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I was wondering about all of that too jenven, hence my concern about loopholes that will have to be closed once Emma makes a choice so that it’s official and done with (a la them saying that we would learn for sure with the pixie dust who Regina is meant to be with).
I completely agree, I’m not Anti-NealFire, I love Bae, I find moments I genuinely like Neal, I just don’t like their relationship and don’t see it fitting in with what we know of TL on this show at all. I never had a ship for Emma before CS because while I liked Graham, that ended rather…quickly, and sadly. Nobody else captured that for me until Hook showed up. I’m really looking forward to seeing what they do have in store for Neal down the line. So far any on-screen relationship for him I’ve actually enjoyed the idea of based on what we’ve seen (DarlingFire, Bae/Morraine, MuFire, etc), most have tanked/aren’t possible anymore but I actually ENJOYED the interaction and was ready and willing to root for it should it happen. We’ve seen him smile so rarely and I want him to be happy and to be happy watching him in a relationship! It’s why I love the big smiles when he saw Tink again. Those are moments I can enjoy for him and I expect the same down the line.
I may ship CS hardcore, but I love a lot of the relationships on the show. I don’t feel the need to dissect them 24/7 like I do with CS because that’s the one I’m heavily invested in, but I do genuinely love most of the other relationships that are meant to be loved (ie: the true love ones). So I want to actually enjoy Neal’s relationship too down the line and I just can’t imagine what kind of character retcon for Emma they’d have to do to make me believe that this is the best thing for her. (If that’s a modern day fairy tale, with the way they’ve set it up so far? Count me out. It had potential to be cute if he came back the moment he got the postcard and fought for it, but the whole Tamara sitaution, not choosing Emma til she’s the only choice etc etc on top of all the prior pain caused and not liking her using magic which is part of who she is now etc, I just don’t see it. It had appeal, 2 lost fairy tale children meeting in the real world…until it was laid out the way it was and then on top of that finding out that it was basically manipulated by Peter Pan to get their kid. I just…no).
Literally the only time I haven’t enjoyed Neal with relationship stuff is present day SF or Neal/Tamara. So I’m looking forward to seeing him a lot happier down the line and am very curious to see who he ends up with. I just can’t make myself enjoy how he and Emma treat each other present-day relationship-wise, though they do work well as friends and co-parents. Those are the only scenes I’ve really enjoyed. Doesn’t mean I don’t love Neal or Bae, I just like him a lot more when he’s not in a relationship with Emma. (MRJ is a riot on twitter and I’m so happy that in recent photos we’ve seen him in FTL clothes and SMILING! Even in SB stuff he’s smiling and spending time with RumBelle and that’s the stuff I love to see!). I just want everyone to be happy and I see Emma and Neal smile but 99% of the time it’s OTHER PEOPLE who are making them actually smile. To me, true loves should make each other happy and they should be thrilled their love is alive after they thought they lost them. I don’t see how it’s so crazy to think that…
There are just too many things about the heart situation. Can Emma take her own heart? Does Henry count as the product of true love if they “truly love” each other even though “just because you truly love someone doesn’t mean you have to end up together?” etc etc. It also begs the question of whether it was a Heart of the Truest Believer thing, or a True Love thing, etc with regards to Henry’s heart. I really don’t think they answered that in that awfully worded question in Lightning Round 10 where they led with Emma’s heart not being able to be taken. Henry’s heart was takable because he did it himself so their answer is still correct, but I seriously doubt they would actually give it away in an interview like that. This is nowhere close to done.
I was surprised to see Pan try to take it though. I thought he needed Henry to give it willingly because of a special thing about being the heart of the truest believer. It seems odd that he didn’t just take it if that’s what he could do before unless he just got desperate, but he seemed genuinely surprised that he couldn’t get to it because of Regina’s spell. I think her doing that now of all times was odd frankly. Why not do that ages ago? She knows she’s not the only one who takes hearts. Just seemed weird. I know many are calling it convenient so that we can’t see if Pan COULD have taken his heart, but at the same time even if he couldn’t, it might not be what we think since his heart is special for another reason.
