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I too love that winner & runner up pics this week are CS based- thanks for sharing 🙂
Very interesting reading on the Neal link:
The problem is that Neal suffers from his father’s delusion that the rest of the world will stop and rewind so that you can fix something. It’s hilarious to realize this when you also watch him scold his father for the very same train of thought. He wants his father to go so far as forget the name he was born with to make a statement that he’s a new person and has shed the skin of his past. But with Emma, he wants to pick up where they left off and simply mend the broken piecs of their lives. Fighting for Emma is Neal’s version of Rumple trying to offer to make Neal 14 again. No one wants that.
THIS!!! So this! This is the largest downside of the entire SF/ST (whatever they call themselves lol) ship, yet it almost the entire backbone (from what I can gather) of their argument for their ship?!
I do think it interesting that a Nealfire fan see’s this, it means (IMO), she WANTS whats BEST for the character she loves most, (much like us wanting whats best for Emma &/Or Killian), not some weird forced relationship that is supposed to come off as TL or something like it :/
I think that’s why he is so intent on defending Tamara to Emma up until hard evidence comes in the picture (in the form of a bullet….). He doesn’t want to make the same mistake twice. He wants to fight for Tamara like he should have fought for Emma.
Very interesting observation here & one I totally agree with. It makes perfect sense.
The problem with Neal’s decision to fight for Emma NOW is that she’s not that same person that she was back when they were together. But Neal is so hyper focused on his perspective of their lives and of their love that he is stunted and unable to see that what he’s doing is actually hurting her. What he wants, ultimately, is her happiness, but he’s unable to see the way that she needs to get there. Instead, he can only see the option of how he can get her there, and that’s just not how it works.
I totally agree with this too…. funny how it is a Neal fan who is able to decipher the Neal code for those of use who ‘dont get him’, yet actually agrees with what we’ve been saying about the over all SF/ST situation all a long lol
This has actually shed a little light on Neal’s thoughts & actions for me- I still dont like him, but I do understand his motivations a little better now 🙂
[adrotate group="5"]Captain Eala wrote: Killian has already had a ride in a car before with Charming but i imagine that was the most awkward car ride ever lololol.
Yes but in that case Killian had to have his ‘big bad, pirate’ face on
It’s not like he’d say ‘Are you sure it’s safe, mate?’ or ‘What magic is this? Where are the horses?’ LOL at least with Emma, he can let his guard down 
YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW BADLY I WANT THIS I AM A MILD ICHABBIE SHIPPER BUT I REALLY WANT SCENES WITH CAPTAIN SWAN LIKE ICHABBIE SCENES
I LOVE Sleepy Hollow & still LOL over the whole Doughnut/tax thing- Its fantastic 😀 I’m on the fence between Katrina & Abbie thing at this stage- I’m not yet shipping anyone there 🙂
MORE KILLING FEELINGS IS THAT ONE OF YOURS? *sniffles*
No I haven’t tried to make videos yet just pics and fanfics for now but I’m going video crazy on tumbr and I’m finding so many good ones 🙂
Man this thread has been hopping since I posted last night! It’s been a busy day but I agree with what you all have said and only have a little to add!
It DOES look like Hook is holding the door open for Emma (always the gentleman!) and she is wearing a skirt & heels – very very interesting! It could be one of the quieter moments / or perhaps lead to some cliffhanger with them leaving to go somewhere but then, wouldn’t Emma be dressed more sensibly? I’m confused at this idea for that reason alone.
As to whether it’s 3×11 or 3×12, it *should* be 3×11 but since that’s a cliffhanger episode, being a mid-season finale, ESPECIALLY with a long (*sobs uncontrollably*) break before 3×12, there might be *some* things that are filmed a little for 3×12 if they happen immediately after something in 3×11 where they might be worried about continuity.
Since one of the spoiler pics shows that we were pretty much right about Ginny as she DEFINITELY looks pregnant now, I would imagine if they needed SNOW for something, they’re more likely to have that happen earlier as opposed to later (she can only wear big coats and hide behind Charming and/or things for so long especially since it sounds like they’ll tie it into the show since Snow said she wants a baby. I’m envisioning that we’re gonna have to have a bit of a time jump at some point to explain Snow, so it’s possible whatever this was was a continuation of a 3×11 thing and then it jumps a bit over the hiatus maybe? In the past we’ve picked up where we left off quite frequently but since they don’t get back to Storybrooke til near the mid-season finale, they’ll have to account for Snow’s pregnancy somehow or there’s no point in actually writing it in, it’s just a matter of when they time jump. Otherwise they will just have to keep hiding Ginny somehow and then eventually they’ll use it but then she’d have to be fake-pregnant which kinda destroys the writing it in in the first place. Just my 2 cents on that matter.
