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Can someone please help me understand why Hook is a scum for stepping back and allowing Henry’s parents to make a go of it for Henry??? Considering we have seen the back story where Hook dealt with this same issue with young Baelfire and clearly had immense guilt over it???
And how telling Neal that he isn’t sure that Emma will take him back since he already abandoned her once is setting Neal up to be run over by a bus???
So let me make sure I understand this. If Hook fights for Emma and she chooses him, Hook is a scum because he has broken up a family (a non-existent family because the parents were never married and the “father” abandoned the mother before he even knew she was pregnant and the mother then gave the child up for adoption so neither biological parent actually has any legal rights to the child any way).
But if Hook steps back and Emma decides she doesn’t want Neal anyway and still chooses Hook, Hook is a scum because by stepping back he was somehow playing a game that was setting Neal up for failure because Emma wouldn’t choose him??? How exactly does he do this??
So basically if Emma doesn’t choose Neal and chooses Hook, it is only because of an inability to use to her own brain and make her own decisions – something she has never had any problem doing before on the history of the show. Because if Emma chooses Hook it couldn’t possibly be because she loves him???
But if Emma chooses Neal it is because she loves him and all is right with the world, there will be peace in the Middle East, and no child will ever go hungry again. Oh, and then Hook will have shown tremendous character growth for allowing a loving family to be together the way they should have been all along (we’ll just forget all about the above).
I am super confused. I love my ship but if Emma chooses Neal – she chooses Neal. Short of Neal tying Hook up and leaving him for dead in the JR floating at sea or threatening to murder Henry if he doesn’t leave SB to get Hook out of the picture so he isn’t an option for her to choose anymore, I don’t see how someone could MAKE Emma choose one of them if she really loved the other.
[adrotate group="5"]SF are trying to say that Neal asking Emma out is this huge deal because there wasn’t an immediate shot of Killian’s face.
LOL
Who are they trying to emphasize is the one who is depressed? And then we have an interaction between Emma and Hook based upon how Emma interpreted what she saw, yet we get NOTHING about the fact that Emma didn’t show up to Neal’s date??? That speaks volumes!
^^^^ You totally answered your own question hehehe.
Killian is visibly falling apart at even the NOTION that Emma may choose Neal over him. Because let’s not forget that he’s only giving them a chance. He’ll still be around. He’s “in it for the long haul”.
Neal on the other hand has already proven that he’s okay without Emma. Words by Adam Horowitz himself – “Neal moved on and was genuinely in love with Tamara”.
@Jennifer, I’d love to speculate with you, but honestly all those spoilers made my brain HURT and I want to avoid thinking about them until after 3×11 is over. So, I would love to speculate with you then!!! I just didn’t want you to think I was ignoring you 🙂
Can someone please help me understand why Hook is a scum for stepping back and allowing Henry’s parents to make a go of it for Henry??? Considering we have seen the back story where Hook dealt with this same issue with young Baelfire and clearly had immense guilt over it??? And how telling Neal that he isn’t sure that Emma will take him back since he already abandoned her once is setting Neal up to be run over by a bus??? So let me make sure I understand this. If Hook fights for Emma and she chooses him, Hook is a scum because he has broken up a family (a non-existent family because the parents were never married and the “father” abandoned the mother before he even knew she was pregnant and the mother then gave the child up for adoption so neither biological parent actually has any legal rights to the child any way). But if Hook steps back and Emma decides she doesn’t want Neal anyway and still chooses Hook, Hook is a scum because by stepping back he was somehow playing a game that was setting Neal up for failure because Emma wouldn’t choose him??? How exactly does he do this?? So basically if Emma doesn’t choose Neal and chooses Hook, it is only because of an inability to use to her own brain and make her own decisions – something she has never had any problem doing before on the history of the show. Because if Emma chooses Hook it couldn’t possibly be because she loves him??? But if Emma chooses Neal it is because she loves him and all is right with the world, there will be peace in the Middle East, and no child will ever go hungry again. Oh, and then Hook will have shown tremendous character growth for allowing a loving family to be together the way they should have been all along (we’ll just forget all about the above). I am super confused. I love my ship but if Emma chooses Neal – she chooses Neal. Short of Neal tying Hook up and leaving him for dead in the JR floating at sea or threatening to murder Henry if he doesn’t leave SB to get Hook out of the picture so he isn’t an option for her to choose anymore, I don’t see how someone could MAKE Emma choose one of them if she really loved the other.
I think we are all agreed that the other side are super illogical at times. I know I sound like an arrogant er…. “butt”hole but like I said… we’ll be vindicated soon enough.
I’m honestly just fed up with the irrational Hook-hatred. I mean, when you REALLY have to hate a character because he’s in love with someone, you know your own ship is in trouble. *shrugs*
Like, I can enjoy Neal as a character, and I want him to get his own development SO BADLY. I just can’t stand him with Emma.
I just think it’s hilarious that SFers (and SQers?) are talking about him being scum or whatever when they’re shipping him with Tink and Ariel when he’s supposedly not good enough for anyone.
We have legitimate reasons for not wanting Neal and Emma together, besides the presence of Killian.