Henry also had to get magic from Pan to remove it in the first place. Snow and Charming don’t have magic. Emma does. Emma is special because she’s the product of true love and we see her inherently have magic. Pan completely dismisses anything about her other than the fact that she brought Henry into the world and that makes him special because he’s got both darkness and light in his bloodline. He didn’t seem to care at all about her being the product of true love / magical, and he had to actually give Henry magic in order to be able to remove his heart (similar to Hook having his hook enchanted for a one-time-only heart removal for a non-magical person to use). Pan seems to know just about everything, so the fact that he had to give Henry magic makes me think he’s NOT like Emma as far as the product of true love thing, or if it does count as “true love” since they truly love each other even if it’s not who she’s actually supposed to be with down the line, it did NOT make him magical like it made Emma. He has his own brand of specialty with the heart of the truest believer thing, but that’s not the same thing which makes using Henry’s heart as an indicator of anything extremely dicey at best.
And again, even if he is, it may not mean who Emma ends up with. To me it’s like the TLK thing working for Emma/Henry because they truly love each other. Would a kiss work for her and Neal even if she’s not IN love with him because they do genuinely love each other? Or is it like Charming having to wait for Snow to wake him up even though Henry was right there.
Basically it’s all very confusing. I have a feeling that we will learn it and finalize it in SOME way but we have yet to know what that is. Current working theory for myself is that it will be Emma making a choice and then Tink (after getting her wings back) proving her choice with the pixie dust. I really want to see EMMA make a choice, rather than be told she has to be with ___ even though SHE hasn’t made her mind up yet so I’d much rather watch her make a choice and have someone like Tink step in to help prove it to the naysayers who don’t believe it. This is different from the Regina thing because she actually tried to get Regina to go into that room and see him, and Regina needed to be shown that there was hope of loving again. She hasn’t met him yet which is irksome to many and understandably so, but SHE knows when she’ll see that tattoo and it gave her HOPE which is important.
Emma HAS hope and just needs to make a choice, but I think to satiate both the audience and several characters on the show, SOMETHING will have to happen to prove that it’s real before the nonsense stops – even though people are still tweeting Adam about SQ being a thing even though they’ve already showed us OutlawQueen is supposed to be together. I totally get hanging onto hope for the ships we love but that’s what fandom stuff is for! You don’t have to stop loving something just because it’s not canon. At the end of the day I’d rather have answers instead of false hope, and learn to love whatever they throw at me. I love the SHOW and my ships, I just don’t want to get my hopes up unnecessarily – something I have in common with the people in my favorite ship!
I can’t imagine NOT watching if CS doesn’t end up together, but I’d wonder where the heck that corner turned out of nowhere because that’s not the story they’ve been building the way that many of us see it (and unlike around here, it is a big ship elsewhere. We are not alone!) Emma has to work through a lot of stuff to completely close that door with Neal but I have faith it will happen because these writers have proven themselves time and time again and, while I may not love every little detail, I still love the overall story and they KNOW how things are being taken and that they are presenting it in such a way that leads to that.
They knew at the beginning of the season that CS was already coming across as a very viable option for Emma and now they’ve thrown us a kiss, two “As you wish”es and tons of Snowing/CS parallels. If they wanted to overcome SF being voted as the worst tv couple, or make an ACTUAL triangle they’d have evened the playing field a bit and made sure to very carefully craft the Neal as well as Neal/Emma moments to balance that out and they haven’t. He is continually set up as an obstacle and the moments that we DO love Neal are when he’s involved with the things we’ve been saying all along are the roots of HIS story.
If they did what I thought they would do and have Neal come to SB while Emma was in FTL, it would be entirely different. They’d show him actually trying to come back ASAP and explain everything and fight for her to understand that like Snowing he did what he had to do and he came back the moment he could. THAT DID NOT HAPPEN. It’s not even about the jail thing or all those years she felt horrible because of him leaving. It’s that she knew he was never going to come back for her and explain, and that he chose Tamara over her repeatedly, after she just spent months watching David not be able to stay away from MM and watching what true love does vs everything else. She’s surrounded by it now, she’s made out of it for crying out loud.
As I said somewhere in my ramble yesterday, not all CSers hate Neal or don’t want him to be happy! Most of us want him with who he should be with and it’s nothing against him that it doesn’t have to be Emma! Emma is NOT a Gold medal and he’s settling for Silver and Hook gets the Gold. It’s not like that AT ALL. It is literally – everyone should end up with who they’re meant to end up with, and usually that is preceded by tragic circumstances and heartbreak that shapes who you are and eventually you find who you ARE supposed to be with. Emma IS NOT RIGHT for absolutely everyone who ever interacted with her on screen. I realize there are TONS of ships for her, but she is not going to be the absolute perfect person for every single character we see. She just can’t be.
