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I’m just interested in the CS shipper view of this, rather than trying to cause trouble.
I’ve seen in this thread that it’s believed that a theme of CS is choice. How is Hook telling Emma that “WHEN he wins her heart” and “He WILL win it” giving Emma any semblance of choice in the matter?
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Keeper of FelixI’m just interested in the CS shipper view of this, rather than trying to cause trouble. I’ve seen in this thread that it’s believed that a theme of CS is choice. How is Hook telling Emma that “WHEN he wins her heart” and “He WILL win it” giving Emma any semblance of choice in the matter?
That’s ok, i’m happy to answer 🙂
Killian starts out with “You are going to have to make a choice.” And it’s a fact, she WILL have to. Prizes/objects cannot make choices. If Emma was just an object or a prize to be won, Emma’s decision would never figure into it – it would be about who “deserves” her more, Killian or Neal. And, Killian doesn’t think he deserves her – he thinks he’s the “worst human around” with a “rotten heart” as Belle said to him (and he agreed). He thinks of himself as a villain (as seen in 3×01). So he does not think he deserves her, but he thinks that he WILL win her heart in the end due to his honourable and selfless actions, as demonstrated most recently in 3×06.
Now, i’m going to compare this to Neal’s line from last week – because let’s be real they were supposed to be compared. Emma tells Neal that his presence causes her pain and makes it harder for her to move on, which is a choice she has made. She said she can’t change her feelings. And Neal’s response “I’ll never stop fighting for you. Never” – is essentially ignoring that choice, and over-riding her feelings.
The way I see it is that one man is saying that Emma will need to make a choice (and that is true. But at the same time, he is also implicitly stating that he will respect her choice, but that he truly believes her choice will be him) and the other man is hearing her make a choice and basically saying “ok but I don’t care I still want you”. I’m not saying Neal was malicious, but he truly did not listen to what Emma said, and I find that to be worse to be honest. I would want my partner in life to hear what I was saying.
Hope that helps!!!
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http://captainswaan.tumblr.com/post/66636890750/1×13-3×07
Er, yeah, very blatant parallel there too with the True Loves stating that someone has to make a choice.
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So I have a weird “I wonder . . .” theory that keeps coming back to me ever since we found out that Wendy was coming back at the same age we last saw her. Especially now that I feel like the “triangle” doesn’t really seem all that much like a triangle.
I know that Bae has said that he considered his “real” family to be the Darlings but it seemed like there was a bit of a spark between Bae and Wendy before he sacrificed himself to NL. I think I was always hoping that he and Wendy would somehow find each other again but given the age difference between the characters it just seems creepy now (although it must just be due to how young Freya looks because Robert is much younger than Emelie and I don’t find that creepy at all).
With PP there is a theme of never wanting to grow up and with some of the theories going around about how PP might be related to Rumple and what Rumple’s childhood backstory might be there are also some questions about potentially messing around with the aging process. And when Rumple first found Neal he told him that he had a way that he could make him 14 again so they could go back and share all the time together that they missed. Neal was, of course, angered that Rumple would even suggest this. But I wonder, would he feel the same way if he was given the option of going back and getting a “do over” with someone he doesn’t have negative issues with?
If he realizes that he and Emma really don’t have anything in common except Henry, that he doesn’t really know who Emma is now and doesn’t like her use of magic, that she isn’t going to pick him anyway, – even if he is able to reconcile with both Rumple and Killian his history with both of them is in the past because they were really father figures to him and a boy eventually grows up and leaves his father. But what if he decides that he never got a chance with Wendy and that she “could have been” his future. Would he rethink going back to being a teenager again so that he could have a future with Wendy?
I just keep thinking that many of us say that we LOVE Bae but just can’t seem to bond with Neal as much as we want to. And I have always felt like Neal just doesn’t seem to fit in with everyone else but Bae did. And it would be difficult to say that choosing to go back to being a teenager would be abandoning Henry because everyone’s age is all messed up on the show. Technically Neal is hundreds of years old so having an 11 year doesn’t make sense. And Emma’s parents are already her own age so there is already a precedent set for that. And I think it might already be consistent with what has happened in previous generations of his family.
