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@ Captain Eala – I actually meant Neal’s character is major to/played a major role in, who/how Emma is now- not that he is a major character (atm) 🙂
Hey, I don’t disagree with you on what the degree of Neal’s plot or character is at this point, but I wont rule out his playing a much larger role AFTER having established Hook as a viable love interest (this is a little of where my concern lies).
Now this is just My Own Personal take on the matter- If you think about it logically (without shipping goggles on 😉 ), they set Emma & Neal up (a little) last season, with Snow telling Emma how it would ‘look’ if she pursued the Tamara angle & showing a little of their history (which got some fans WANTING him to be redeemed & be HEA with Emma & Henry, in other words- MANY fans no longer had so much of a problem with how Emma felt about what happened between them & she’d ‘get over it’ eventually IF Neal tried hard enough) etc. & I KNOW the ‘I love you’ was something she said thinking she’d never see him again/he’d be dead, but we all know Emma still ‘loves’ Neal (I’m not saying it’s TL or even a healthy love), but we all know she does still have strong feelings for him- so they dont need to hammer us with that this half of the season (aside from the few nods to it we’ve had), because we already know how she feels & they have hammered us with how Neal feels this season as well (even if I think that’s been done poorly). What they do have to do, is set Hook up as a “viable” love interest NOW (yes we CS lovers saw their connection last season, but Colin broke & we didnt get to deepen that connection/relationship much at all, so Hook wasn’t the average viewers ‘obvious’ choice of character for a love triangle), which is what we have this season so far & I think that will be pushed further still yet (Many fans still have a problem with him hitting & shooting Belle- which I dont understand personally because Regina, Rumple& Cora have done the same things with magic & worse, yet get cut WAY more slack for it :/ ). So what I’m saying is we will get a lot of Hook/Emma interaction this half of the season as a matter of course- no matter what the endgame is they have in store, because we HAVE to have it for a triangle to work in the 1st place, otherwise we have 2 characters who dont really deserve her anyway.
Again, this is just how I see things as they stand now, with regards to the story telling- as I’ve already said, I dont want a SF endgame, I want CS & will be happy for A&E to pair Killian & Emma next week IF they are endgame, not if Hook is just Emma’s stepping stone to eventual SF (which I dont see happening, with the way things stand right now) 🙂
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Hey, I don’t disagree with you on what the degree of Neal’s plot or character is at this point, but I wont rule out his playing a much larger role AFTER having established Hook as a viable love interest (this is a little of where my concern lies).
But you see, IF Neal is Emma’s TL (lol) WHY (logically and without shipper goggles on) would they establish Killian as a viable love interest AT ALL? If Neal is Emma’s TL then shouldn’t he ALREADY be well established as a character by this point? They waited to introduce Neal in the episode where Emma meets Hook, and right off the bat Neal created a barrier between Captain Swan.
IF Neal is Emma’s TL then Killian shouldn‘t stand a chance. Swanfire have a plethora of obstacles to get through already, they do not need Killian in the mix. A man who loves her, will do anything for her, understands her, puts her needs above his own and will fight for her. But Captain Swan needs Neal to create angst.
Emma has KISSED Killian despite the fact that her supposed TL has just died. Kissing is a huge deal to her, it’s not something she does lightly. And we have basically been hit over the head with the fact that we’re going to get MORE kisses. And Neal is coming back in 3×06. We’re going to get more kisses DESPITE the fact that Neal, Emma’s supposed TL, will be back in the picture.
Logically it makes no sense to me that if Neal is Emma’s True Love that she would fall for Killian at all, but she has. JMo has basically said that Emma is drawn to both of them and has feelings for both. When Neal comes back into the picture, her feelings for Killian aren’t going to just disappear.
If Emma is supposedly IN TRUE LOVE with Neal, then it should be no contest. Neal would win hands down. Killian just would not figure into the equation whatsoever. It would be all about how Neal and Emma having to repair their relationship, and a mere (LOL) kiss would not affect anything.
BUT she is equally torn between the two of them, and she isn’t even in love with Killian yet. When she realises she is, this intangible triangle will be gone. I say intangible because it’s nothing more than Killian and Emma, and both having painful ties to Neal.
And then there are the spoiler pictures for 3×10 where they’re back in SB, and CS are STILL working as a team, side by side, even though Neal is around. If Neal and Emma are TL then do you really think Neal would leave her side again when *stuff* is going down? When he has already abandoned her once before and is trying to make up for it? Nah. If it’s actually a triangle, do you think Neal would allow Killian to have ANY advantage by working with Emma without Neal around? Nah.
