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@PriceofMagic wrote:
@Sarah_TN wrote:
I know about first loves, and I know about true loves, and I know Neal is Henry’s father, but…I’d like to see the show place value in the concept of step-families. There’s lots of room for story telling, and those of us who have experience know that while the road can be rocky, true love to be found there, too.
I too would like to see Emma end up with someone other than Neal. By all means, Emma and Neal should give their relationship another go in order to resolve any left over feelings they have for one another. If it continues or falls apart then it’s all good. However, I don’t want them to get back together just for the sole reason that Neal is Henry’s father.
@Jolly Roger wrote:
They may not kill Neal this season but I believe they will definately kill him off next season. I stand by what I said, if they were planning on keeping Neal long term they would have bumped him up to series regular. Since they didn’t, it just shows that Neal is crucial to the show.
Killing Neal would definitely send Rumple on a trip back to the dark side and potentially set him up as a villain for at least half a season. Rumple’s not really been a villain so far but has been playing both sides against each other. Rumple’s motivation as a villain would be grief instead of revenge (Regina), power (Cora) or greed (Tamara).
As for the ‘fun in vegas’ thing- That was ages ago! That was when the cast, writers, directors were trying to not give any hints that CS was going to happen. I wouldn’t take that too seriously. You’re looking at one little quote from an interview and ignoring the hundreds of other evidence that shows us CS is happening and, as they say, ‘canon’. What you should look at is, the chemistry, Paleyfest (that was huge for CS), as well as more recent interviews.
If CaptainSwan was going to be a serious long term relationship thing you would think the writer would have said “keep watching” or “you’ll have to wait and see” rather than “fun in vegas”. I can’t remember much from Paleyfest (Was CaptainSwan addressed there? What was said there?) and I’ve not really kept up to date with recent interviews (What was said about CaptainSwan?)
As for chemistry, I’ve seen Hook using a lot of innuendo towards Emma and even some innuendo towards Snow. Emma tolerates Hook and even taunts him at times which I suppose could be seen as flirting with him. Never have I looked at them and thought this is a couple that will settle down into a successful long term relationship.
Sarah_TN– Don’t wory it will happen 😀 The directors said that they try to please everyone (including different ‘ships’). However in the end they are going to go with what they planned from the beginning – Emma/Hook (which they had actually planned since season 1) 😀
Has it actually been said that Emma/Hook was planned since season 1?
Well, let’s remember this quote from here:
Kitsis said “KITSIS: It’s hard to deny the handsomeness of Hook. The real question is, is he going to lose the guy-liner in Storybrooke? And the answer is no. Emma is going to find herself with a few choices this season. In all life, there are the people that are right for you and there are the people that are wrong for you, and then there are the people that you just choose. Emma is going to face all those things. We’ll see what happens.”
Remember what Cora said to Hook when he met her at the base of the beanstalk? He said “You chose her”. Does this mean Emma chooses Hook too? Like Kitsis said, we’ll just wait to see what happens. He may not be a great father figure for Henry yet, but let’s see what season 3 does with Killian Jones when it begins, versus who Killian Jones may/can be when it ends.
[adrotate group="5"]When I said that they had planned CS since Season 1, I didnt mean that it was stated. In a season 2 episode, there was Hook’s hand in Rumples’ castle. This means that they planned to bring in Hook from the beginning. Now I believe that when they planned to bring in Hook, they also planned to put him with Emma – Hook’s story is similar to Emma (heart ripping out, trust issues etc.). They had wanted to put Emma with Hook since the beginning (they couldnt get the rights of Hook). This is why I believe that they had planned it since season 1.
They had no problem getting rights for Hook.
Hook is Public Domain.
They had a problem getting rights for Peter Pan.And my question was more concerning the part where you stated that the writers try to please everyone and do what the fans want.
I don’t think they ever said that.
They tell the story their way.
If they did what the fans want, it would be one huge, convoluted fanfic and I would not watch it.
I want the story K&H want to tell, not the story the fans want to tell.[quoteIf they did what the fans want, it would be one huge, convoluted fanfic and I would not watch it.
I want the story K&H want to tell, not the story the fans want to tell.][/quote] I agree ❗ ❗Jolly, I understand you feel this thread should only be for “pro-cs” statements, rather like stating a favorite scene or line. People don’t debate who likes what on those threads, each person just tosses up what resonated for them.