A decade ago they may have been good together for a little bit. Something wonderful came out of that. They’re different people now and it is not a crime if Neal gets hurt NOW if something BETTER is waiting down the line for him. Why would we want ANYONE to be with someone who isn’t their true love and the best for them? If we love the character, we should want the best for them. Case closed. If Hook gets hurt I can’t imagine based on the way they’ve written him that he could move on from this. I just don’t see how he could, when we’ve been shown that Neal can, but as a Hook fan I want him to be with the absolute best person for him which in my opinion IS Emma. The person she is TODAY fits very well with who HE is today. They’re a good match.
There are so many things I love about and see hope in with regards to CaptainSwan, but bringing out the best in each other is a huge part of it, and who they are today is extremely important. Falling in love with a memory means not appreciating who they are right now. Which is why I love the fact that while everyone has flaws and has made bad mistakes at some point, the couples we love the most bring out the best in each other and appreciate who they actually ARE and not just the idea of them on a pedestal somewhere. (It’s why I was so proud of Belle for standing up to Rumple and leaving him for a little bit til he was more open and honest with her. Same thing with Henry, even though he loves Regina, he doesn’t put up with her embracing her evil side). I just can’t imagine Emma being with someone who isn’t ok with who she is now, and wants her to be the way she used to be, especially when the way they used to be meant Neal denying the best part of himself, anything to do with being Baelfire. I want him with someone he can be Bae with and appreciates him for ALL of it. Not someone who was never even let in on that stuff.
That doesn’t mean that Neal will not be right for someone else. It’s not a slight on him that their relationship isn’t perfect. He’ll find someone who IS right for him. I swear sometimes I read these things all over and it’s like, if we were watching Rumple and Milah in chronological order, we’d have the same exact situation we have right now. People would want them together because they have a kid and they should try harder and how dare the pirate get in the way, Rumple and Milah are perfect for each other they have to make it work for Bae etc etc. But we know the end of that story. We know that Milah, and then Cora, break Rumple’s heart but that SOMEDAY down the line, he will meet Belle who is SO MUCH BETTER for him. I cannot stress that enough. SO MUCH BETTER and I can’t think of anyone who actually prefers him with Milah. Literally no one. He belongs with BELLE which makes it more ok that he was tragically hurt in the past because now he has her and it’s going to be ok. Why is it so wrong to believe the same for Neal down the line??
To be fair, Emma is WAY BETTER than Milah and always will be. Hurting someone doesn’t matter how wonderful the person you lost is or not. You’re still hurt and, as fans, we don’t LIKE seeing someone get hurt, whether they deserved it or not. In fact Milah hurting Rumple IS extremely tragic because he did EVERYTHING RIGHT and his world still fell apart. He hadn’t done nearly as much to deserve someone not trusting him or wanting to be with him in the future as his son. He, like he always has, fought to come HOME, to be WITH HIS FAMILY no matter what that took to do it. But that doesn’t mean that he and Milah were a perfect match and should make it work. It meant that it was tragic, absolutely heartbreaking to watch for him, and that something BETTER was waiting for him down the line.
I have no doubt that for Hook we’re either getting Emma or nobody (and nobody would be tragic given his redemption arc and the fact that everything for him is about love and how deeply he loves, just like other reforming villains who have it/will have it soon. I just don’t see how he will ever move past that when he loves so deeply. All the TL couples we’ve seen on the show CAN’T FUNCTION when their true love is out there somewhere and alive (and many can’t function for decades after their death even). Neal knew Emma was out there and they all seem to know the “family means being together” stuff and he decided a long time ago that Emma was better off without him and he could move on. His language has ALWAYS been about the possibility that they won’t end up together, where as Hook’s has always been about how they WILL. There’s no point in building up half the triangle to say “gotcha” and then reverse it. It would be a disservice to ALL of their characters but especially Emma.
We’ve known her the longest. We sat through a whole season of her expressing how painful it is to deal with the idea of Henry’s dad. We saw that again in Manhattan with her phone call to Snow. And again in the echo caves when her secret was that she was terrified he was alive and was hoping he was dead so it would make it EASIER for her to move on (as in, not impossible, just easier). They set so much stuff up before we EVER EVEN SAW HIM so that we would have that in our heads. They set up his entire highlight reel of a relationship in order to understand why Emma was afraid to trust HOOK. He was brought into the show literally as an obstacle for CS and they waited to show him to us until they got the rights to Hook, after hearing how much Emma didn’t want him around and how he wasn’t a good guy.