So yeah, even if they develop Neal’s character to the moon and back in 3×12-3×22, I still won’t see him as a viable competitor to Emma’s heart. Seriously, I have no doubts as to the endgame-ness of our ship. I have complete faith in the story they’re telling.
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One thing I would be really disappointed with is if the writers don’t deal with the effect Tamara’s betrayal had on him. A+E have said that he was in love with her, fake persona or not, and that he had moved on from Emma. A common theme with SF is that they gave up on each other – Emma in Tallahassee and Neal with Tamara. They didn’t fully move on – but they did give up. That is not TL. Anyway, the fact that Neal hasn’t dealt with the whole Tamara thing and is running around professing his love for Emma irks me a lot. I don’t think Tamara has been laid to rest – Tink has her watch after all. To me that means that Neal will soon find out that his ex-fiancé is dead. He also seems to be attempting to fool himself with his reasons for letting Emma go.
Now that you mention it, I’d like to see this addressed as well. Even if Neal loves Emma now, he clearly stated to her over and over throughout much of season two that he loved Tamara. Now, maybe with Neal, he can switch on/switch off feelings like that, like a light switch but it’s not realistic at all. He was going to marry her. He fell in love with her and found Tallahassee with her.
His story is not congruent to the overall arc. He didn’t even get a proper poster, we don’t know what his NL arc is, apart from some vague “second chance” thing. But second chance at what? With Emma or with Rumple? I’m leaning towards Rumple. Because that’s the relationship that Pan attacked.
I’m leaning towards Rumple too. Bealfire was the reason Rumple needed the curse to begin with. He created it so he could come here and find his son. That’s the heart of the story. It’s a story between Rumple and his son. To me, that means Neal’s love story with Emma is secondary. Before he can even think about a relationship with her, he needs to at least try and reconcile with his dad. I just hope Rumple can take him back after the stunt he pulled in “Nasty Habits.”
Pan also has a habit of playing on people’s insecurities. Look at Emma, in Lost Girl, he played on Emma’s fear of becoming an orphan again and Henry turning away from her. With Neal, he didn’t play on Emma not loving him again. He played on Neal’s fears that his father hadn’t changed. With Hook, Pan played on his fears that Emma doesn’t truly love him but will always love Neal.
See what Pan did there? 😉
All the villains know what’s going on.
Pan also has a habit of playing on people’s insecurities. Look at Emma, in Lost Girl, he played on Emma’s fear of becoming an orphan again and Henry turning away from her. With Neal, he didn’t play on Emma not loving him again. He played on Neal’s fears that his father hadn’t changed. With Hook, Pan played on his fears that Emma doesn’t truly love him but will always love Neal. See what Pan did there?
All the villains know what’s going on. YES! I have a link to a gifset I saw today showing that very thing you’re talking about obisgirl 😉
http://colinodonorgasm.tumblr.com/post/65776298036/captain-swan-parallels-16-confronting-peter
Keeper of Captain Swan's first kiss
@ Captain Eala- I agree that the writers should address how Neal feels about Tamara’s betrayal. Let’s be honest, the SAME DAY that Neal was defending Tamara and still very much planning to marry her was the day that he told Emma he loved her. Granted, it was after Tamara shot him, but why haven’t we seen him mourn the loss of that relationship? He was so quick to confess his love to Emma after Tamara shot him, that I wonder if he ever truly loved either of those women. Do you think he is just so in love with the idea of having a family, the one thing he never truly had growing up, that he is willing to slide any woman into the girlfriend/wife role? He might care about Emma and definitely cared about Tamara, but was it “true love” for either of them, or was it Neal’s desperate attempt at having some type of family? I understand that most people desire to have a family and true love, and that is perfectly normal and wonderful. However, I would want to be loved more for who I am and not JUST because someone wants a family they never got to have. Just my opinion.
I’m still figuring out the “quote” system here. Sorry. I meant to quote Captain Eala and then write my thoughts. Hopefully, I’ll get better at this.