The thing is, this thread also has posters discussing, predicting and analyzing the relationship between Emma and Hook. So what happens when people agree partially or have different views than you do that CS are a OTP cannon “endgame” magically true love couple? Do we need a thread for each variation of a relationship between CS? I do agree people should refrain from long arguments about why Emma belongs with someone else, because there are other threads for that. But where can you discuss the shades in between your view and something more like a “hey I just met you, call me maybe?” situation?
@Jolly Roger wrote:
As for the ‘fun in vegas’ thing- That was ages ago! That was when the cast, writers, directors were trying to not give any hints that CS was going to happen. I wouldn’t take that too seriously. You’re looking at one little quote from an interview and ignoring the hundreds of other evidence that shows us CS is happening and, as they say, ‘canon’. What you should look at is, the chemistry, Paleyfest (that was huge for CS), as well as more recent interviews.
That interview was dated the first week of January this year. Two and a half months is “ages ago”? There have been more recent interviews though that continue the mixed messages. I wish I could have links handy for all of them, but I’m not that organized so maybe someone else can point you to some of them.
Look at Adam’s use of the words “lots of” to avoid confirming CaptainSwan in response to fa6oum who asked about it. “Lots of Emma and lots of Hook”. You posted that twitter conversation on March 27 in this thread. Why didn’t he just say “Lots of Emma and Hook.” in response? I think it would flow more naturally, except it would lend more support of them as a couple so maybe he wanted to avoid that. Then, they had a similar cryptic response about Emma and Neal in the TvGuide Lightning Round Interview of March 13. They don’t say there is hope, but that on this show, one should never give up hope. They were also asked on the podcast of the last episode about a Neal and Emma romance in the future . I can’t find a transcript or listen to it again right now, but again, they answer was not a “no” or a “yes” but something in between that would let listeners think what they want.
It’s easy to misread things when we really want a certain result to be true.
Let’s take your response to an earlier post by SnowywhiteRoseRed as an example. You say Snowy has a contradiction in the post. I’ll edit down to the relevant parts of what you both said.
@Jolly Roger wrote:
@snowywhiterosyred wrote:
[SNIp] But the show has made it pretty clear that you only get one soul mate, and Hook’s is dead. Plus, Hook plays dirty with all the women. He didn’t really love her, he was just being a player. And the fact that Hook is step-dad to the father of her son (seriously, the relationships in this are insane) makes this all just wrong. [SNIP]
[SNIP]
And you’ve contradicted yourself, you said that Milah was his true love and then you’ve said that he never really loved her..Read the part I colored blue in Snowy’s post. What makes the most sense is that Snowy is referring to Hook never really having loved Emma, not never having loved Milah. Otherwise, Snowy would have been saying that Hook is Rumplestilskin’s step-dad. I wouldn’t put it past the show to toss that twist our way, but for now, I cannot give you a scene or quote to back up my view that Hook is NOT Rumpel’s stepdad. Some things you just have to infer from what we ARE shown.
Now the point that Hook is a series regular is interesting. People can drop from regular to recurring (didn’t that happen to Hopper?). They can also go from recurring to regular—and I thought MJR’s contract had an option for the show to pick him up as a regular. Only thing I can say for sure is that Neal has more people to mourn for him, than does Hook. And at this point in the story, we have not been shown much reason for Emma to mourn Hook. Things can always change.
“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
@KFChimera wrote:
Jolly, I understand you feel this thread should only be for “pro-cs” statements, rather like stating a favorite scene or line. People don’t debate who likes what on those threads, each person just tosses up what resonated for them.
The thing is, this thread also has posters discussing, predicting and analyzing the relationship between Emma and Hook. So what happens when people agree partially or have different views than you do that CS are a OTP cannon “endgame” magically true love couple? Do we need a thread for each variation of a relationship between CS? I do agree people should refrain from long arguments about why Emma belongs with someone else, because there are other threads for that. But where can you discuss the shades in between your view and something more like a “hey I just met you, call me maybe?” situation?
@Jolly Roger wrote:
As for the ‘fun in vegas’ thing- That was ages ago! That was when the cast, writers, directors were trying to not give any hints that CS was going to happen. I wouldn’t take that too seriously. You’re looking at one little quote from an interview and ignoring the hundreds of other evidence that shows us CS is happening and, as they say, ‘canon’. What you should look at is, the chemistry, Paleyfest (that was huge for CS), as well as more recent interviews.
That interview was dated the first week of January this year. Two and a half months is “ages ago”? There have been more recent interviews though that continue the mixed messages. I wish I could have links handy for all of them, but I’m not that organized so maybe someone else can point you to some of them.