The other side have no legitimate reasons besides hatred.
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@Jennifer Yes, I am truly perplexed by the CS hatred and nastiness that can be found too. And just in general attacking writers, actors, producers, etc.,regardless of someone’s ship, makes absolutely no sense at all to me. I get being totally into your ship, I am obsessed with CS afterall, but I do not understand personal attacks of others because they sail a different ship.
I don’t always understand or agree with the perspectives of other ships, and when I get frustrated about something I see or hear I only post it here and still try to be careful about what I write. I do sometimes post on other ships threads when I want to try to understand a different ship’s perspective for some reason. What I don’t get is when some shippers automatically jump to the conclusion that you must HATE the character involved in their ship if you are from another ship and then are therefore mean to you even if you ask a question in a friendly manner. For example, I don’t hate Neal. In fact, it bothers me quite a bit that I haven’t been able to bond with Neal since I love Bae so much. But I have had people tell me well since I come into it with such a negative attitude to begin with there is no way I will ever be able to bond with Neal. And I am like ummm . . . WHAT negative attitude?? I just said I am upset that I haven’t been able to bond with Neal. The response is typically that if I am CS I am already biased against Neal. Well, no. My brain does actually have the capacity for broader concepts than just black or white. I don’t have to hate Neal just because I want Emma with Hook. And I’m not so narrow minded to think I will always necessarily be CS. I was always pretty certain Bae was Henry’s dad so I always kind of hoped Emma would end up with him (even though it was kind of weird at the time because we had only seen him as a kid), but then when I saw her with Hook I was totally CS, even after Neal showed up. But that doesn’t mean that something could happen later on to change how I feel about things.
What puzzles me are the number of people who love Rumple but hate Hook. Because I love Rumple too and as a Rumple lover I am well aware of the horrible things he has done through his life. I have cringed and yelled at him through the TV screen at times but still love him. In my opinion, the things that Rumple has done are about a gazillion times worse than the things that Hook has done yet Rumple lovers talk about Hook as if he is Satan himself. And they will talk about what a beautiful love story Rumple and Belle have yet will threaten to stop watching the show if CS becomes endgame because of the horrible message it will be sending to women if Emma ends up with Hook. Ummm, but Rumple/Gold is the role model we want for our daughters on the kind of men they should be seeking out????
I can’t imagine sending a nasty gram to one of the writers or the producers because the show isn’t going the way I want it to. That’s just childish and the result of being able to hide behind technology in our world today. There are times I think all shows go through ebbs and flows. If I find myself no longer enjoying a show I don’t start sending nasty grams, I stop watching the show – that speaks louder than childish tweets ever will.
I do think that some people have had things happen in their past that make them particularly sensitive to some characters or to same pairings. And for me, being a bit older, married with kids I come at things with a different perspective sometimes. But to me there is never an excuse to be mean or rude to people. After all, it is just a TV show.
Can someone please help me understand why Hook is a scum for stepping back and allowing Henry’s parents to make a go of it for Henry??? Considering we have seen the back story where Hook dealt with this same issue with young Baelfire and clearly had immense guilt over it??? And how telling Neal that he isn’t sure that Emma will take him back since he already abandoned her once is setting Neal up to be run over by a bus??? So let me make sure I understand this. If Hook fights for Emma and she chooses him, Hook is a scum because he has broken up a family (a non-existent family because the parents were never married and the “father” abandoned the mother before he even knew she was pregnant and the mother then gave the child up for adoption so neither biological parent actually has any legal rights to the child any way). But if Hook steps back and Emma decides she doesn’t want Neal anyway and still chooses Hook, Hook is a scum because by stepping back he was somehow playing a game that was setting Neal up for failure because Emma wouldn’t choose him??? How exactly does he do this?? So basically if Emma doesn’t choose Neal and chooses Hook, it is only because of an inability to use to her own brain and make her own decisions – something she has never had any problem doing before on the history of the show. Because if Emma chooses Hook it couldn’t possibly be because she loves him??? But if Emma chooses Neal it is because she loves him and all is right with the world, there will be peace in the Middle East, and no child will ever go hungry again. Oh, and then Hook will have shown tremendous character growth for allowing a loving family to be together the way they should have been all along (we’ll just forget all about the above). I am super confused. I love my ship but if Emma chooses Neal – she chooses Neal. Short of Neal tying Hook up and leaving him for dead in the JR floating at sea or threatening to murder Henry if he doesn’t leave SB to get Hook out of the picture so he isn’t an option for her to choose anymore, I don’t see how someone could MAKE Emma choose one of them if she really loved the other.
comes from the same logic that produces such gems as “Emma didn’t really want to kiss Hook he forced her”
Yup up looks really forced to me! Clearly she’s not enjoying herself at all!
@rumplegoldfan – totally agree with everything you said!
And I’m not so narrow minded to think I will always necessarily be CS.
I am, and will always be, CS, because that is the relationship they’re developing, that is the relationship that has been foreshadowed since the pilot
And unless they do a hell of a lot of character development for Neal, give me reasons I can accept as to why he never came back for her (because since TL is the most powerful magic of all it should have been able to overcome fear like that’s just a LOGICAL CONCLUSION), stop him being selfish when it comes to their relationship, and use him to build her up and support her rather than tear her down and make her lose confidence in herself, there is no way I will ever accept a SF endgame.