It really doesn’t matter what we think based on what we know of the circumstances. Emma is the one who has to live with all of that, and the pain that she went through, and then knowing he could have come back and chose not to but instead started a life with someone else (which he STILL has not dealt with even though he was begging her to come back to bed A WEEK AGO). He never CHOSE Emma which is something we have seen in every TL couple in some way shape or form. Choosing love over revenge, choosing in a triangle of some kin, etc etc. These things add up!
So I have faith that they’re going down this path for a reason and I can’t imagine them building it up to this point and not realizing how absolutely lopsided and ridiculous that would be. Unlike in some shows, I don’t see them going down one path and then switching unless it’s a repeat of MM/David/Kathryn where she feels obligated in some way to try something with Neal first. There’s basically NO WAY that she picks Hook and then does a 180 down the line. On a show that’s about hope and TL, we’re not gonna have her flip-flopping all over the place. It wouldn’t make sense for the show or for her. (The only time we’ve seen that in a triangle is when we always KNEW who would end up together and he couldn’t stay away from MM even when he tried. The pull was too strong. We saw the exact opposite for Neal/Tamara).
For Emma, she’s now embracing who she is and that includes all of the bad things that have happened in her life and who that makes her today. It’s like seeing Grumpy as Dreamy – he doesn’t want to get rid of that pain because it makes him who he is and he’s alright with who he is. Emma is embracing who she is completely for the first time and that includes some things that others won’t like (ie: magic). But there’s something from S1 that I love from a conversation with Emma and MM about how she almost ran away from SB with Henry and MM gets mad at her because she thought Emma was better than that and she DIDN’T WANT TO SEE HER REVERT TO WHO SHE WAS BEFORE SHE CAME TO SB. Basically that’s how I’ve felt about the entire idea that she should go back to being that girl who did fit with Neal over a decade ago. She was a DIFFERENT PERSON back then and all of her character growth would be completely null and void if she just up and decides none of it matters after everything she’s been through.
If it goes that way it’s a huge character shift and they’ll have to lead up to it in a way that makes sense, especially after what her secret was since it was proven by the caves. They’ve had plenty of opportunity to do that, and I worried way more at the beginning of the season that they WOULD do that to make it more of an obvious pull between the two guys, but all I see is her past that she lived with for so long, and the hope of a future and she sees that in Hook. It’s harder for her to shut the door when Neal is right there saying he wants another chance, but she has to face it before she can move on, and it would have been too easy for her if she could just sweep it under a rug because he’s gone.
She has to make a CHOICE, even knowing that he’ll get hurt by it. Just like David should have made the actual choice and…as much as it hurt Kathryn when she found out and went after MM, she realized that it wasn’t exactly the best thing for her and that she needed to look elsewhere and live her life. I expect no less from Neal whose language all season has been about Henry and now his Papa, and working on those aspects of his life as much as trying for a second chance with Emma which he even said may not happen. I think as long as she doesn’t give him false hope and he sees that she’s just not dealing with it right now, he won’t be too bad about it when she does make a choice, even if it hurts him, as long as he knows she’s genuinely happy.
*cookies for all*
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I hate preview being gone with a passion! So many wonderful responses while I was typing! Seriously excellent points guys! (I’m jealous cause they’re so short but brilliant!)
Agree with everything that was said though. LOVED the NealFire/Rumple scenes and it was very interesting to note that he used that as an example. He pointed out that Rumple came back for him and I absolutely agree that that is a huge difference for SF/CS. Hook left too but as you said, he didn’t have a reason to come back and he did it anyway. JMO has said that that is something that is very important to Emma because nobody’s ever done that for her before (other than Henry, hmm…sensing a theme here).
It really is a huge difference between Neal and Hook and it was important for Neal to recognize that about his relationship with Rumple. The thing that makes Rumple good throughout all the bad stuff, is the fact that he regretted letting go of Bae but never gave up trying to make up for it. He could easily have assumed that Bae was better off without him and happier etc, but he needed Bae to hear how sorry he was. That not only did he regret it (which is what Bae found out about Milah abandoning him as well) but that he spent centuries trying to correct that mistake. To tell him what happened, to admit that he was scared and to fix things. He NEVER gave up on that. Whereas Neal decided Emma was better off and wouldn’t forgive him and he was too scared so he never even tried….which is more like Pan. (Horrible family traits to inherit, even if they skip a generation!)