Look at Adam’s use of the words “lots of” to avoid confirming CaptainSwan in response to fa6oum who asked about it. “Lots of Emma and lots of Hook”. You posted that twitter conversation on March 27 in this thread. Why didn’t he just say “Lots of Emma and Hook.” in response? I think it would flow more naturally, except it would lend more support of them as a couple so maybe he wanted to avoid that. Then, they had a similar cryptic response about Emma and Neal in the TvGuide Lightning Round Interview of March 13. They don’t say there is hope, but that on this show, one should never give up hope. They were also asked on the podcast of the last episode about a Neal and Emma romance in the future . I can’t find a transcript or listen to it again right now, but again, they answer was not a “no” or a “yes” but something in between that would let listeners think what they want.
It’s easy to misread things when we really want a certain result to be true.
Let’s take your response to an earlier post by SnowywhiteRoseRed as an example. You say Snowy has a contradiction in the post. I’ll edit down to the relevant parts of what you both said.
@Jolly Roger wrote:
@snowywhiterosyred wrote:
[SNIp] But the show has made it pretty clear that you only get one soul mate, and Hook’s is dead. Plus, Hook plays dirty with all the women. He didn’t really love her, he was just being a player. And the fact that Hook is step-dad to the father of her son (seriously, the relationships in this are insane) makes this all just wrong. [SNIP]
[SNIP]
And you’ve contradicted yourself, you said that Milah was his true love and then you’ve said that he never really loved her..Read the part I colored blue in Snowy’s post. What makes the most sense is that Snowy is referring to Hook never really having loved Emma, not never having loved Milah. Otherwise, Snowy would have been saying that Hook is Rumplestilskin’s step-dad. I wouldn’t put it past the show to toss that twist our way, but for now, I cannot give you a scene or quote to back up my view that Hook is NOT Rumpel’s stepdad. Some things you just have to infer from what we ARE shown.
Now the point that Hook is a series regular is interesting. People can drop from regular to recurring (didn’t that happen to Hopper?). They can also go from recurring to regular—and I thought MJR’s contract had an option for the show to pick him up as a regular. Only thing I can say for sure is that Neal has more people to mourn for him, than does Hook. And at this point in the story, we have not been shown much reason for Emma to mourn Hook. Things can always change.
If Colin O’Donoghue goes from series regular to recurring, I’ll be devestated. Honestly, truly, he’s become why I watch the show.
@KFChimera wrote:
Jolly, I understand you feel this thread should only be for “pro-cs” statements, rather like stating a favorite scene or line. People don’t debate who likes what on those threads, each person just tosses up what resonated for them.
The thing is, this thread also has posters discussing, predicting and analyzing the relationship between Emma and Hook. So what happens when people agree partially or have different views than you do that CS are a OTP cannon “endgame” magically true love couple? Do we need a thread for each variation of a relationship between CS? I do agree people should refrain from long arguments about why Emma belongs with someone else, because there are other threads for that. But where can you discuss the shades in between your view and something more like a “hey I just met you, call me maybe?” situation?
@Jolly Roger wrote:
As for the ‘fun in vegas’ thing- That was ages ago! That was when the cast, writers, directors were trying to not give any hints that CS was going to happen. I wouldn’t take that too seriously. You’re looking at one little quote from an interview and ignoring the hundreds of other evidence that shows us CS is happening and, as they say, ‘canon’. What you should look at is, the chemistry, Paleyfest (that was huge for CS), as well as more recent interviews.
That interview was dated the first week of January this year. Two and a half months is “ages ago”? There have been more recent interviews though that continue the mixed messages. I wish I could have links handy for all of them, but I’m not that organized so maybe someone else can point you to some of them.
Look at Adam’s use of the words “lots of” to avoid confirming CaptainSwan in response to fa6oum who asked about it. “Lots of Emma and lots of Hook”. You posted that twitter conversation on March 27 in this thread. Why didn’t he just say “Lots of Emma and Hook.” in response? I think it would flow more naturally, except it would lend more support of them as a couple so maybe he wanted to avoid that. Then, they had a similar cryptic response about Emma and Neal in the TvGuide Lightning Round Interview of March 13. They don’t say there is hope, but that on this show, one should never give up hope. They were also asked on the podcast of the last episode about a Neal and Emma romance in the future . I can’t find a transcript or listen to it again right now, but again, they answer was not a “no” or a “yes” but something in between that would let listeners think what they want.
It’s easy to misread things when we really want a certain result to be true.
Let’s take your response to an earlier post by SnowywhiteRoseRed as an example. You say Snowy has a contradiction in the post. I’ll edit down to the relevant parts of what you both said.
