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OMG OMG OMG!!! OMG OMG OMG!!! OMG OMG OMG!!! Excuse me, I will just be over here in the corner watching that clip for the next four or five hours . . . I can’t even compose myself to write anything yet!!!
I KNOW RIGHT OMG OMG OMG
I can talk about the scene now I have almost fully recovered from my earlier anger because no-one, NO-ONE, can take that kiss away from us.
Scene breakdown:
Okay, so the scene starts out with her being genuinely surprised that he saved her father’s life, which turns into sincere gratefulness (is that a word? I don’t know anymore) and she thanks him. THEN the sparks start to fly and they start overtly flirting with each other. This is where he turns into his old Captain Innuendo self and says that another form of gratitude is in order with a cheeky smile on his face, and he oh-so-casually touches his lips to indicate what he wants. This is where she grins – GRINS – at him and tells him he couldn’t handle it, effectively CHALLENGING HIM lol, and then he CHALLENGES HER RIGHT BACK and says that perhaps she’s the one who can’t handle it. And she is smirking at him at this stage in a “you’re in for it now” kind of way lololol which I absolutely loved. AND SHE GRABS HIM and puts her hand on his head and he is completely at a loss for a few seconds – absolutely stunned – until he goes for it with her. THEY HAVE A FULL MAKE-OUT FOR LIKE 10 SECONDS. Then she stops and leans her forehead against his – see the picture on the previous page – and he’s like “that was” and MOVES IN AGAIN TO KISS HER and she says “a one time thing” and walls slam back up. Both of them are audibly panting when the scene closes. Killian puts his fingers to his lips and is SIMPLY STUNNED.
The fact that she says it was a one time thing is the best thing she could have said. CSers have written countless fics for MONTHS AND MONTHS saying that she was going to say that exact same thing. THIS IS ONLY THE BEGINNING. AND IF THAT WASN’T AMAZING ENOUGH, WE GET HIT WITH A VERY BLATANTLY OBVIOUS PRINCESS BRIDE PARALLEL. She tells him to go and “not follow her” “give it five minutes” “collect some firewood” (all so she can have time to put back up her walls) and he says “as you wish”!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And Emma smirks – SMIRKS BECAUSE SHE KNOWS HOW SHE HAS AFFECTED HIM.
SO IN SUMMARY:
CAPTAIN SWAN HAVE BEEN PARALLELED WITH TWO ICONIC COUPLES:
1) Wesley and Buttercup
2) Han and Leia
Try to tell me our ship isn’t endgame. Just try.
LALALALALALALALA
[adrotate group="5"]Keeper of Captain Swan's first kiss
SO IN SUMMARY:
CAPTAIN SWAN HAVE BEEN PARALLELED WITH TWO ICONIC COUPLES:
1) Wesley and Buttercup
2) Han and Leia
Try to tell me our ship isn’t endgame. Just try.
LALALALALALALALA
And Snowing. Don’t forget Snowing!
I’d also like to add Snowing (OUAT) and Han & Leia were couples who didn’t start out liking each other. All Leia could do with Han during the first two movies was fight with him and Snow didn’t like Charming when she first met him either in Snow Falls. And yet both couples ended up together in the end.
And Snowing. Don’t forget Snowing! I’d also like to add Snowing (OUAT) and Han & Leia were couples who didn’t start out liking each other. All Leia could do with Han during the first two movies was fight with him and Snow didn’t like Charming when she first met him either in Snow Falls. And yet both couples ended up together in the end.
LALALALALA thank you obisgirl for pointing that out!!! LALALALA FLOATING ON A CLOUD RIGHT NOW
Here is an objective 3rd party opinion on the kiss scene:
So yeah, I hope the SFers and SQers are happy with themselves. They have completely misinterpreted this scene in every way.
LALALALALALA and we’re sailing off into a sunset aboard the Captain Swan ship! 😉
Keeper of Captain Swan's first kiss
Agree with everything that’s been said and still flailing!
