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@jeena_b I think that the Charmings are figuring out they’re more alike than they would have thought despite not being together for so long. Once David and Snow just kind of stopped forcing it which I felt they were doing a bit they kind of started finding their nitch as parents. Charming talked to Emma almost like he talks to Snow when she’s troubled. Snow also said to Emma later on that episode that “I used to think the exact same way.” It really was a sweet moment realizing that time and curses don’t break family bonds. In the end Emma still has her mother’s chin and her father’s tact. 😛
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@jeena_b I think that the Charmings are figuring out they’re more alike than they would have thought despite not being together for so long. Once David and Snow just kind of stopped forcing it which I felt they were doing a bit they kind of started finding their nitch as parents. Charming talked to Emma almost like he talks to Snow when she’s troubled. Snow also said to Emma later on that episode that “I used to think the exact same way.” It really was a sweet moment realizing that time and curses don’t break family bonds. In the end Emma still has her mother’s chin and her father’s tact.
Thank you finally a nice post on Snow and David 🙂
Stelio Kontos wrote: @jeena_b I think that the Charmings are figuring out they’re more alike than they would have thought despite not being together for so long. Once David and Snow just kind of stopped forcing it which I felt they were doing a bit they kind of started finding their nitch as parents. Charming talked to Emma almost like he talks to Snow when she’s troubled. Snow also said to Emma later on that episode that “I used to think the exact same way.” It really was a sweet moment realizing that time and curses don’t break family bonds. In the end Emma still has her mother’s chin and her father’s tact.
Thank you finally a nice post on Snow and David
Glad you thought so 🙂 I love seeing their relationship as a family it’s one of my favorite parts of the show. Being that I’m such an avid CS shipper I’m hoping Hook can win over mamma Snow like he’s done with David. Right now CaptainCharming is becoming my favorite brolationship I can just see them broing out at the Rabbit Hole one night lol
OMG I AM NOT OKAY THE CS FANDOM IS ON FIRE RIGHT NOW SERIOUSLY
http://fyesemmaandhook.tumblr.com/post/69464285836/based-on-this-post Not gonna lie. I squealed like a little girl when I saw this!!! 🙂
Also, the Bonnie and Clyde/ “Real” Neal Cassady info is VERY interesting! A&E definitely know what they’re doing when they name characters and add specific references to the show and this stuff is certainly no exception.
You know the many ways you understand each other: how you can both hotwire a car, the way you can look across a empty convenience store at one another without saying a word, simply make eye contact and know that you have stolen enough frozen burritos and spam to last the next 3 days. And the memories, oh the memories. Remember your first home? Of course you remember it you’re still driving it. The 40 minute vacations to the Motel 6 complete with complimentary used toiletries. The first time you met, how it was so cute the way he lied to make sure you weren’t both arrested for grand theft auto. Working together as a loving couple to find a way to obtain and sell stolen merchandise – well that didn’t end so well. Times were hard but the important thing is that you LOOOVVVED each other and you were oh, so very happy
This is so sad, but so true! When you put Neal and Emma’s history together like that, wouldn’t it make sense that she’d want to MOVE ON?
I loved Daddy Charming in the last episode. I feel like the flashback of Snowing was also meant to show us that he really knows how to handle Snow, and since he kept pointing out that Snow and Emma are so much alike he therefore also knows how to handle Emma now too. In the flashback what he basically did was give Snow advice but then let her figure things out on her own while being there to guide and protect her. I felt like that was exactly what he did with Emma.
And I think he recognizes that for some reason (that I haven’t exactly figure out yet) Snow isn’t quite as ready as he is to back off with pushing Neal. So I thought it was cute how when Snow said that Emma didn’t listen to them about meeting Neal he immediately said he had it and went to go get her. He knew that Emma did NOT need a lecture about Neal but just needed some fatherly advice.
But it is super interesting that NOTHING he said had anything to do with Neal or pushing her towards Neal. He know she loves Hook but he is being careful not to say or do anything that will put pressure on her. He thinks she needs to talk to Neal (which she does) but he is giving her advice so that she can let her walls down and choose the man she loves – who he KNOWS is Hook.
I think believing he was going to die made him decide that he needed to step up and be a dad, even though he thought he didn’t really know how. At the end of the day dealing with Emma is really no different than dealing with Snow when it comes to figuring out how handle her – they are the same age after all! It’s just a different kind of love. And he saw Hook prove himself to be an honorable man on NL and he made it very clear that he was doing everything for Emma. So Hook has been very upfront with Emma’s dad, which to someone like Charming will count for a lot. His response when Emma wondered if he was trying to keep her away from Hook was perfect. In my experience that’s how dads joke around with their daughters when they know they are interested in someone.
