The Captain Swan thread!

[obisgirl]

I wasn’t offended. I read through your whole post and I think, was more confused than anything else.

[oncemusicfan]

I really don’t understand this whole shipper hate thing. It’s a bit ridiculous! As much as I love ONCE, I do realize that it’s just a show. It’s for entertainment. I don’t like the idea of generalizing people that support one couple over another. If someone does or says something completely out of line for the sake of a fictional couple, I think that says more about the individual than the actual fanbase of that couple. Just sayin’.   I don’t mind  the fact that some people don’t like CaptainSwan. You like what you like! For instance, my friend loves Swanfire and, obviously, I love CaptainSwan. It’s actually fun to be able to repectfully disagree a little bit. It’s sort of like cheering on two rival sports teams. We may not agree on who the better couple is, but at the end of the day, we know it’s a show that has no real effect on our everyday lives other than just being an AWESOME show! The fact that there are so many different opinions and perspectives is exactly what makes things interesting. If everyone agreed on everything I’m pretty sure I’d be like ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ! Haha! 🙂

[surayya]

I wasnt offended either- like obisgirl, I was more confused than anything else lol

annwyn – I think in all fairness BOTH sides of ANY ship have the problems you are pointing out- Poor Ginny copped a TON of hate for posting CS themed stuff on her own Twitter account, Adam & Eddie have like wise- week after week, received hatred for even considering CS on the show- Colin & Jen get hate thrown at them too by SF shippers.

Most CS’ers have also had Hook repeatedly bashed over the summer break, so if you ask a CS shipper/fan which ship is loudest or most in your face- we’ll probably say the opposite- SwanFires lol.

Thankfully the hate hasnt been on here & the one time it did happen it was dealt with smartly.

I dont read the SF threads myself  (I dont see the point of working myself up over another ships interpretation of events 🙂 ) I just think we should ship & let ship- always & forever 😉

[oncemusicfan]

I wasnt offended either- like obisgirl, I was more confused than anything else lol annwyn – I think in all fairness BOTH sides of ANY ship have the problems you are pointing out- Poor Ginny copped a TON of hate for posting CS themed stuff on her own Twitter account, Adam & Eddie have like wise- week after week, received hatred for even considering CS on the show- Colin & Jen get hate thrown at them too by SF shippers. Most CS’ers have also had Hook repeatedly bashed over the summer break, so if you ask a CS shipper/fan which ship is loudest or most in your face- we’ll probably say the opposite- SwanFires lol. Thankfully the hate hasnt been on here & the one time it did happen it was dealt with smartly. I dont read the SF threads myself (I dont see the point of working myself up over another ships interpretation of events ) I just think we should ship & let ship- always & forever

I agree! Again, I think this is just a reflection on the individuals throwing the hate and not each fanbase as a whole. I think you’ll find most people are pretty chill about this kind of thing. (It’s just a TV show!) But it’s difficult to focus on that because it’s not being vocalized that there are respectful  shippers out there who just enjoy shipping who they ship. And for the record, I may not always agree, but I always respect other shippers and their opinions. That is all. 🙂

[oncemusicfan]

AGH THIS GIFSET IS PAINFUL i apologise in advance for your hurt feelings! http://bloodymischa.tumblr.com/post/67503960682

 

AWWW! His face when he looks at Emma!!!! Great gif Eala!