If I see any more Hook hate for trying to leverage a kiss out of the deal I’m gonna scream. He was gauging Emma, probably hoping for no more than a peck, and she was still saying no and could have stood her ground. She didn’t move when he came in close. She told him “that’s what the thank you was for” and she could have walked away. He challenged her and she TEASED him right back with the “you wouldn’t be able to handle it” but at the end of the day SHE was the one that went in for the kiss and I’m sorry but that was NOT a “thank you” kiss, she went in for the kill!
She was in complete control there. She knows Hook “fancies her” and of course he’s gonna try and get a little kiss out of it but he lets her control the situation. It reminded me a lot of ITNOTB in the beginning. She had the power and he was back to being flirty which, guess what? SHE LIKES. This completely kills the idea that she hates everything he says because she went for it!
She could have walked away and rolled her eyes whenever she wanted to. She told him she thanked him and that would have been that. Of course he was gonna hope and try for a bit more but I think he was enjoying watching her smile and banter with him! We haven’t seen her smile in ages!
They were both CLEARLY affected by that. Hook has already admitted he fancies her so it’s not surprising that he started talking first and going back for seconds but her walls immediately went back up and I would expect nothing less. Her “one time thing” was about as convincing as his “just as I am done with you” and we know THAT’S not gonna last! She had to hold onto his jacket just to keep herself upright!
He did the lip touch thing! He’s so obviously moved by it and I expect we’ll see more that she is now that every interaction between them is post-kiss! And we know how Emma is with her walls – she’ll pretend it didn’t mean anything and then she’ll lash out at Tink for looking at him the wrong way or something lol. She didn’t have to go there, she could have offered a peck on the cheek or a hug or something if it was all out of gratitude. She outright told him, I’ve already thanked you. She could have walked away at that point and not felt remotely guilty so she did this because she wanted to.
The line. He used…the line! THE LINE! I’ve been waiting for that sine the Crocodile (I swear he sounded just like Westley/DPR in that episode!) Colin has always said there’s a little bit of that in Hook too! That line…is HUGE. It is ICONIC. It MEANS SOMETHING and she heard it and smiled/smirked. YOU KNOW SHE WAS THINKING IT and it made her HAPPY. She won’t be willing to go there for a long time, especially once Neal is back in the picture, and any talk of real feelings gets to her but in that moment, she reacted to him saying that and it MADE HER HAPPY. When she evaluates everything down the line, she’s gonna remember that. THAT QUOTE YOU DON’T JUST THROW AROUND PEOPLE.
So basically we haven’t JUST seen them compared to Snowing lately, but we’ve also had them referred to as Han and Leia, and now outright (even though we’ve been saying it before now) hints of Buttercup & Westley – which is what we’ve been saying for ages for Hook. And for this to be in HIS BACKSTORY episode where he might be a little bit more like Westley and a little less like DPR is HUGE. I really hope we get a reference to the boys being farmers or something before joining the navy cause that would be full circle perfectness for Westley and it would be another nod to Charming too).
This kiss was never going to be some big romantic gesture especially after last week. But the fact that they went out of their way to show it wasn’t just “you saved David! Let me kiss you & then say it meant nothing” is HUGE. She made a point of saying thank you already. It was done. A guy can ask for a kiss in return all he wants but it’s still her choice to give it. He was enjoying the banter and getting her to smile and then she shocked him and now they’re both affected by it from here on out no matter what BECAUSE IT HAPPENED.
I think he really did save Charming because he’s no longer serious and concerned but happy and celebrating. It would make sense if he was able to save Charming because it would be a huge victory for him personally after whatever happened with his brother Liam. It’s nice to see the mood lightened a bit and he’s making her SMILE!