I’m hoping that Snow will follow Charming’s lead. I did like how she told Emma that she could relate to how she feels, even though Emma doesn’t think she can because being the Savior is different. I felt like that was the most MM moment we have had from her in a long time. But I’m wondering if it is going to take something major like whatever happens next week to be the bus that hits Snow and make her suddenly realize that Emma loves Hook and does NOT want Neal. Then I wonder if she is going to be like “Duh, why didn’t I understand how serious she was about Hook sooner???”
I think Daddy Charming is 100% CS, and I think Emma does too. His comments to Emma when he went to get her were spot on and showed not only who he’s rooting for
Really? For some reason, I’m having a hard time believing that. It just seemed like he was pushing Emma toward Neal. I love the Captain Charming dynamic, and I know David is starting to trust Hook more (he gave him his weapon to use in NL), but I’m not entirely convinced that he is rooting for CS yet. It’s difficult for me to understand why MM and David haven’t said ANYTHING to Neal about the fact that he left Emma to go to jail. They might feel guilty about abandoning her themselves, even if they thought it was to give Emma her best chance.
He know she loves Hook but he is being careful not to say or do anything that will put pressure on her. He thinks she needs to talk to Neal (which she does) but he is giving her advice so that she can let her walls down and choose the man she loves – who he KNOWS is Hook.
I might need to re-watch that scene, because when I first saw it, I just didn’t pick up anything that indicated that David knows Emma loves Hook. I hope I’m wrong, because I would LOVE for David to know that Emma loves Hook and be secretly rooting for CS! I agree that Emma should talk to Neal, but I’m just not sure that her parents really understand what’s going on with CS yet.
Charming, Charming, Charming! I think he leans more toward understanding the Hook thing than Snow will until it’s smack dab in front of her face. Seriously, until there’s some big swooping kiss right in front of her, I’m convinced she’ll keep pushing Neal (and maybe even after that unless said kiss breaks a curse or something because she just does not want to see it – which is funny cause as MM she could read Emma, and she’s been watching Emma and Hook for awhile now and is still blind as a bat). Charming on the other hand….he should be relating to Emma on so many aspects of this and they didn’t use anywhere near the conversation I thought they would!
I was expecting him to say he knows what it feels like to be the person in the center of a love triangle. He went through this as David with the Kathryn/MM stuff (even though he was cursed, he will remember these things) and I expected him to say something about regardless of obligations, follow your heart. You saw what it did with the whole Kathryn situation etc etc. Like…Charming should get it. On top of that, he’s had a “parent” (I use it loosely because of King George) tell him how to feel and who to be with and practically demand that he find a way to make that happen (oh hello parallel), but in the end he could’t stop himself from following his heart and he’s happier for it (and frankly so is everyone else that actually matters – cya George).
I’m not sure that his conversation with Emma was so much pushing her as trying to find out what was going on. He made it sound like he thought something was wrong with her because she didn’t show up….but he clearly wasn’t running around town like a chicken with its head cut off thinking the worst either. He’s learning how to deal with her too but he knows he’s not as pushy with Snow so in this case he was a million percent right in being the one to talk to her. Emma and MM were best friends and got each other and she would have been who Emma would have gone to, but now it’s more pushing Snow’s agenda than letting Emma think and react to anything for herself. We keep getting what Snow wants, but what’s going through Emma’s mind.
Emma said “It’s not about Neal it’s about Henry” and moved on from that. It was appeasing the biggest question that would get the most attention. Funny how when she says “It’s just a kiss” people buy into it but then “It’s not about Neal” is totally swept under the rug. She ALWAYS does this deflecting thing. She was worried about Henry (checking her phone cause he hadn’t called yet) and she went to some place special for them waiting for her little boy to get in touch with her. She didn’t go to the diner to see Henry’s father and voice her concerns though, did she? That lunch came with the “or I’ll stop bugging you” thing from Neal (2nd time he’s offered something like that and 2nd time she’s taken that deal), and she had a million reasons she could have shown up! It would have been an excellent parallel to David & MM if she had shown up even to say she couldn’t do that right now. (Funny how the perfect parallels keep stacking up and NOT used)
Charming didn’t really push either side, but he is on Snow’s side as much as possible (he doesn’t like being in the doghouse!) and it makes sense. Emma probably jumped to the conclusion that Charming would automatically want what Snow wants. Charming I think wants Emma to be happy and he’s either not sure what would make her happy or he’s trying to back off to balance out Snow who is, as always, a little pushy. She sees a chance of happiness in whatever way and takes it, no matter how much it screws up somebody’s life (remember how she was afraid that Regina would lose her mother just like she lost Eva and THAT’S why she told Cora about Daniel? Regina would have been SO much better off without Cora but Snow couldn’t understand that because she knew what it was like to lose her mother. In this case, Snow’s first love is Charming and she can’t fathom a world that he doesn’t exist in much less moving on from him, so she’s projecting that onto Emma).