I don’t know what it’s like to be on set and how much people can see / hear or who might be feeding them the information but if people are sure that was 3×12 stuff then that’s interesting cause I think Adam tweeted they were still on 3×11. I’m sure they’ll continue to be filming and wrapped up around the same time as always, even with the split season.
So excited about the possibility that our ship will be spending some quality time together alone in a car! NO IDEA where they would be going that they’d need it, most of the time people walk through town but bonding time is bonding time and it shows that Emma is still very comfortable with Hook around and that he’s still by her side no matter what! Also it would be kind of weird for her to be off alone with him in her car if she’s with Neal so…signs are pointing to last episode holding true, at least by the end of the mid-season which is good for us too.
I really really think that Hook reads Emma so well and he’ll be paying extra close attention to how Emma is around Neal and there’s no way that he’ll let himself get his hopes up to the point where he’s completely blind to reading her. So if she does for whatever reason try to convince herself to move on but hasn’t finished up the past yet…I really don’t see Hook jumping into something with her, especially with the complicated CSF history at play, because he’d know it wasn’t real and that would hurt him even more. So if they do something, it’ll be because he genuinely believes she’s moved on. After all, he didn’t say she was in love with him after the kiss. He told Pan that he thinks she’s STARTING TO SEE HIM FOR WHO HE REALLY IS. Big difference. It means there’s a chance. He has hope, but he’s not unrealistic about it. Couple that with what HE thinks about the Neal situation right now and we’ve got obstacles but it looks like that should be ironed out to a point at least by the time they’re alone in the bug!
So if these two are together, or sorta together, or almost together I fully expect it to be resolved as much as possible before that happens. Otherwise it’s just two friends who haven’t figured out their feelings yet but are working on something together which still lends itself heavily to CS!
As for Neal standing close to Emma in some of the recent pictures. Unless I haven’t found them all yet (entirely possible, been a busy day), the ones I recall from yesterday – Neal and Emma both crouching over Regina (along with Henry, and Belle being closeby, including Neal putting an arm up to shield Belle and stay close to her, the only picture I can think of that was Neal standing close to Emma had Henry in the middle of the group and it was Emma and Neal with Regina standing in the middle and all of them holding on to Henry. So I’m not sure based off of that and then the fact that Emma and Hook are alone in her bug why we would need to concern ourselves about them being together at this point because the odds of Emma going off with Hook alone while she’s with Neal are slim to none, ESPECIALLY in that bug because you know Neal will have a very strong opinion on that.
As has been stated many times which went along with my bug/ship meta last night, as far as I’m concerned, their methods of transportation are way more closely associated with the character than a relationship. Both have painful memories involving first loves and yes, we have more reason to be attached to the bug with Neal than we do the ship with Milah because we didn’t see much of them together (though she did die there) but relatively speaking, 300+ years and a decade+ made it their own thing and more closely tied to the character than the ship.
Saying that Hook can’t ride in Emma’s bug EVER UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES is like saying that Neal can never approach Emma in the diner because Hook and Emma had an important scene there. Objects are easier to assign to one or the other and I totally get why that is considered a HUGE object, but I can’t imagine asking Killian to get rid of his ship, much less asking Emma to get rid of her bug so that they don’t EVER share it with a future relationship. At this point they’re just too tied in with the characters themselves, even with the history there involving Milah or Neal. Fitting, since they will always be a part of them no matter where they go or what they do or whether or not they ever hold on to any keepsake from that time including things that aren’t exactly keepsakes. (Emma gave him back the keychain/necklace that came with the car, but she kept her home/method of transportation – similar to Hook having the ship beforehand and keeping it even when tragedy struck him there not once but twice. He lost Liam there too remember? The history isn’t always JUST about the relationship but about what else it represents for them. In both cases it’s a reminder of how SUDDENLY and QUICKLY and WITHOUT A GOODBYE people will LEAVE you whether they “want to” or not and it fits for both characters.)