I seriously need context for after that moment but they will never be the same because it happened and they can’t erase that. It’s the first time in centuries for Hook and the only one we’ve seen from him at all, and with Emma that is the most passionate we have ever seen her. We’ve seen cute before, we’ve seen her push Graham away for being too bold before, but this was all her. Before she even kissed him though? She told him he wouldn’t be able to handle it. She TEASED him with that. She challenged him to challenge her to do it because this is Emma Swan – she doesn’t just go around kissing people, especially ones she knows might have feelings for her. She’d just shut it down, roll her eyes, and walk away. She already thanked him. This was Emma bantering back and enjoying it, and it was beautiful.
I think someone said that was a full 13 second kiss. Nobody gets the epic kisses like that except for the TL couples. We’ve seen cute and sweet but this was Emma with full on passion and need for Hook and it wasn’t about saving her dad, or being emotionally unstable after last week’s episode. This was Emma, enjoying her time with Hook, that STARTED OFF as saying thank you but turned into full on banter which led to her grabbing him and going for the kill. I’m sorry but that was not a thank you kiss, or an I need to block out how I feel about other people kiss. That was I want this. She was ENJOYING herself for the first time in goodness knows how long and the rest of the world, for a few seconds, melted away and the same was true for him. They were wrapped up in each other for a few glorious seconds and then when he started to say how amazing it was her walls went back up. She was clutching him and hanging on for dear life until he started to talk and then she realized what she’d let herself do and put her guard back up. THIS IS HOW SHE IS WITH GUYS SHE LIKES. She gets scared and can’t admit she might feel something and goes to focus on something else.
It’ll be really interesting to see how they behave after this. Neither is going to be able to forget that or pretend it didn’t happen. We need more of Emma’s reaction but Hook’s said it all to me for him. Or should I say, Killian. Can’t wait til she can let herself let go of her walls and call him that but this is a step in the right direction. It may not have started out as a grand gesture of love but it is a step in the right direction to realizing that something is there for her. She just doesn’t want to admit that yet and has more important things to focus on. Can’t wait to see how they interact after this though! And who else notices / calls them out on it…certain things you just can’t recover from and hide and that was an AMAZING KISS.
I…need to go rewatch a gazillion times now because perfect clip is perfect and the start of something real and beautiful and we are not nor have we ever been delusional. We saw more there a long time ago and we have just as much of a chance as anybody! Though I do agree, not gonna lie, my hopes are super high after not only seeing how it went down and it being amazing and perfect, but using THAT quote, and seeing that after they’ve already been compared to Han and Leia. I just…you can’t throw things around like that! It’s just cruel and unusual punishment if it’s not real at that point! I know they’re not any of those couples, or Snowing, they have their own beautiful love story! But it’s completely unnecessary to bring those extra elements in, especially in THAT MOMENT, if the pull to him isn’t real and strong. Like obisgirl said, none of those couples including Snowing started off all lovey-dovey. It’s a journey, not a destination and I have faith we’ll get there in the end. Seriously the only way THAT MOMENT would have been any better just now is if she had called him a scoundrel, which she totally could have for asking for the kiss before laying it on him! Maybe she’ll think to use that word later though…*fingers crossed*
Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.
MysteryKat NATURALLY I AGREE 100% WITH YOU SINCE YOU SPEAK SENSE
Let me tell you what this kiss was not:
1. It was not about comfort
2. It was not a thank you, despite the implication
3. It was not because Emma was vulnerable
4. It was not Emma hanging on to Neal’s ghost (I’ve seen that and it just makes me lol because she is not thinking about anything there apart from Killian)
This kiss was:
1. Passion
2. Challenge
3. Fireworks
4. Unexpected
5. Emotional (towards the end anyway)
6. And absolutely amazing to both of them
7. WILL BE REPEATED EVEN THOUGH NEAL WILL BE BACK IN 3X06 OR SO
I cannot get over how stunned Killian was that she called his bluff. I just can’t. He was so shocked – and he’s realising now that he’s falling in love with her, as we predicted he would. Naturally Emma is behind, but when you look at all the shots of her in that scene, she is not holding her feelings back whatsoever, and they’re clearly shining on her face.