[surayya]

surayya wrote: I wasnt offended either- like obisgirl, I was more confused than anything else lol annwyn – I think in all fairness BOTH sides of ANY ship have the problems you are pointing out- Poor Ginny copped a TON of hate for posting CS themed stuff on her own Twitter account, Adam & Eddie have like wise- week after week, received hatred for even considering CS on the show- Colin & Jen get hate thrown at them too by SF shippers. Most CS’ers have also had Hook repeatedly bashed over the summer break, so if you ask a CS shipper/fan which ship is loudest or most in your face- we’ll probably say the opposite- SwanFires lol. Thankfully the hate hasnt been on here & the one time it did happen it was dealt with smartly. I dont read the SF threads myself (I dont see the point of working myself up over another ships interpretation of events ) I just think we should ship & let ship- always & forever

I agree! Again, I think this is just a reflection on the individuals throwing the hate and not each fanbase as a whole. I think you’ll find most people are pretty chill about this kind of thing. (It’s just a TV show!) But it’s difficult to focus on that because it’s not being vocalized that there are respectful shippers out there who just enjoy shipping who they ship. And for the record, I may not always agree, but I always respect other shippers and their opinions. That is all.

Yes Agreed, especially that the vast majority of fans & shippers are respectful & chilled out, but like you say the positive stuff is almost never talked about, yet attention is almost always drawn to the negative stuff being tossed around.

Hehe- I dont  ‘always’ agree with my shipmates views on our own ship, so I dont have any problem respecting fans of other ships for their opinions either LOL 😉 That’s life & what makes things interesting IMO 🙂

 

[sweetgrass]

I wrote this for another board over a month ago.  I was waiting to add it to the tombstoned CSF thread, but since that inactive, I’ll add it here.   I may edit to update since we’ve had some serious CS moments, since I first wrote this post.

I don’t think that Neal and Emma have true love.  I see more possibility in CS

To me true love has the following characteristics:

It makes each person a better (actually it should help you become the best version of yourself while in the relationship).  When Neal and Emma were together, they both seemed to engage in more law breaking.  It seemed that Neal taught Emma how to work cons/”thieving jobs”.   I don’t see either Neal or Emma being better people in their past relationship.  While I believe that they were two lonely people and helped each other with that loneliness, I don’t see that relationship making them better people.  I don’t count Emma becoming a bail bondsperson or the saviour a direct result of that relationship.  Neal was gone when Emma took control of her life to make it better.  She did that on her own and Neal doesn’t get to claim that and if him leaving her was the only way she could accomplish those things, it only proves my point — that relationship was not true love because it wasn’t going to bring out the best in both parties when they are together.

With Hook, I do see Hook trying to become a better person and seeming to achieve that.  He is setting aside his revenge (although I think his quest  could easily be seen as a quest for justice to bring a monster that has destroyed countless lives to task and stopping that monster from destroying more lives).  He is being openly helpful and someone who provides a somewhat supportive and non-judgmental sounding board for others (so far Regina and Emma and I think in time Charming).  She has someone who can empathize with her in a way that none of the other characters can.  Emma seems a little warmer around Hook.    She needs someone who can bring fun into her life.  She needs to laugh.  Emma has a beautiful smile and Hook seems to be the one that gets her to smile.  Hook is funny and he is always complimentary to Emma.  He sees her in the best light and would help her see herself in that light. (more on this in item 3)    He is sentimental like Emma.  I know some people like to claim that Hook is only interested in adventure and try to discount him being an acceptable partner because in their eyes would value adventure over love, but I think he desperately wants a family and a place to belong, just like most of the other characters.  Emma sees that and is giving him the opportunity to belong.  That was what her speech in the finale was about.  They work well together.   Best of all,    Emma is not compromising who she is who she is or enabling Hook’s darker nature, which makes CS even better than Rumbelle to me.

True love doesn’t let you down, especially in your darkest hour.  Emma’s darkest hour was giving up Henry while she was in prison.  Neal wasn’t there.  Nothing is going to erase that.  He didn’t try to come back to her once he knew she had broken the curse.  He left her alone when she needed him the most.

Hook and Emma haven’t made to full romantic relationship status yet, but he came to her when she again lost Henry.  He made it possible for them to get to Neverland.  Basically, Emma has lost her son twice.  The first time she was alone; the second time, Hook came back to help and he sacrificed his quest to allow the man who killed his love and permanently maimed him on the very ship that Rumple killed Milah.  That says a lot about how much he wants to help Emma.