I agree that the writers should address how Neal feels about Tamara’s betrayal. Let’s be honest, the SAME DAY that Neal was defending Tamara and still very much planning to marry her was the day that he told Emma he loved her. Granted, it was after Tamara shot him, but why haven’t we seen him mourn the loss of that relationship? He was so quick to confess his love to Emma after Tamara shot him, that I wonder if he ever truly loved either of those women. Do you think he is just so in love with the idea of having a family, the one thing he never truly had growing up, that he is willing to slide any woman into the girlfriend/wife role? He might care about Emma and definitely cared about Tamara, but was it “true love” for either of them, or was it Neal’s desperate attempt at having some type of family? I understand that most people desire to have a family and true love, and that is perfectly normal and wonderful. However, I would want to be loved more for who I am and not JUST because someone wants a family they never got to have. Just my opinion.
I think he did love both of them, but I agree that what he wants most is a family. Completely. He wanted to be with the Darlings more than anything. He must have spent his 300 years in NL thinking about them, longing for what was with them. Then he meets Emma and he wants to settle down with her. He meets Tamara, falls in love and wants to get married. He went to SB for Henry, not for Emma or Rumple. He asked Tamara to come to SB. He told Tamara everything about his past so that she wouldn’t find out on her own, which is more than he gave Emma.
I hope he finds his HE… but with Emma? …. no.
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oncemusicfan and Eala – I have a feeling that we won’t see Neal mentioning Tamara ever again. Which is a huge error from the writers in my mind. I would have liked to see Neal at least once thinking about Tamara and his love for her. And I think you may have a point there oncemusicfan. It seems as though he didn’t really love both women, Emma and Tamara. But he wanted to marry Tamara and the minute she betrays him he tells Emma he loves her?!? I’m sorry but that’s not what I think love is. The portal scene with Emma and Neal in 2×21 seemed rushed to me, actually. Their conversation on the beach was very real on the other hand and showed that they both pretty much moved on. I really really hope that Neal finds his Happy Ending for the sake of Baelfire – he deserves it!
oncemusicfan wrote: I agree that the writers should address how Neal feels about Tamara’s betrayal. Let’s be honest, the SAME DAY that Neal was defending Tamara and still very much planning to marry her was the day that he told Emma he loved her. Granted, it was after Tamara shot him, but why haven’t we seen him mourn the loss of that relationship? He was so quick to confess his love to Emma after Tamara shot him, that I wonder if he ever truly loved either of those women. Do you think he is just so in love with the idea of having a family, the one thing he never truly had growing up, that he is willing to slide any woman into the girlfriend/wife role? He might care about Emma and definitely cared about Tamara, but was it “true love” for either of them, or was it Neal’s desperate attempt at having some type of family? I understand that most people desire to have a family and true love, and that is perfectly normal and wonderful. However, I would want to be loved more for who I am and not JUST because someone wants a family they never got to have. Just my opinion.
I think he did love both of them, but I agree that what he wants most is a family. Completely. He wanted to be with the Darlings more than anything. He must have spent his 300 years in NL thinking about them, longing for what was with them. Then he meets Emma and he wants to settle down with her. He meets Tamara, falls in love and wants to get married. He went to SB for Henry, not for Emma or Rumple. He asked Tamara to come to SB. He told Tamara everything about his past so that she wouldn’t find out on her own, which is more than he gave Emma. I hope he finds his HE… but with Emma? …. no.
I agree.
I can see how people would think that but I don’t see it that way. I want her to make a conscious choice. I want her to struggle over letting him in, letting down her walls completely to him. I want to see both of them come to depend on each other emotionally, and in all other ways. I don’t want to see Emma’s “choice” being made in the form of TLK. I really don’t, because the writers have emphasised to us so much Emma’s choice has been taken away from her so many times, and that she hates that. And TLK would be another way of taking away her conscious choice. Ugh, the thought of Neal and Killian queuing up over her cursed body to kiss her – just ugh. UGH. I don’t like it. Sorry, that’s just my opinion…. Anyway choice is a CS theme – “I’d pick you” “You chose her”. To solve her TL dilemma via curse would be completely taking away from that theme, which I don’t believe the writers will do.
I can can see it from your point of view too, I guess I had been seeing the sleeping curse as Emma making the ultimate choice of sacrifice just like Snow and Henry did. Emma would have to give herself up to the curse for it to work. (I also have this Peter Pan as the Sandman theory things would sort of fit nicely with). For whatever reason she makes the conscious choice to accept the curse. To me having Emma’s curse only broken by one of them says that even if the hadn’t admitted it to each other that they have chosen each other. The kiss is dependent on them choosing each other as their true love at that point all doubt would basically be removed.
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