I was expecting their first kiss to be EXACTLY this way. Raw and passionate and emotional. Because that’s who they are. They aren’t sweet Snowing. They never will be.
Keeper of Captain Swan's first kiss
moraha wrote: I never would have thought we get this as a sneak. I won’t watch it now, even if its hard. I wanna see it in the episode. And considering what you wrote Eala – it’s worth the wait.
I’m doing the same thing.
Me three! I’m holding off, as tempting as it is!
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MysteryKat NATURALLY I AGREE 100% WITH YOU SINCE YOU SPEAK SENSE
Let me tell you what this kiss was not:
1. It was not about comfort
2. It was not a thank you, despite the implication
3. It was not because Emma was vulnerable
4. It was not Emma hanging on to Neal’s ghost (I’ve seen that and it just makes me lol because she is not thinking about anything there apart from Killian)
This kiss was:
1. Passion
2. Challenge
3. Fireworks
4. Unexpected
5. Emotional (towards the end anyway)
6. And absolutely amazing to both of them
7. WILL BE REPEATED EVEN THOUGH NEAL WILL BE BACK IN 3X06 OR SO
I cannot get over how stunned Killian was that she called his bluff. I just can’t. He was so shocked – and he’s realising now that he’s falling in love with her, as we predicted he would. Naturally Emma is behind, but when you look at all the shots of her in that scene, she is not holding her feelings back whatsoever, and they’re clearly shining on her face.
I was expecting their first kiss to be EXACTLY this way. Raw and passionate and emotional. Because that’s who they are. They aren’t sweet Snowing. They never will be.
Yup.
Also, Jen tweeted this back in September. I don’t know if it coincides with the filming on 3×05 but I think it does.
Movie of the week… PRINCESS BRIDE directed by: Rob Reiner http://t.co/9GGRqDIkZ7
— Jennifer Morrison (@jenmorrisonlive) September 17, 2013
Excellent catch on that movie of the week! I bet that was around the time she was reading the script for this episode cause I think they filmed it shortly there-after.
If I could, you know, FUNCTION, after watching that clip a million times I’d try to put into words all of the positive things I’m feeling right now but I am at a complete & utter loss, and I’d rather enjoy the shaky goodness of that moment than deal with everything that is literally making my blood boil over how Emma is being interpreted as some manipulated little wallflower.
So instead, I will leave you with the perfect analysis of everything that was in that sneak peek because it was perfect and brief and gave me lots and lots of feels and now I really need to stop rewatching the clip and go watch that movie because just…FEELS and perfection.
http://onceuponamirror.tumblr.com/post/64903429399/cs-kiss-analysis-hold-me
Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.
We got another ‘shipper from the dwarves!!
https://twitter.com/MigMacario/statuses/393157493490483200
Everything I have seen that is negative just reinforces that people who want to hate Hook will find a way to do so and have no understanding of him at all.
HIS defense mechanism is to slip back into his Captain Hook persona. We have been seeing way more Killian lately but things were getting too close for comfort when she genuinely thanked him for something he did for her. He put his head down and scratched behind his ear which shows a slight discomfort with the situation. The guy is NOT USED to being thanked, just like Emma is NOT USED to somebody putting her first. They are KINDRED SPIRITS FOR A REASON.
He completely slipped back into his defense mechanism in that moment and that brought out the more suggestive side that does flirt and openly but he certainly doesn’t force anything. He wants her to come to him. If anything it reminded me of Han & Leia, and Pacey & Joey. The whole count to 10 if you don’t want me to kiss you thing, except in this case he was just awkwardly asking for one figuring that she would SHUT HIM DOWN like she usually does.
Killian Jones is an awkward mess. He’s been loyal to the memory of Milah for centuries and his mask is Captain Hook. He’s been slowly taking that off all season but the moment things get too real for him, aka: Emma is GENUINELY THANKING HIM, he slips and puts it back on.
