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I agree with everyone about that adorable picture! Colin just seems like the nicest guy! So I guess we’ll be seeing Hook in Storybrooke!!! That behind-the-scenes picture looks like Hook is possibly assisting Emma with some important sheriff-y stuff. This is why I don’t think they’re holding hands…as much as I would LOVE that! Emma seems to be very professional when she’s doing her job. I feel like when her red jacket is on she’s all business. So if they are officially a couple by this point (*fingers crossed*), I doubt she’d allow any public displays of affection on the job. I really hope I’m wrong about that though. I wonder if Hook might help Emma at the station, since she’s basically the only person who works there. He doesn’t strike me as the 9-5 type, but I bet he’ll want to spend as much time with Emma as he can. I really can’t wait to see what happens with them!
[adrotate group="5"]Emma agreed to let Regina rip out the lost boys heart. Killian had to watch Milah’s heart be ripped out in front of him, so I can’t imagine that he approves of the practice. How is he going to feel towards Emma for her part in the heart ripping out?
That is a very good question. I’d imagine that Hook would be angry with her for letting Regina do that, but hopefully he’d understand that it wasn’t done with evil intentions behind it. It was so they could get word to Henry that they were coming for him.
But back to my Milah theories, she came into his life when he was at the high point to pirating. It seems to me that she was better for his bad side. Like the Rumple/Cora/Belle relationships. Cora/Milah brought out the bad, and Belle/Emma bring out the good.
OMG, I love this analysis. Another beautiful parallel with Rumbelle. It’s true with CS. Emma makes Hook want to be a better person. Everything he’s done since the finale when he came back, all of it has been for Emma. Even Charming acknowledged in this past episode that Hook is there because for her.
And Hook recognizes that this is what separates Emma from Milah. He knows Emma and that she would never abandon her son, even for him. He saw her fight like hell to get back to him in Enchanted Forest and she’s still fighting for him in Neverland.
Another thing that is parallel to Milah, was that Hook lost her because her heart was ripped out in front of him. Surely his worst fear is losing someone the same way. Who better for him to be with than Emma, who CAN’T have her heart ripped out??
I have a feeling once this little thing comes to light, it’ll be Killian’s breaking point. The heart thing, it’s what he hates and fears the most. Knowing that Emma can’t die the same way Milah did and trust me this – this will be at a high point in his relationship with Emma — it’s going to be very emotional for him.
Neal and Hook have both been told by someone that they cannot be with Emma, and both reacted differently. Pinocchio/August told him that he couldn’t be with her because she was the savior and she had a mission to complete. Then he held the fact that if he did decide to stick with her, that he would have to face his father. And what did Neal do? He ran away and left Emma and eventually even found someone else.
Then we have Hook. Both Charming and Pan have both said he will never have Emma this season. Charming said he couldn’t have her, and Hook didn’t back down. He told Charming all he had to do was wait for him to die and he would be out of the way, but he saved him instead. Then Peter Pan said that Emma would never be with him, and attempted to break him down by calling him a drunk and a pirate. But Killian did not back down.
Yup.
@karlsjr – welcome to the thread!!!! *passes over rum*
karlsjr wrote: Emma agreed to let Regina rip out the lost boys heart. Killian had to watch Milah’s heart be ripped out in front of him, so I can’t imagine that he approves of the practice. How is he going to feel towards Emma for her part in the heart ripping out?
That is a very good question. I’d imagine that Hook would be angry with her for letting Regina do that, but hopefully he’d understand that it wasn’t done with evil intentions behind it. It was so they could get word to Henry that they were coming for him.
I for one DON’T hold it against Emma that she ripped out Devin’s heart. She has always walked in moral shades of grey, and she means Devin no harm. She’s just doing what she said she would do – stomaching the use of a villains skills in order to save Henry.
Since Killian ripped out Aurora’s heart to achieve his own ends, he can hardly be angry Emma for doing the same thing, as it was for far purer motives. And he knows better than anyone the lengths she’ll go to for her son – she left him chained up at the top of a beanstalk after all. And that was because she was going against her own instincts.
And we have to remember that even Snow approved of the heart-ripping plan in the end (but that scene was soooo intense it was crazy) and she is the epitomy of goodness (despite the Cora blip lol).
karlsjr wrote: But back to my Milah theories, she came into his life when he was at the high point to pirating. It seems to me that she was better for his bad side. Like the Rumple/Cora/Belle relationships. Cora/Milah brought out the bad, and Belle/Emma bring out the good.