True love does not settle for someone else. Charming was not able to settle for Abigail/Katherine.  Snowing had to take a potion to completely change (not just forget but actually change her whole personality) to stop caring for Charming.  Hook waited 300 years for the true love to strike again.  Neal fell in love with and got engaged with Tamara, even after knowing Emma broke the curse.

Your OTP sees you in the best light (related to point 1 because they also help you become the best possible you).  Hook is always complimentary to Emma.  He sees her as someone who is smart, tough, willing to fight for what she wants and beautiful.  He compliments her, which must be nice for emma who grew up without that affirmation.  He tells her that they are a good team.   He sees her hurt/past pain and still wants to be there, so he is realist.

Neal seemed dismissive of Emma’s concerns re Tamara and of abilities.

I know some accuse Hook of being a misogynist because of his innuendos.  But to me he seems to like and respect women.  Milah seemed to be respected on his ship.  She gave orders and the crew followed them.  She was smart.  Hook didn’t care that she was older.  He seems to like women with life experiences and isn’t looking for a sheltered ingenue that he can mold to his liking.

Keeper of Hook and Emma's smoldering first kiss, a certain Pirate's sauciness, the Evil Queen's snarkiness, Grumpy's gruffness and a drop of true love to make it all go down smooth.

[killianhookfan]

Totally don’t understand shipping “wars” but maybe I’m just too old.  I guess it goes both ways.  I really don’t care whether someone has strong opinions about their own ship or if they do their own super over analyzing like we do in our world to find hidden meanings and such because I think that’s part of the fun of a ship.  It doesn’t mean that I will understand a SF view or they will understand a CS view but really, WHO CARES – it’s a TV show and they are fictional characters.  As much as we all want to psychanalyze everything that happens the brutal reality is that the characters really DON’T have thoughts or feelings – A and E create the create the characters and actors portray them but they really DON’T exist.  So when ANY of us on ANY ship say say “Well Emma is obviously thinking x because of y” um, well no, Emma is a fictional character who therefore doesn’t really have thoughts – we just extrapolate what we THINK she would be thinking in a certain scenario based on how a character is portrayed and written.  It’s fun to do and I love it to but when people are attacking actors, fellow forum members, A and E, etc. I think it’s gone overboard.

I personally enjoy reading reading the SF thread because I like reading the other perspective even if I don’t agree with it.  And I have posted there because I struggle with not bonding with Neal when I want to and I figure what better place to find people who might be able to help be understand why I haven’t been able to bond with him than a group that clearly loves the character.

I am not offended in the least by anyone who is SF except by those (and I’m not saying they are necessarily) on these boards who ASSUME that is you are CS you must hate NEAL, hate MRJ, be in favor of abuse towards women, and think that young girls should be taught to date to rapists.  Please.  But there are also folks who are CS (again not necessarily on these boards) that if you say anything that isn’t 100% sunshine and roses “CS will be endgame by the next episode” you are treated like you have suddenly abandoned ship.  To me that is just as bad as SF folks being immature toward CS shippers.

I guess my point is that it’s supposed to fun and it’s all about a fictional show – sometimes I think people need to be medicated due to the degree of anymosity they hold toward people on the opposite ship.  Getting angered because you read that someone has a different opinion about a fictional character than you do is NOT healthy.  Being disturbed because people are verbally attacking people for having a different opinion is completely different – that is just wacked.  I like to think that people here know the difference.

[CaptainEala]

@annwyn – I wasn’t offended either! Agreeing with what everyone has said. I also think that the haters from both sides are actually the minority on both sides – they are in NO WAY representative of the whole ship, they just happen to be the loudest. I like to think that all of us here are nice and reasonable and rational etc. (although I can get carried away sometimes but that’s just a facet of my personality lol).