And choosing to go back to being a teenager would give Rumple and Killian a chance to make up for the mistakes they made, and it would give Neal a second chance to heal from the wounds of his childhood.
I know this is kind if out there but it is something that keeps sneaking back up on me – especially when Wendy made the comment about Neal only being a little older than Henry when she knew him. And I just keep thinking about how . . . awkward the reunion between Bae and Wendy is going to be. It was one thing to have Tink drooling all over Bae all grown up since she is older but it will be just wrong to have Neal making eyes at a 14 year old!!!!
This also makes for an interesting turn of events for the “triangle.” And since I keep saying I haven’t seen a lot of growth in Neal yet it would make more sense to me for him to go back to being 14 again and give it a go with Wendy.
I’m just interested in the CS shipper view of this, rather than trying to cause trouble. I’ve seen in this thread that it’s believed that a theme of CS is choice. How is Hook telling Emma that “WHEN he wins her heart” and “He WILL win it” giving Emma any semblance of choice in the matter?
I’d also like to add:
He also ended it with.
“It will not because of trickery. It will be because you want me.”
In other words, the choice is still Emma’s. If she wants Hook to be there, he will continue to be there. If she wants him to back off and give her space, he’ll do that too. (He did this after their first kiss. He gave her space). Everything is about her choice. If she wants Hook, if she wants to be with him, that’s her choice.
There is nothing wrong in Hook letting her know that she will have to make a choice at some point, because the reality is, she will have to. It probably won’t happen now but once Henry is saved and they’re all back in Storybrooke, she will have to make a choice.
rumplegoldfan, I actually like that theory. Even if I don’t think it’s gonna happen I would be happy to see it. I loved Bae and Wendy together in SSTTR.
I’d also like to add:
He also ended it with. “It will not because of trickery. It will be because you want me.”
In other words, the choice is still Emma’s. If she wants Hook to be there, he will continue to be there. If she wants him to back off and give her space, he’ll do that too. (He did this after their first kiss. He gave her space). Everything is about her choice. If she wants Hook, if she wants to be with him, that’s her choice. There is nothing wrong in Hook letting her know that she will have to make a choice at some point, because the reality is, she will have to. It probably won’t happen now but once Henry is saved and they’re all back in Storybrooke, she will have to make a choice.
100% agreed. Yes, Killian is VERY confident (but why shouldn’t he be?), and also a bit pushy(she wasn’t ready to hear that she had to make a choice), but at the end of the day Emma DOES have to make a choice (and to be honest I think it’s already been made, lol).
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@rumplegoldfan – It won’t happen – Neal has already been faced with a choice to go back to his 14 years old self and FIRMLY shut it down. And personally, I wouldn’t want to see it. I want to SEE Neal’s character progression back to Bae, to not deny that he is Bae anymore.
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I’m hoping Wendy’s reappearance will help Neal bring out his past self as Baelfire. He’ll stop running away from that and accept, Baelfire’s is who he has always been.
On a happier note, remember Emma’s nursery? There might have been foreshadowing in there than the pirate doll.
On a happier note, remember Emma’s nursery? There might have been foreshadowing in there than the pirate doll.
OMG wow!
I have a very interesting meta here you should all read. No really, read it. My mind is blown. Again.
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Neal wouldn’t want to be 14 again anyway because of Henry.
Thanks for answering Eala, but how do you explain Hook’s sulkiness when Emma told BOTH him and Neal that the person she would choose is Henry. I agree Hook was right when he said Emma had to choose (It wouldn’t be fair for either man to be strung along)yet it did seem like he assumed Emma would end up picking him over Neal especially when he uses phrases like “When I win” and “I will win”
Also Hook’s behaviour towards Neal was very offish considering Hook is supposed to “care” for Neal. It seemed like Hook was constantly trying to assert his dominance over Neal and prove to Emma that he was the “better man” but not in the good way. It’s like Hook was trying to prove his manliness to Emma. Hook with his attitude and behaviour this episode reminded me of Gaston from Disney’s Beauty and the Beast.
What are your thoughts, Eala?
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