OMG, I love this analysis. Another beautiful parallel with Rumbelle. It’s true with CS. Emma makes Hook want to be a better person. Everything he’s done since the finale when he came back, all of it has been for Emma. Even Charming acknowledged in this past episode that Hook is there because for her.
I have to say I love this analysis too! BUT it has been assumed that Killian was truly in love with Milah so it doesn’t parallel Cora/Rumple directly. Although i’m finding it harder and harder to believe that Killian and Milah were TL.
On the drinking thing, I’m finding it so interesting. I think Pan has actually caused Killian’s drinking problem (weird, I know) but the line
Have a drink. You know it always helps you think.
seriously creeped me out. I’m wondering if Pan isn’t somehow keeping Killian’s rum flask filled somehow using the magic of Neverland. Or maybe Killian BELIEVES (as we know belief is a big thing this season) he needs the drink and thus the flask is refilling itself. I don’t know. It may never be resolved.
Keeper of Captain Swan's first kiss
I was surprised we got a kiss so soon into S3- I was worried at 1st (like this was our ‘treat’ before going all out SwanFire, but that doesnt seem to be the case & I’m still hoping for a Captain Swan endgame.
Hello! To be honest after 3×02 I fully expected the kiss. Once I watched 3×02 again with my “analysis” goggles on and combined with things JMo had said in an interview I was pretty sure we were to expect it. And I wasn’t disappointed!
It’s so funny, because we’re told over and over again that we overanalyse everything and yet we’ve been right nearly all of the time. I wasn’t officially part of the fandom in season 2 but I did predict that Hook would act like a hero in 2×22, ESPECIALLY after fighting Malificent in “The Evil Queen” because fighting dragons (she wasn’t technically a dragon but whatever) is ALWAYS the mark of a hero. ALWAYS.
*whispers* Captain Swan is definitely endgame and you don’t need to worry because from week to week all the clues/signs point that way 😉 and even though Neal is coming back and there will be a drama stuffstorm that doesn’t make it any less true!!!
Keeper of Captain Swan's first kiss
I had this interesting thought I wanted to run by my fellow shipmates. What if Pan forces Emma into a sleeping curse which as we know requires true love’s kiss to break. So then at that point either Hook or Neal’s kiss will be what saves her?!
Hello! To be honest after 3×02 I fully expected the kiss. Once I watched 3×02 again with my “analysis” goggles on and combined with things JMo had said in an interview I was pretty sure we were to expect it. And I wasn’t disappointed! It’s so funny, because we’re told over and over again that we overanalyse everything and yet we’ve been right nearly all of the time. I wasn’t officially part of the fandom in season 2 but I did predict that Hook would act like a hero in 2×22, ESPECIALLY after fighting Malificent in “The Evil Queen” because fighting dragons (she wasn’t technically a dragon but whatever) is ALWAYS the mark of a hero. ALWAYS. *whispers* Captain Swan is definitely endgame and you don’t need to worry because from week to week all the clues/signs point that way
and even though Neal is coming back and there will be a drama stuffstorm that doesn’t make it any less true!!! Yeah, I agree, to a point I expected the kiss because JMo said she was going to lol & we all know she wouldnt ‘kiss’ David lol- I just didnt expect it so soon, but boy did it do us & the Princess Bride nods proud- it has to “Rate” if not the best kiss on OUaT to date, then at least the “most passionate” kiss we’ve had so far 😉
I also agree all the clues point to CaptainSwan as end game (but not in a SwanQueen/its just us CS fans seeing what we want to see- if that makes sense?!), it’s just hard sometimes because it is disney we are dealing with (as a platform) & I’m hoping Adam & Eddy dont go all ‘bio family’ only = happy ever after, for main character Emma.
The biggest thing for me, which makes me very hopeful of CS as endgame, is Neal just isnt that likable most the time (IMO)- I just cant connect or sympathize with him as a character, which has to be done on purpose surely?!
I mean they have the character make the ‘easy’ choices, which usually cause others some sort of suffering in the end, but as the plot link above said, we have no real Neal centric plot, outside of his effects on others with-in the story, so it doesn’t exactly endear him to you (although he has his fanbase I know!) I totally Love little Bae- he’s awesome, so Neal has to be written that way on purpose- it seems a total disconnect…. I mean, I even get why Milah did what she did (I dont approve of how she went about it, but I get why she did it- Adam & Eddy made sure to point out exactly why she did what she did- which put Hook in a better light come to think of it), which is more than I can say for Neal at this point in time.