I hate that it comes to this though. I want new memories in new places with things that are ours and just ours. That isn’t going to stop me from being excited about Hook spending time in Emma’s bug though! Cause the bug isn’t the only thing she’s sharing with her new love. She’s sharing herself too, and at the end of the day, THAT is what will upset people. It’s a sign she’s moving forward and she must not be thinking of it in those terms if she’s going places alone with Hook, dressed like that, and without Neal around.
I really expected to get a conversation about it sometime, probably stemming from Neal. Or possibly Emma, if we get more deep conversations between her and Hook about their pasts and coming to terms with them. I love that our ship actually asks the questions and makes an effort to get to know each other and who they are NOW vs who they once were ages ago. They read each other so well and they dig when they have to but they also know when NOT to push and just find out when the other is ready to give more information. Such kindred spirits!
Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.
I love that our ship actually asks the questions and makes an effort to get to know each other and who they are NOW vs who they once were ages ago. They read each other so well and they dig when they have to but they also know when NOT to push and just find out when the other is ready to give more information. Such kindred spirits!
Agreed, I think that is a very important part of Killian’s character, the desire to allow one to choose for themselves, without forcing the issue 🙂
Something I can’t even believe I forgot in my metas about the whole bug situation that was just brought to my attention by the wonderful people on tumblr.
So many were cheering for the SF moment of Neal being on the Jolly Roger WITH EMMA (and Henry) when it was HOOK’S ship so her first memory of the Jolly Roger was with Neal too (as well as Hook’s memories including Liam and Milah), but now they’re up in arms about Emma actually LETTING (not Hook stealing) but LETTING Hook get into her bug?
I get that the bug is a huge SF icon which is why I HATE THIS because I’d rather find something that is all ours, but at the same time we already had a SF moment on the Jolly Roger when that should be with Hook, so it’s more of an even thing now for Hook to be in Emma’s bug – and he’s actually there with her permission!
This whole situation sucks. I can’t imagine what poor Adam is dealing with right now based on all the spoilers out of Steveston. Bet he’s wishing they were back in the studios instead. It must be exciting for people to be on set and see things and meet people but I really hate that so many spoilers get released (even though I can’t seem to stay away from them!)
I’d much rather work on a week to week basis with clues and hints but now we have weeks to work out headcanons and either be thrilled or heartbroken based on what various things actually mean. We have NO idea what is really going on with that bug scene but I very greatly doubt that they’re trying to romanticize the bug as a CS thing now unless it’s to show in a really weird way that Emma is totally over Neal and doesn’t remotely think of him with the car anymore. Neal is always something that will be in their shared past and is in their lives now but I’d really prefer if their more romantic moments could take place well away from anything remotely associated with SF other than Emma herself. Sadly, they MUST NEED to go somewhere and it is Emma’s only method of transportation unless she wants to borrow Daddy!Charming’s truck, and since they’re on land, the Jolly Roger isn’t going to help. It’s not like Hook’s vehicle is an option, whether it’s for a date or not.
I’m inclined to think that even if they ARE together by that point – which I’m really not sure about…being this close to mid-season when they finally get back I’m not sure how much time Emma will have had to process much of anything and I want it made *crystal clear* that Neal is in the past and that she’s not going back. I’d seriously rather her *try* with Neal and show all the longing looks with Hook than watch it happen in reverse because I just can’t watch Killian like that and I don’t buy it for a second. Going back and trying something with Neal and then realizing that Hook is the better option is fine, but if she IS with Hook, then it better be pretty darn obvious that the past is the past and I think it will be.
This past episode was a huge start, but a lot has to happen over the next few before I’ll get my hopes up for it being a date date. Still can’t figure out why she’s wearing that or where they might be going, but I hope that even seeing them be in the bug, that it’s only for a few moments to show how they got from point A to point B and then have whatever THEIR moment is be far away from that. That would make me very happy actually.