I really think that Neal is starting to understand and get around to the mindset that maybe Emma won’t be able to give him that second chance. We’ve seen that in a lot of his wording on things as well as a recent MRJ interview that wasn’t EMMA EMMA EMMA but that she doesn’t owe him anything.
It baffled me earlier on in the season when he was so gung-ho about a second chance with Emma, while saying he couldn’t forgive Rumple. I’m going to be interested to see what this latest revelation does for him. Will he think he stands a better chance now that he’s been able to forgive Rumple for abandoning him? Or will he recognize the difference is that he never came back and that was his mistake?
He had a lot of things to say when Mulan and Robin were around about what he should do when he sees Emma again and we even saw Mulan take his advice (only to find out it was too late but she actually went there to TRY at least), but he hasn’t done any of that yet. So I’m anxious to see what happens with that. At some point we should see Robin again and he’s bound to ask about things so we may get some more insight then too. But I think at this point, Neal will be more understanding about everything and it wouldn’t surprise me if that comes up when he actually gets some time to talk to Emma onscreen. Like when she tries to explain why she can’t go back to him more fully than what she did with the caves (which wasn’t enough since he followed that with the whole “never going to stop fighting for you. never” stuff. I think at some point, maybe in the near future even if a decision isn’t actually made yet, he may try and have a conversation with her where he says he understands it better now after forgiving Rumple. That he’ll understand if she can’t give him another chance, even though he’d like one, because he recognizes that he never came back and that that was his mistake.
It’ll be interesting to see. I imagine something like that might happen and make him seem more sympathetic and like maybe things are different but eventually I still think she’ll put that in the past and move on with Hook permanently. I just want her to get some actual closure (and Neal needs it too) so it could be another one of those bittersweet conversations between them that irons out the past a bit more and helps them accept that it’ll never be the way it was. Here’s hoping.
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That was a very long post @mysterykat25 and I agree with every part of it.
I think you all know where I stand on Neal — I cannot stand him. It’s like the Darth Vader/Anakin Skywalker thing. I loved Vader but could not stand his younger self. He was so selfish and destructive.
But I despite my feelings for Neal, I do want him to be happy. I just don’t think his happy ending is with Emma. I think somewhere down the line, we’re going to find out that Neal has a different True Love (like what Adam and Eddie did with Regina this season).
I also really believe, his main story has nothing to do Emma and everything to do with his relationship with his father. Like, that’s the whole reason for the curse. Rumpel wanted the curse enacted so he could come to our world and his his son. It had nothing to do with teaching the residents of the EF a lesson about happy endings. It had everything to do with finding his son.
Compare how Rumple has “fought” to get back to Bae for all of those years to Neal saying he will never stop fighting for Emma. I am even more confused by his saying that to her now that he recognizes that his own father came back for him.
To be honest i think he was still reeling over the whole Tamara thing when he said that.
I mean, i’m not his biggest fan but he has, in fairness to him, all along regretted what he did to Emma. I think he underestimates the pain he caused her, but we saw him apologise to her in 2×21 and when he was in the EF he didn’t know if she would ever forgive him, get a second chance, etc. Which is one of the reasons why that line didn’t sit so well with me.
Anyway, only an episode later, he was saying that it was okay if the only thing to come from him and Emma being together was Henry. That’s not “fighting” to me, that’s not True Love to me. This is one of the main reasons why i think that Neal may back-off from Emma completely this week during his and Hook’s discussion.
@jenven – all questions welcome, don’t be afraid to ask! 🙂@MysteryKat – loved all those thoughts on jenven’s question!!! 🙂 I just want to point out that I read that some SF shippers were saying that Henry coming from Emma (TL personified) in a TL relationship would magnify Henry’s power so that he should be even more powerful than Emma, magically. In fairness that concept DOES make sense going by genetics. But he needed Pan’s magic to remove his heart, and when Pan tried to take it without Henry’s consent, he was only stopped by Regina’s spell.