Maybe it’s just because I really dont feel someone carrying the amount of emotional scaring/damage that Emma has been shown as having, from what happened between her relationship with Neal (no matter what Neal’s intentions- I’m simply talking about what Emma FELT, Thought & lived for over a decade), should have it all magically swept away enough, that they can then go live ‘happily ever after’- there are simply some wounds that are just to deep/ have done too much damage, for to long, for one to ever ‘get over it’ with that person, in order to have the level of trust & vulnerability that TL &/or “happy ever after” requires IMO.
I will point out that I think forgiving her parents for sending her through the wardrobe, is very different to what Neal did- I dont see them as being the same at all, other than both causing her emotional damage- her parents had no idea what the out come of her growing up would be, it wasnt something they foresaw or could control, they just knew she would live & come to save them all (so I think her forgiving them for doing that is a given- it’s something she might do too, if it meant saving Henry & thousands of lives), however Neal knew what he was doing, knew how damaged she was from feeling unloved & abandoned, yet still did what he did anyway, despite how it would affect Emma (that’s not something I can see Emma choosing to do to someone when there are other options).
Lol- yes Neal coming back will = a massive “stuff storm” , I’m actually fine with that (I wont like it, but I’m fine with it)- as I say Emma needs to thrash things out with Neal & either try again or not with him, in order for her to lay that part of her life to rest, accept it & move on with more healthy relationships 🙂
I will try to have more confidence in the writers & creators- so far they are pushing CS as a good thing for Hook & I hope soon for Emma too, I think when I see Emma starting to open up & trust more around Hook/Killian, I will be 100% confident about the creators & writers doing our CS as endgame.
I had this interesting thought I wanted to run by my fellow shipmates. What if Pan forces Emma into a sleeping curse which as we know requires true love’s kiss to break. So then at that point either Hook or Neal’s kiss will be what saves her?!
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. This is not what I want for her. I want her to make the choice. Maybe that’s just me?? I’ve seen this thought floating around before and i really dislike it.
Now, AFTER she makes the choice i’d be happy for a curse to be broken via TLK, because we know who’ll break it hehe. But not before she chooses.
I also agree all the clues point to CaptainSwan as end game (but not in a SwanQueen/its just us CS fans seeing what we want to see- if that makes sense?!), it’s just hard sometimes because it is disney we are dealing with (as a platform) & I’m hoping Adam & Eddy dont go all ‘bio family’ only = happy ever after, for main character Emma.
No it’s not just us seeing what we want to see haha! There are a lot of normal fans out there rooting for CS (I have a friend who likes them, but she rolls her eyes at my obsession, they’re not like us crazy shippers hehe), but most people just don’t enter the actual fandom. For instance on the OUAT facebook page, the “Good Form” post got 120,000+ likes and the CS kiss got 60,000+ likes! This is compared to “Nasty Habits” post which got 30/40k likes. I think we know what the fans want! Lol. Anyway, ultimately, most people are interpreting Emma’s HE to be Killian rather than Neal. It’s clear from the numbers.
No way are A+E going to go with the whole cliche “happy family” trope. No way. And people forget, that even if SF IS endgame (lol) then Regina is left out. I don’t think that’s fair. Anyway, look at Mulan’s current storyline – her character at the moment is FAR outside Disney norms. So no, they won’t necessarily go with the traditional route.
The biggest thing for me, which makes me very hopeful of CS as endgame, is Neal just isnt that likable most the time (IMO)- I just cant connect or sympathize with him as a character, which has to be done on purpose surely?!
Oh definitely. As far as i’m concerned, if they can make me like Rumple then they can make me like Neal if they want to. But they don’t. He’s little more than a plot device (see previous page for a link to an essay discussing this) to create angst and be an obstacle to Captain Swan. Honestly, we haven’t even had ONE backstory episode for him, where it just focuses on him, the father of Henry, and we’re supposed to think he and Emma are TL? No. It would take a heck of a lot of character development for Neal for me to accept a SF endgame, which I don’t believe the current plot allows for.
To be honest, i’ve said it before, but this “triangle” to me is nothing more than a big, thick black line between Emma and Killian, and broken lines connecting both of them to Neal. I don’t think they’re going to drag it out, it’s not The Vampire Diaries or anything where the storyline relies on a triangle. It would drag the whole plot down if it goes on too long. So i think it’s going to be dealt with fully this season, and Emma will choose Killian.
Maybe it’s just because I really dont feel someone carrying the amount of emotional scaring/damage that Emma has been shown as having, from what happened between her relationship with Neal (no matter what Neal’s intentions- I’m simply talking about what Emma FELT, Thought & lived for over a decade), should have it all magically swept away enough, that they can then go live ‘happily ever after’- there are simply some wounds that are just to deep/ have done too much damage, for to long, for one to ever ‘get over it’ with that person, in order to have the level of trust & vulnerability that TL &/or “happy ever after” requires IMO.