@oncemusicfan – love that you love the gifset! 😉

I don’t count Emma becoming a bail bondsperson or the saviour a direct result of that relationship. Neal was gone when Emma took control of her life to make it better. She did that on her own and Neal doesn’t get to claim that and if him leaving her was the only way she could accomplish those things, it only proves my point — that relationship was not true love because it wasn’t going to bring out the best in both parties when they are together.

This is a VERY good point. And it only outlines for me how Killian and Emma are so good for each other – Killian is constantly supporting Emma and giving her faith that, yes, she can save her son. He has also helped her open up to trust again. And Emma has brought out the Killian from the darkness of Captain Hook.

Emma has a beautiful smile and Hook seems to be the one that gets her to smile.

^^^^^^ I posted a gifset a while ago that shows Emma smiling in NL – she only smiles genuine happy smiles with Killian.

I know some people like to claim that Hook is only interested in adventure and try to discount him being an acceptable partner because in their eyes would value adventure over love, but I think he desperately wants a family and a place to belong, just like most of the other characters.

EVERYTHING THIS.

Hook/Killian has always been intended to be a romantic character – he became a pirate out of love to get revenge on his corrupt king, he became a villain out of love in order to avenge Milah, and he is changing again due to his love for Emma. Love is his principle driving force. Everything he has done has been because of love, or because he didn’t have love. I think, for me, his biggest flaw is his tendency to go straight to vengefulness.  But AGAIN, that’s what makes CS so good together, because Emma has tempered that tendency – he gave up his revenge for her.

True love doesn’t let you down, especially in your darkest hour.  Emma’s darkest hour was giving up Henry while she was in prison.  Neal wasn’t there.  Nothing is going to erase that.  He didn’t try to come back to her once he knew she had broken the curse.  He left her alone when she needed him the most.

*severe frown*

My feelings on this subject are quite raw at the moment. The stills from 3×09 about killed me. All I can think about is Emma. I’m pretty sure i’m going to die from Emma feels in 3×09 despite it being Regina-centric.

But in fairness to Neal, he didn’t know about Henry. But I often wonder what he would have done if he HAD known.

Also, I saw this post on tumblr today:

Let’s just make this clear once and for all. Neal didn’t “let Emma go”, he left her. Letting someone go means they actually have the choice to go somewhere. Letting someone go to prison for what you’ve done and leaving with no intention of ever finding that person again because you’d have to face what you’ve been running from your entire life, is leaving, in any way you twist and turn it, it’s leaving, not letting someone go. Because he knew very well that Emma couldn’t go anywhere.

Like, that sums up the entire thing perfectly IMO. I don’t see what Neal did as some brave, noble thing, and will never be able to, because the truth is that he left. Leaving her with no explanation, no choice. And he NEVER came back for her.

Hook waited 300 years for the true love to strike again.  Neal fell in love with and got engaged with Tamara, even after knowing Emma broke the curse.

^^^^^^ And no matter how some on the other side twist and turn it, Adam has stated, Adam, the creator of the show, that Neal moved on and was genuinely in love with Tamara. There is no getting around it. It does not matter that she was a villain, it doesn’t matter that she was “fake Tamara”. He moved on and fell in love with the Tamara he knew. That’s it. End of story.

He compliments her, which must be nice for Emma who grew up without that affirmation.

YES

But to me he seems to like and respect women.

I agree with this, especially women who are tough and resourceful like Emma. Apart from his scene with Belle in her cell, he hasn’t done anything that has bothered me. It will be interesting to see how Belle reacts to him once they get back to SB in 3×10. They seem to be working together in a few of the scenes in 3×11. If Belle can forgive him, then i can let it go, and that should also be good enough for everyone else.

I guess my point is that it’s supposed to fun and it’s all about a fictional show – sometimes I think people need to be medicated due to the degree of anymosity they hold toward people on the opposite ship.

I largely agree lol, but i do tend to get very protective of Emma, fictional character or not!

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[CaptainEala]

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