I’ll be shocked if we don’t ever see a conversation between Neal and Emma about the bug but I also feel like it was something that was cut ages ago because surely he’s noticed the bug in town before… I’m sure he’d resent her spending time in it with anyone else but he GAVE IT TO HER and then ABANDONED HER and NEVER PLANNED ON COMING BACK even after he knew about Henry so he has no claim to it accept reminding her of their past with it. If he pushes that I’d rather she just throw the keys at him and say if it means that much to him he can have it back! The only memories she’s attached to in that car right now are 2 years of driving around looking for him after being locked up for him and having his kid while shackled to a bed, followed by almost a decade of moving around and sometimes living in just that car, and then eventually driving Henry to SB which is the one remotely happy thing about it. But it has still been HERS for far longer than it was ever their’s, and again, even with all the pain and misery of losing Liam, and half his crew, and Milah on that boat, it is still a piece of Hook, like the bug is a piece of Emma. Milah and Neal will always be there too no matter what. But people have to move on and that includes sharing THEMSELVES with someone new which means WITH ALL THAT BAGGAGE.
*throws something* This whole thing sucks. Why can’t we have some nifty moment that doesn’t get trashed on because it relates to something SF-related? I really really hope we only see them in the bug so we know HOW they got somewhere and then we get something that is ALL CS. That’s the only way it’ll fly with anybody. Nobody seemed to mind Neal stealing the Jolly Roger to take Emma back to SB though so Emma LETTING Hook into her bug should be alright. (It won’t be, but it should be). The situations are slightly different and I get the anger, I totally do, but there’s not much she can do about it right after she gets back to SB (though I would love for her to have to ask for Daddy’s keys to the truck instead of taking her bug for a date with Killian! That would be hilarious!
It’s the elephant in the room I suppose. They’ll always have a shared connection to Neal but I’d really rather have our moments somewhere far away from where she shared moments with Neal in the past. That said, she shared a nice moment with Hook on his ship and goodness knows he actually lived there with Milah for YEARS and I’m sure we don’t want to know any more about what they did there, than Hook wants to know about what Emma did with Neal in the bug, but they are who they are, the past is the past, and as awkward and weird as things are (especially given their bizarre family situation – the tree is really getting crazy), you can either focus on the past and not let go of it, or more forward and make new memories, even in places that hold extreme HURT AND PAIN from relationships that fell apart before which, let’s face it, both the ship and the bug do just that.
Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.
I REALLY dont see Emma’s Bug as a SF thing- it was almost more payment for services rendered (like this is to make up for sending you to jail, so I dont have to feel so guilty about it). A gift is a gift, sure SF might have shared moments in it, but it is not some massive SF beacon. It is simply Emma’s mode of transport, it is not some big massive symbol of SF
Realistically, I doubt she’d be able to trade it in for something ‘better’ & lets face it- Bug’s are cool! Esp Yellow ones, so why should she lol 😉
If anything her Bug would more likely symbolize the fact that ALL she has left from her relationship with Neal was pain, the loss of her son, no hope of finding love again & that people cant be trusted- she wasnt with Neal for more than a yr, but she’s had the bug for over a decade living with all those negative emotions about Neal- so yeah, to me the Bug is just a car- nothing more, nothing less.
@ Captain Eala- Good point about Hook’s pirate clothes! I never considered them as a sort of protection for him, so I appreciate that perspective! Also, I saw that video you posted on Youtube the other day and I LOVE it! The Civil Wars is my favorite band ever, so their song PLUS CaptainSwan is just…..I HAVE NO WORDS!!!! FEELS!!!
Love the CS artwork I’m seeing! Really cool! I admire the confidence most of you guys have in this thread that CS is indeed endgame! I desperately want to believe that, but then I start reading stuff from SF shippers and I get a little nervous for my CS ship. I don’t know why. Everything we’ve seen so far indicates that Hook and Emma are meant to be….but I’m always concerned that the writers will go in a different direction. I love what they’ve done so far, and I trust that the writers are telling a great story. So hopefully, they will continue to do that and CS will be endgame! *fingers crossed*
It’s so incredibly ridiculous to claim ownership for things like Emma’s bug. Like hot chocolate and cinnamon are strictly a Charmings thing, or sharing rum is only a CS thing. That is the kind of thinking that leads to petty ‘shipper wars. And I seriously hate petty ‘shipper wars. OMG, ‘shipper wars in general can get so ridiculous.
Emma has a car. She uses it to get around, it’s a car, it’s hers and if she wants to invite Hook in it — she can do that because it’s hers.
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