He has the heart of the truest believer, but i see that more as a facet of his personality rather than anything overtly genetic. I mean, his parents are the biggest non-believers in magic that we’ve ever seen in the show, i think. Lol.
I also really believe, his main story has nothing to do Emma and everything to do with his relationship with his father. Like, that’s the whole reason for the curse. Rumpel wanted the curse enacted so he could come to our world and his his son. It had nothing to do with teaching the residents of the EF a lesson about happy endings. It had everything to do with finding his son.
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Now, I have a question i’d like to put to you guys – do you think Pan orchestrated Emma going to jail? I think John and Michael were suspiciously quick in trying to adopt Henry. I personally don’t believe that it would negate anything Neal did – he made his choices, and they were the wrong ones. He abandoned her, didn’t try to go back to fix what he did even though he regretted it, conspired with August to at the very least arrest her IMO. What do you guys think???
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Now, I have a question i’d like to put to you guys – do you think Pan orchestrated Emma going to jail? I think John and Michael were suspiciously quick in trying to adopt Henry. I personally don’t believe that it would negate anything Neal did – he made his choices, and they were the wrong ones. He abandoned her, didn’t try to go back to fix what he did even though he regretted it, conspired with August to at the very least arrest her IMO. What do you guys think???
I have actually thought about this as well. Back in the episode where they showed Pinocchio leaving baby Emma in the orphanage I have wondered if maybe Pan had something to do with “Pied Pipering” Pinocchio and the other boys in the orphanage away to become became Lost Boys (kind of a twist on the traditional Pinocchio tale). This would have allowed enough time for Emma to grow up unprotected by anyone from the EF, allowed her and Bae to meet and get pregnant. Then Pinocchio could have sent Pinocchio back out into the real world reminding him that his job was to protect Emma and could have convinced him that having her put in jail would be the best way to help her. Keep in mind that August was also an orphan so he would have been perfect Lost Boy material and could have easily fallen for anything Pan told him. Yet after years of wandering the world and trying to “find himself” he could have realized that he made a horrible mistake and was therefore trying to correct his mistake by going back for her (someone else who realized he messed up and decided to go back!!) and then would also realize he wasn’t really an orphan because he had a father in SB.
Sorry, just venting. I don’t often get ticked by a post – after all everyone is entitled to their opinion and I respect everyone’s opinion, whether I agree with it or not. But a post finally rubbed me the wrong way – not on our CS ship, and I don’t want to point fingers at anyone. But I knew this would be a safe place to just vent and say, REALLY???????? REALLY, someone actually SAID that?????? I don’t think it was meant to be personally offensive but I am personally offended.
That is all.
Back in the episode where they showed Pinocchio leaving baby Emma in the orphanage I have wondered if maybe Pan had something to do with “Pied Pipering” Pinocchio and the other boys in the orphanage away to become became Lost Boys (kind of a twist on the traditional Pinocchio tale). This would have allowed enough time for Emma to grow up unprotected by anyone from the EF, allowed her and Bae to meet and get pregnant.
Do you know, this is an interesting theory 🙂 I’m wondering if the boys weren’t just unhappy though. Pan lured the boys away with music and I don’t believe Pinnochio heard any music – in fact he was reluctant to leave Emma.
I’m not sure that Pan actually “recruited” (for want of a better word) August though – if anyone did it was John and Michael I think. Pan is the puppeteer pulling all the strings from NL.
But I do believe that it was John and Michael that told August that Neal was Bae. That was a question that bugged me for a long time, and I think we have our answer. I think that John and Michael were keeping close tabs on both Neal and Emma and somehow maneuvered them into meeting. Adam has hinted before that we don’t know the whole story – and it’s been strongly implied that Pan allowed Bae to leave NL.
Adam has said that Neal didn’t send Emma to jail – but I can’t get my head around anything other than he was a willing accomplice to this plan. August knew about the watches, the train station, even the meeting place where Neal was supposed to reunite with Emma. August/John/Michael could not have known all these things through simple observation, even if they were watching Neal and Emma closely. At least, that makes logical sense to me.
I’m trying to keep an open mind, but it’s hard, especially with the dialogue we got between Neal and August afterwards.
- August says “we went over this” with regards to Emma being in jail, to me implying VERY strongly that it was a plan that BOTH of them were aware of
- Neal, even after saying that “it should be me in there” then says that “if I knows she’s okay, I could move on”. So to me that says that nothing even occurs to him to try and fix it – he certainly doesn’t try to hand himself over or anything
And then there’s the fact that when Emma says “you left me,,, and let me go to prison because Pinnochio told you to?” he. does. not. deny. it. He may not have made the call, but he allowed her to go to prison.