He’s a flirt, we know this, and he has a way of flirting that some see as off-putting but Emma used to just roll her eyes and walk away. He did the same type of thing in the hospital in ITNOTB. It’s how he gets the point across that he’s interested but not pushing and it can be fun and bantery which Emma PLAYS ALONG WITH to a point and usually shuts him down. I think he is BLOWN AWAY that she didn’t in this moment because HE EXPECTS HER TO WHAT SHE’S ALWAYS DONE.
Emma can take care of herself. She wasn’t forced or guilt-tripped into anything. If they were in a similar situation to this but a few weeks ago? She would have walked away, no question. She is not a meek little wallflower that can’t handle the way he flirts! Emma will punch somebody or push them away or walk away no matter WHO they are (she pushed Graham away the first time he kissed her in a very “I need to feel something and you make me feel” way even though she DID like him and was jealous of his arrangement with Regina). This was Emma doing whatever she pleases because SHE wanted to. She’s been drawn to him from the start and sees PAST his silly awkward flirting. She KNOWS he is a man capable of caring VERY DEEPLY and that she has been drawn to him for awhile but didn’t let herself trust him because she’s been burned. He has been SHOWING her that everything he said before was the truth and he has been helpful to her. She JUST acknowledged that he had no reason to go out of his way to help anybody especially Charming and he did it anyway and specifically said “I couldn’t let your father perish on this island” turning it back on her as if to say “It’s all for you.” That is HUGE for Emma.
It just completely baffles me that people can’t see that. I wish they hadn’t released that clip without the context of the whole episode because I feel like it should overall be a great one to show the multiple sides of Hook and Killian and maybe (hopefully) learn that one really is him putting up his walls and defenses. He loved Milah AS KILLIAN and Hook was all about hate and revenge and now Emma is showing him the path to becoming Killian again and it scares him as much as it scares her!
His Hook persona is his mask. It always has been. It’s as plain as day to some of us as Emma’s walls are to most everyone. If you’re intent on hating him, I could see how his flirting might be offensive to some and how it could seem like he was trying to guilt her into kissing him but this is Emma. She could have left if she wanted to. She already said her thanks and said that the thanks was enough. She CHOSE to kiss him and to kiss him LIKE THAT and regardless of how it started, they’re not going to be able to walk away from that. Emma was struggling to walk away and couldn’t handle being near him in that moment because it felt TOO real and like it might lead to something more if they were anywhere near each other in that moment. You could see it on her face and in her breathiness. She had to grab on tighter at the end so she wouldn’t fall over. And Killian? He got way more than he bargained for but she dished it right back at him (which he LOVES) and clearly was moved by it too but still, when she asked him not to follow her immediately, he just said “As you wish” – he’s letting her have control here. If he were the dirty rotten pirate everyone is SO QUICK TO JUDGE, he would have just gone in to try and kiss her (like Graham did I might add), and she would have pushed him away. He lets her come to him. He knows she’s got a lot on her mind and that it isn’t up to him. His feelings are getting deeper and deeper (no way he realized just HOW deep until that kiss knocked him over the head) but he respects her, even when hiding behind that mask. They challenge each other and they BOTH LOVE THAT. They make a great TEAM for a reason.
What is driving me bonkers right now is that we just watched last week Neal be a complete and total hypocrite with the way he treated Rumple (STILL mad about that) knowing that he was planning to go to the woman he inflicted a lot of pain and trust issues on and ask for forgiveness and a 2nd chance while PARALYZING his father in the middle of the jungle and planning to leave him in NL and saying goodbye to him as if it’s for good because he can never trust him again. THIS is the man who’s on his way to ask for a 2nd chance with someone he hurt but loved the whole time and he doesn’t see how his behavior is exactly what he should expect from Emma? Literally almost the same argument?