YES.
I will point out that I think forgiving her parents for sending her through the wardrobe, is very different to what Neal did- I dont see them as being the same at all, other than both causing her emotional damage- her parents had no idea what the out come of her growing up would be, it wasnt something they foresaw or could control, they just knew she would live & come to save them all (so I think her forgiving them for doing that is a given- it’s something she might do too, if it meant saving Henry & thousands of lives), however Neal knew what he was doing, knew how damaged she was from feeling unloved & abandoned, yet still did what he did anyway, despite how it would affect Emma (that’s not something I can see Emma choosing to do to someone when there are other options).
YES. Completely agree that they’re two different situations.
However,I do believe that Emma will forgive Neal, but that doesn’t mean that trust is INSTANTLY restored, or ever will be. If it was me, no way.
Lol- yes Neal coming back will = a massive “stuff storm” , I’m actually fine with that (I wont like it, but I’m fine with it)- as I say Emma needs to thrash things out with Neal & either try again or not with him, in order for her to lay that part of her life to rest, accept it & move on with more healthy relationships
I actually can’t wait for the “triangle”. It’s going to hurt, sure. But in the end, in Emma’s eyes, only one of them will be found wanting, and it won’t be Killian 🙂
I will try to have more confidence in the writers & creators- so far they are pushing CS as a good thing for Hook & I hope soon for Emma too, I think when I see Emma starting to open up & trust more around Hook/Killian, I will be 100% confident about the creators & writers doing our CS as endgame.
To be honest the fact that Emma kissed Killian at all is proof that he is good for her. It’s been so long since she kissed someone she had feelings for, let someone in. And Killian is the one who inspired Emma to trust again. So it’s already a good thing for her in my eyes!
INFINITY% CONFIDENCE 😉 if they’re not endgame I will cut off my right hand, lol.
Keeper of Captain Swan's first kiss
@ Captain Eala – WOW, was that really the stats of the FB page for Good Form & the Kiss! (I have kept off of all but 2 or 3 trusted sites/pages since there was so much Hook bashing going on before the season started & I got sick of it all). That is amazing & pretty much shows what most the fans/viewers want, so that to me is even more of an indicator than anything else- they’d risk loosing a massive chuck of the fandom by resolving Hook/Killian with a side character & phasing him out (my worst nightmare for the show- I LOVE Hook/Killian lol).
You also make a good point with Mulan too- I do wonder if she will end up Bi-sexual though, or if we have pretty much seen the last of FTL (aside from Robin) characters for a while/altogether (since Jamie is a regular/main character on another show) & unless everyone goes back to FTL there is probably little point in telling their stories anymore.
Yes I read that essay & totally agree with it too & I wont complain if CS is an ‘unofficial’ item this season or next 😉 I do feel Hook/Killian should be there for her in the best friend role, if they dont further the CS plot this season, at least then no one could say it’s just a ‘fling’ for Hook…. Or Emma.
Oh yes, I totally agree Emma will forgive Neal- but forgiveness & opening her heart, giving all her trust, faith & love for TL or a ‘HEA’ to the person who wounded her so deeply, are 2 very different things IMO. The 1st simply requires acceptance &/or understanding of past actions, that wont be held over the other person (it doesnt negate the damage done), the 2nd requires a level of trust & faith in the other party, that I just dont personally see as plausible for Emma.
I guess I REALLY want Emma to have love like Snowing has (not the same as Snowing- although now I actually think about it CS & Snowing situations & even characters to a certain extent, are VERY similar lol), but the same depth & loyalty from her eventual partner as Snow has from Charming. I just really feel she deserves it & Killian fits that bill exactly!
LOL- yes well I hope to be that confident soon too lol 😉
Questions: (sorry its off topic, but it is for the topic). Why when I submit a post does it refresh back to pg 1- Is it just me or is that normal now? & how do we spoiler tag now? I’m so confused lol
Questions: (sorry its off topic, but it is for the topic). Why when I submit a post does it refresh back to pg 1- Is it just me or is that normal now? & how do we spoiler tag now? I’m so confused lol
Hi Surayya. I wasn’t sure if any of the regular CSers were around to answer you, and this sorta falls under my jurisdiction. (Forgive the intrusion, CSers)
For spoiler tags: please see this forum help thread for a how-to on spoilers. It’s very simple and just requires you to learn a simple BBCode.
As for the back to page one issue. It happens to all threads that are over 100 pages in length. I have absolutely no idea why, I wish I did cause it’s annoying.
Ok! Carry on 🙂
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