I don’t know, I just can’t wait to see the prison thing addressed once and for all. I’m fed up of some from the other side one minute saying “OMG Adam said that Neal didn’t play a part in her going to jail” and then the next minute saying the “OMG jail was necessary for her to change” etc.
UGH JAIL WAS 1 MILLION KINDS OF UNNECESSARY AND IT WAS THE REASON SHE GAVE UP HER SON AND I REALLY DESPISE NEAL AND AUGUST FOR IT SOMETIMES I REALLY DO
HE HURT MY BABY
Sorry…. getting myself all worked up lol.
Keeper of Captain Swan's first kiss
So…. apparently CS is just a “fun and fluffy” relationship now lololololol.
Here’s a nice meta from orladark countering that 🙂
Ok, I observed SF tag lately because I wanted to know other side of story and tried to understand why people like SF. And I saw one post that I couldn’t just pass by. Sorry, I’m not going to tag it SF or reblog that post with my thoughts, but I want to write this.
Author of that post actually in the same position as me, she also trying to understand the other side. And while I agree that Emma and Neal have a lot of drama overcome, a lot of baggage and it’s would be interesting to watch if you ship it. I hugely disagree about CS. That it’s all fun and fluff, and Hook is sexy, that’s why people ship it.
I’m sorry, CS is not only fun and flirt, you probably forgot some of this scenes:
– Hook seeing Emma and an orphan just by look in her eyes;
– Hook and Emma bond about past lovers “she is gone”, “maybe I was once”;
– Hook saying he wouldn’t abandon her the way she did with him;
– Hook sincerely saying why he hurt Belle and open up again about past love “I hurt his heart… He killed my love, I know the feeling”;
– Emma and Hook bonding in Granny diner “We understand each other… look after yourself and you’ll never get hurt”, because she knows that, she was like that before and she gives him the choice to be a part of something;
– Hook and Emma grieving over Neal’s death in most comfortable silence ever and bonding even more about that (pictures in Neal’s cave, etc)
– Hook saying he also knows what it feels like to lose hope;
– Hook putting faith in her by over and over again saying she can do it, she will save his son.I’m sorry, some probably slipped my mind, some may degree, but some points you can’t just ignore. So no, CSers ship Killian and Emma not only because they fun and flirt, and sexy. Captain Swan also have emotional depth and I just wrote some that was in actual interaction between them. There are a lot of yet to come, I’m sure.
So, thank you very much, we have a lot of reasons to ship our ship, don’t say it’s just for fun, CS deliver.
Like, this kind of argument is so silly to me, because they are literally ignoring what has been shown in the actual show. It is an insult to the writers, the people who film it, and most importantly the actors, who work really frigging hard and show the connection CS has very well IMO.
CS has been described as a relationship between “kindred spirits” more than once, BY EVERYONE WHO KNOWS WHAT THEY’RE TALKING ABOUT WHEN IT COMES TO THESE CHARACTERS.
I don’t know if they understand what the phrase “kindred spirits” means because to me it implies a deep emotional understanding.
EDIT: I found the perfect gif to insert here!!!! 🙂 (well they ignore the “kindred spirits” thing rather than use it incorrectly but whatever the gif is from the Princess Bride and that’s our thing so!)
Apparently it does to urbandictionary as well 🙂
Kindred Spirits are two people that make a special connection by sharing a bond that has joined them by the means of an experience that has drawn them together on a higher level of consciousness. This connection can be from the same experience at the same time or two separate experiences similar in nature.
All I have to say is “lol”.
Keeper of Captain Swan's first kiss
Today is the last day to vote Captain Swan for Best On-Screen Chemistry in the People’s Choice Awards. RT’s on twitter count as votes. You can vote as many times as you want.
Today is the last day to vote Captain Swan for Best On-Screen Chemistry in the People’s Choice Awards. RT’s on twitter count as votes. You can vote as many times as you want.
Lol – you don’t need to tell me! 🙂 I’ve been voting like a loon! My hands will never forgive me!
EDIT: @obisgirl – how is your monster meta coming along?? I’m excited to read it! 🙂
Keeper of Captain Swan's first kiss
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