But that is somehow better than a man who clearly isn’t used to people being genuinely nice to him and thanking him and probably hasn’t had anybody actually show any respect to him at all in hundreds of years (crew has to follow orders of the captain but to have someone like Emma say thank you?). To throw back up a wall and fall into a defensive pattern, aka his Hook mask of awkward flirting and such, THAT’S JUST THE WORST THING EVER? And with a woman who KNOWS what it’s like to throw walls up the moment things get too real? Seriously?
His awkward flirting or saying what he wants from her is not repulsive to everyone (I’m seriously tired of people telling me how offended I should be). It’s not as sweet and nice as we’ve seen Killian be as of late, but it’s not the worst thing ever either. He isn’t HURTING her. If she didn’t like it, this is Emma Swan – she’d say something and she’d stop it. These two THRIVE off of their banter. It unnerves them when a moment is genuine and real and might possibly mean something. That automatically throws walls back up and they have to go find a distraction and then slip back into what is comfortable for them.
Emma is seeing a different side of him this season and it’s confusing her because she expects the worst in him but is seeing the best and she’s still afraid to trust it but is slowly opening up to the fact that he really has been there for her. I need the context of the entire episode and to see what happens before and after – it looks like they might share another drink before having the talk that leads to the kiss. She was wiping her mouth and handed him back a container it looked like.
More food for thought? Many have speculated that this scene may be more near the end and long after the one where Charming tells Hook to stay away from Emma. For all we know, he’s trying to, or at least trying to look like he is so that he can continue winning Charming over. He knows that Emma’s priority is Henry right now and that she’s dealing with a lot of other stuff too so he may say something about it being Emma’s choice but he may not be too confrontational about it and probably hasn’t fully given himself reason to hope that she might return his feelings anyway – until after that incredible kiss which clearly rocks him to his core. So for all we know *right now* without episode context, he very well could be acting like that just to try to comply with Charming’s wishes. As in, he’s putting the Hook mask back on so that he doesn’t let himself get too close to her and he could even be trying to push her away a little by testing out what happens if he slips back into that, figuring she’ll walk away and all will be right again for Charming and his little girl, but BAM, she throws it back at it and lays one on him. So really, WHO KNOWS without the context.
There’s a reason that Emma and Killian are such kindred spirits and understand each other so well. She sees a side of him that nobody else sees because it is JUST AS PAINFUL for him to let people see it as it is for her. She is watching him be the man she thought was underneath it all along (she called him out on his tattoo on the beanstalk and came THIS close to trusting him but being afraid she would be wrong again). She’s seeing him do things FOR HER that he has no reason to do. He’s helping her father who doesn’t even like him most of the time and she mentions that too. That’s why it’s such a genuine “Thank you” from her which THROWS HIM OFF KILTER. So he slips back into what is comfortable. What he knows. Hmm, I wonder who that reminds me of. Couldn’t be Emma…*headdesk*
It’s so much easier to be awkward and flirty the way that Hook is when nobody takes you seriously because of the persona you are showing to people. You can say whatever you please and at best they just roll their eyes and walk away. The fact that Emma didn’t back down but DISHED IT RIGHT BACK AT HIM? He LOVES that. He probably figured he’d at least get one of her cute eye rolls and that would be that but instead he brought out her feistyness and sass to the point where she was teasing him as much as he was teasing her and she STILL had an opportunity to shut it down. He let her control ALL of it. He never reached for her until she was already kissing him. She could have even gotten right up close like she was going to kiss him and then pulled away just to shut him up. She didn’t. She went in for a huge, long, breath-stealing kiss that affected BOTH of them.
Yep, she must really hate him and everything he does even when he’s acting more like Hook with his silly flirting that she can’t REMOTELY see through even though she knows it’s a wall just like hers. She’s already outright told him that they understand each other. She GETS it. She has SEEN him be more Killian than Hook. *headdesk*
Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.
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