Emma was clearly thinking certain things in that conversation with Charming though. She asked him if he thought having lunch with Neal was the right choice and he said “I don’t know if it’s the right thing to do” (I think that’s what he said) followed by a joke about whether Neal eats with his mouth open. Instead of just ending it there, Emma goes on to ask if Charming is pushing her toward Neal to keep her away from Hook and once again, he jokes with her to change the subject. Charming really doesn’t know what will make her happy and that’s what he wants. But I do think he’s on the thing with Snow about at least going and figuring things out for herself and not even doing it for Neal. (And they do need to talk at some point).
When Neal asked Emma to begin with, he said he wanted a chance to talk and she said “Isn’t that what we’re doing right now?” which usually means…”why do we need to bother with that?” She had a bittersweet smile on her face and she knows that they need to talk and he is being really nice and sweet right now and left it open-ended, but she didn’t show up. She knew what clauses were attached to not showing up, and she chose not to go. Snow can’t accept that choice and we haven’t actually heard from Neal yet, but we know that Charming had to drag her back and even then she wasn’t all “you’re right! I need to get there right now, can you drive me?” Her last comment that we saw before arriving at the diner was “You sure you aren’t trying to keep me away from Hook?” which implies that he might NEED to because that’s the only way it’s gonna happen.Which of course was quickly followed by her stopping at an inopportune time to jump to conclusions about Hook and Tink and look visibly upset.
She was supposedly on her way to a date with Neal that she wasn’t in any rush for and had to be dragged to in the first place (even though it came with the stipulation that if she doesn’t show he’d back off), and she was more worried about Hook and Tink (while a woman was screaming in terror and being killed down the street no less).
Sadly nobody else saw that of course but I can’t wait til she gets a chance to talk to Tink or Hook about it. She definitely had the “I’ll deal with you later” look on her face and I love that every time she sees Hook with Tink she gets upset. It’s subtle, but she did NOT like Tink showing up in the first place and now she’s running out of Granny’s with Hook? They need to chat. Pronto.
Thankfully Emma and Hook always find a way to have their “moments” amid the chaos so I’m sure they’ll find a way as per usual (a la Snowing). Charming told her to appreciate the moments and not get caught up in all the bad things that happen (just like Snow), but he doesn’t seem to realize that her moments, the ones where she’s feeling good and can breathe and smile amongst the chaos that is her life have been with Hook. NL was a series of those moments. People got upset because she wasn’t focusing 24/7 on Henry if she was having “moments” with Hook but that’s exactly what Charming was telling her – to find the good within the bad and embrace those moments. I’ve lost track of how many “moments” we’ve had this season, but there have been a TON of them. And they had Emma smiling and happy and feeling loved and believed in and embracing every part of herself and “feeling good” when she kissed Hook etc. Those are the moments that come to mind for Emma in these types of situations. First Henry, now Hook (aka: her true loves).
Lots more to meta on but will stop here for now. LOVE LOVE LOVE the graphics that keep coming up! Lots of Princess Bride feels already but seeing those side-by-side I just…*feels* Also um…the only difference is that Westley is using his left hand but Hook only has a hook so isn’t and I just gave myself a ton of feelings and will now go sit in the corner as penance and sob because it’s just too sad. (Can’t wait for context on those looks though. Intense feelings!
Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.
Question: I’m loving this season of Once Upon a Time and was wondering if you guys had any spoilers about what’s coming up for Neal and Emma? I heard the first episode after the winter break is set in NYC. — Heather
Ausiello: We asked the Once creators about the midseason premiere, which airs March 9 and is titled “New York City Serenade.” But other than confirming that the Bruce Springsteen fan in him had a hand in coming up with that title, Adam Horowitz would only confirm, “There’s a lot of Emma in that episode, that is for sure.”
http://tvline.com/2013/12/10/true-blood-season-8-spoilers-lafayette-boyfriend/
Not sure how that answer connects to that question at all but thought I’d leave this here for people to speculate. Interesting indeed! Question was about Neal & Emma. Ausiello asked A&E about the midseason premiere (which wasn’t exactly the question though it does match the NY stuff cause some probably were expecting more N/E instead…) and then we hear lots of EMMA only which…doesn’t say much about the original question….but we do know we get all the Hook and Emma in NY stuff!
(Please be respectful over any celebrations though. It’s all open to interpretation until they finally definitively tell us on the show and we don’t want this place to turn into one of the “in your face” shipper war spots like “the wilds” as RG refers to them. We can all celebrate/love or hate whatever we want, just be respectful. We have a lot of wonderful people around here that just don’t see the same things we do.)
Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.
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