That’s my opinion. It may make me childish. But I don’t like being duped.
Fortunately I have ZERO concerns on the score. LESS THAN ZERO.
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comes from the same logic that produces such gems as “Emma didn’t really want to kiss Hook he forced her
Oh ho, the sass is strong with you 😉
Yup up looks really forced to me! Clearly she’s not enjoying herself at all!
Stelio HOW COULD YOU POST THAT
I HAVE BEEN TRANSFIXED FOR THE LAST 3 MINUTES AT LEAST
But yes totally forced, he practically holding her down. And look, she’s protesting so loudly I mean she’s clearly trying to drag herself away from him.
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And its funny that the CF statements you are relating back seem to diminish Emma and her capacity make a proper decision on her own… is she supposed to sit there while Neal and Hook decide her fate.
SO MUCH THIS
I mean, I guarantee that when Emma and Killian finally get together her decision will not be respected by SF shippers. Like it legitimately won’t.
When the sneak for the kiss came out it was like
“OMG MANIPULATION”
“OMG SHE’S NOT IN HER RIGHT MIND BECAUSE OF NEVERLAND”
“OMG SHE FELT OBLIGATED TO KISS HIM BECAUSE HE SAVED DAVID’S LIFE”
Complete denial of her agency and her choice as a character.
All I saw in 3×10 was a man allowing her to make a choice.
And a man who didn’t even consider that she HAS a choice.
One guess as to which is which.
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It doesn’t make you childish! I agree that I think CS is endgame. I have also spent hours pouring over old episodes finding all the CS clues from early episodes. But I also thought I would live and die with Rumbelle and now I like CS so much better than them!! And I honestly never really got all that into Emma’s character until Hook showed up. So while CS is most definately my thing now – I don’t know where the show will go or what will happen to the characters so I have no idea how I might feel about things in the future.
But you know I am not a fan of SF regardless of whether Hook is around or not. I just don’t care for Emma and Neal together and when I watch the show I don’t feel like they have been writing it for us to WANT them to be together. But sometimes I wonder if that is just the mom in me being unable to see a viable future for SF considering their past. I know the SF folks look at their past relationship and see young love, I see disastrous out of control teenage delinquency with enabling behavior and a lost girl who was desparately clinging to the only person who she felt connected to. I never saw love at all. Emma is an adult now, she has no reason to need to revisit that relationship – not even because she and Neal are Henry’s parents. Yes, she may have felt like she still loved Neal when he abandoned her – and based upon what she had known of relationships up to that point the connection she had with Neal was probably the closest thing to love she had known. And now I’m sure she has A love for Neal since they are Henry’s parents, but again, that is not a reason to revisit dysfunctional relationships from your past.
Have you seen the SF speculation about the promo? That there is a new curse and Emma becomes some weird version of herself so she and Hook end up together but since it isn’t really her it doesn’t really “count” – or something along those lines???
Have you seen the SF speculation about the promo? That there is a new curse and Emma becomes some weird version of herself so she and Hook end up together but since it isn’t really her it doesn’t really “count” – or something along those lines???
LOL
The blatant ignorance of her feelings for him amuses me no end
Emma is an adult now, she has no reason to need to revisit that relationship – not even because she and Neal are Henry’s parents.
I think she needs to revisit it in order to OVERCOME it. Like I always say that Neal is the obstacle to CS, but I don’t mean a literal obstacle really. To me he is a physical representation all her self doubts, her pain, her belief that she’s unlovable, that she as “the saviour” can’t have happiness (because that’s what drove Neal and her parents to abandon her in the first place). He is a physical representation of her walls. And she will eventually overcome them.
And I feel like this episode just really showed that Killian is in no way the obstacle to SF – he backed off. So to me it just makes that crystal clear that even if Killian wasn’t around SF still wouldn’t be happening because……. Emma doesn’t want it to. That was made clear when she didn’t show up for their lunch. She could have shown up to talk to him regarding her uncertainties about Henry – their son for goodness sake – but it’s been made abundantly obvious that she doesn’t even trust him enough to do that. She knows that he’s never supported her and never believed in her. And she was AT THE DOCKS and (I’m 99% sure) seeking the person who ALWAYS supports her and believes in her.
Seriously guys we’re getting smacked in the face so hard with CS as TL that I’m surprised my face is still attached.
I have also spent hours pouring over old episodes finding all the CS clues from early episodes.
*shakes head*
The power of this ship is remarkable. I too have spent hours doing the same and also spent an utterly ridiculous amount of time voting for them in the PCAs. It turns grown ups into giggling fangirls(like I literally can’t believe how obsessed I am with a fictional couple???). I’m 24 on Sunday (PLEASE ADAM AND EDDY GIVE ME A PRESENT) and I am not actually doing anything for it, I will just be feverishly waiting for OUAT to start all day long.
Omg guys we’re going to be screaming/flailing/sobbing on Sunday, I think.
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