taken away from him. This is a HUGE thing because we saw him tell Rumple that he WOULD have gone home with him if he had just asked if that’s what he wanted. All he wanted was to be given CHOICES and he would choose family every time. It was HEARTBREAKING. But…then I remember all the times that he didn’t give Emma a choice.

    YESSSSSS. Bae SHOULD have learned from his past. The writers WANTED to show us this. They WANTED to show us how different Neal and Baelfire are. They are like two different people. They’re doing that for a reason. And it’s so funny, because Henry reminds me more and more of Baelfire, and Neal reminds me more and more of Rumple.

    And as we’ve been saying, Killian is allowing Emma to make the choices all the time, choice is a Captain Swan theme. Killian WOULD NEVER take away Emma’s choice. Never. And that is one of the main differences between them.

    I feel like time and time again we see Neal being hypocritical which I think is one of the main things that bugged me and you pointed out one in particular that I was thinking of: that he is focused on his 2nd chance with Emma after doing so many hurtful things that would surely have broken trust on a massive scale, but then couldn’t give the same to Rumple.

    Yes, I totally agree, Neal is a hypocrite of the highest order. I said it before in the CSF thread that he’s always ragging on his father for doing bad things, but Neal too has done bad things, unnecessary things that also lead to pain (stealing 20k in watches, sending Emma to prison) and while Neal did not kill people, the things he did were still morally wrong.

    I’ve seen so many people say that scene made SF 100% endgame after Emma’s speech that I want to scream.

    OMG are you serious? You can’t be serious. They’re implying that this scene is romantic? I don’t know if I want to rage or if I want to “lol” because omg, we’re clearly not watching the same show. So basically the ONLY THING they took out of Emma’s speech was the fact that she still loved Neal (interestingly, not that she was still IN love with him).

    How about her first line. She said she was P*SSED. I mean seriously, they should listen to her dialogue. Emma doesn’t talk about her feelings much, so when she says she’s p*ssed, she’s got a *stuff*storm of anger going on inside her. The fact that she says “I lost him years ago” is huge. She said it’s “too late”. At that point, she’s thinking that even though he had actually loved her, at the same time she’s wondering “how could he have done that to me if he loved me?”

    I mean, looking at it from an objective standpoint, eleven years of pain, loss, abandonment, and trust issues is a huge roadblock for any relationship and saying sorry just doesn’t make it disappear overnight. What he did to her crippled Emma’s ability to let people into her heart. Emma needs to ask herself if she can trust Neal again (probably not), and will he ever stand by her and be her supporter and equal (nope, he makes her choices for her). (Sidenote: We’ve seen that Killian makes an excellent supporter of Emma and that they make a fantastic team.) THIS is why Neal is the obstacle to Captain Swan AND to Swanfire. If Swanfire were truly endgame, then they have enough problems and obstacles to sort out before adding Killian Jones into the mix.

    I really really hate that people think she’s going to kiss Hook for comfort or to say thank you or to block out her feelings for Neal. He knows they’re there. He’s been the one taking care of her! They’ve mentioned Neal a TON. But that doesn’t stop them from being drawn to one another. Emma saying she lost Neal a long time ago was extremely important. She still had her walls WAY up on the beanstalk and punished Hook for Neal-esque mistakes that he didn’t even make, but that’s because her past was affecting her judgement.

    Really, I lol’d so hard when I read that. *shakes head* the delusion is rampant. Comfort? Really? Okay, clearly they missed the little smile she gave him before she kissed him, no wait, attacked him. As a thank you? Really? So you follow someone and grasp someone by their collar and give them the most amazing passionate kiss ever as a thank you? Hm, so that’s how people are saying thank you these days. I must remember that.

    The truth is she has clearly been supressing her feelings for Killian ever since 2×06. Sometimes (a lot of the time actually) they came out in their scenes together. Every scene of Captain Swan has been meaningful to some degree. When Captain Swan are married with three kids people will still be saying they’re a brOTP. We can’t win lol.

    And here’s this captain who she’s been drawn to from the start who is doing all the right things so of course it’s getting to her. And it’s NOT a fling and it’s NOT a rebound.

    It’s most definitely NOT a rebound. JMo has basically said that Emma is drawn to both Killian AND Neal, and that her feelings for both are “confusing and complicated”. Now, Emma loves Neal, cares for him deeply. If she was IN LOVE Neal would win easily, especially if it was the True kind.  But she isn’t – JMo has basically told us that she cares EQUALLY as much for Killian, or there would be no competition. But the minute Emma realises that she is IN LOVE with Killian, the triangle will be over – it will tip the balance.

    The triangle for me boils down to Emma’s choice between the past and the future, duty and desire, first love and true love.

    Hook won’t stay away from Emma just because Charming told him to. Nor will Emma suddenly stop being drawn to the pirate just because Neal came back into her life which brought up a lot of old PAINFUL feelings. Nor will it stop it just because people around her think it hasn’t been long enough since Neal “died” or that Hook isn’t good enough for her in some way. Emma has and will always be drawn to Hook. That’s how they interact. Tonight she was so not subtle about how good of a team they are and how they rely on each other. She didn’t even have to turn around to ask him something because she knew he’d be there and have answers for her. When Tink asked about an escape plan, Emma immediately turned to Hook expectantly, like he would have already made the plan and she trusted his judgment. When she found out it didn’t exist yet, she followed his lead to the viney rock in the middle of the jungle. Even when she questions things at first, she still backs him up just like he does for her!

    ^^^^^^ 100% this.

    I’m so happy that Emma’s and Hooks are mirroring each other on the “what they set up in PRESENT day” thing! SO EXCITING!

    It really is, i’m in a pathetic whimpering mess just thinking about it!

    Next week is going to be amazingly fantastic for us in every way. It looks like they’ll be paralleling Tallahassee like mad, and all to put Killian in a good light. I’m loving how in the promo he was grinning cheekily after she said “is that supposed to be a joke?” when they were flirting in the cave, it was soooo funny. I mean, I’ve loved Killian in the last few episodes but it’s great to see him letting his happy out again, because he’s only ever like that with Emma. Emma is the only one who sees his lighter side.

    I have a feeling we’ll be seeing Captain Innuendo back next week and I cannot wait!!!!!!! I have a feeling Emma follows him into the jungle or something, he says something innuendo-y, he has this BIG 12 YEAR OLD GRIN ON HIS FACE (THE ADORABLE LIFE-RUINER), and she gives a half smile and kisses him.

    I am.

    A whimpering.

    Mess.

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