@Jolly Roger wrote:
@snowywhiterosyred wrote:
[SNIp] But the show has made it pretty clear that you only get one soul mate, and Hook’s is dead. Plus, Hook plays dirty with all the women. He didn’t really love her, he was just being a player. And the fact that Hook is step-dad to the father of her son (seriously, the relationships in this are insane) makes this all just wrong. [SNIP]
[SNIP]
And you’ve contradicted yourself, you said that Milah was his true love and then you’ve said that he never really loved her..Read the part I colored blue in Snowy’s post. What makes the most sense is that Snowy is referring to Hook never really having loved Emma, not never having loved Milah. Otherwise, Snowy would have been saying that Hook is Rumplestilskin’s step-dad. I wouldn’t put it past the show to toss that twist our way, but for now, I cannot give you a scene or quote to back up my view that Hook is NOT Rumpel’s stepdad. Some things you just have to infer from what we ARE shown.
Now the point that Hook is a series regular is interesting. People can drop from regular to recurring (didn’t that happen to Hopper?). They can also go from recurring to regular—and I thought MJR’s contract had an option for the show to pick him up as a regular. Only thing I can say for sure is that Neal has more people to mourn for him, than does Hook. And at this point in the story, we have not been shown much reason for Emma to mourn Hook. Things can always change.
You sound like you really know what you’re talking about. Do you have anything to do with the production of the show?
You’re looking at one little quote from an interview and ignoring the hundreds of other evidence that shows us CS is happening and, as they say, ‘canon’.
I don’t think you quite understand the definition of ‘canon’ :
Canon basically means ‘official’.
Something confirmed by the writers as fact.CS was not proven as fact by the writers.
It is a theory, a hope, for some, but not canon.An example of canon:
Mr Gold/Rumplestiltskin did not have his memories back until Emma said her name at Granny’s B&B in eps 2.That was ‘oficially’ confirmed by the writers.
That is ‘canon’.If anybody does a twitter search, there are just as many fans of Neal as there are Captain Hook. That said, there is a HUGE block of fandom out there that loves the idea of Captain Swan…..of the people who still watch the show.
I know that some people think this show is only for the writers, and they shouldn’t have to listen to the fans….yeah, whatever.
I’ve seen here before where somebody said they don’t owe anything to this show. They’re right. I’m a viewer who takes time out of my schedule to watch it. I owe ABC nothing. H&K do owe ABC, though. They owe a good product which ABC gave their confidence for Once Upon A Time to carry.
If ratings are bad as it sounds like they are, it really seems to me like somebody would have the common sense to make fans happy so they’ll want to watch. If that’s not a priority, then why watch it? My point? I think Captain Swan would be good for ratings, and I think the powers-that-be would have to be braindead to pass the opportunity up. Are there other characters/ships people like? Yes, there are, but if anybody wants to do some homework, he/she might find that a majority of people are bored to tears by Neal, and have a large preference for Captain Hook. Get rid of Hook, get rid of the show.
Haters: Whine, cry, pitch your fits, and throw all the tantrums you want over what I just said. It isn’t going to change logistics for things to be anything other than what they are. I’ll say it again: Get rid of Hook, get rid of the show. I like Colin, but I’m creeped out by stuff I read by people. I’m not going to go into it, but I am going to say that if he can’t do it, recast him, and find somebody else who can. relationship and dynamic that fans want, and a replacement will easily and quickly be looked over so long as it is Captain Hook.
That’s all I have to say about it.
@TheBee wrote:
If anybody does a twitter search, there are just as many fans of Neal as there are Captain Hook. That said, there is a HUGE block of fandom out there that loves the idea of Captain Swan…..of the people who still watch the show.
I know that some people think this show is only for the writers, and they shouldn’t have to listen to the fans….yeah, whatever.
I’ve seen here before where somebody said they don’t owe anything to this show. They’re right. I’m a viewer who takes time out of my schedule to watch it. I owe ABC nothing. H&K do owe ABC, though. They owe a good product which ABC gave their confidence for Once Upon A Time to carry.
If ratings are bad as it sounds like they are, it really seems to me like somebody would have the common sense to make fans happy so they’ll want to watch. If that’s not a priority, then why watch it? My point? I think Captain Swan would be good for ratings, and I think the powers-that-be would have to be braindead to pass the opportunity up. Are there other characters/ships people like? Yes, there are, but if anybody wants to do some homework, he/she might find that a majority of people are bored to tears by Neal, and have a large preference for Captain Hook. Get rid of Hook, get rid of the show.
Haters: Whine, cry, pitch your fits, and throw all the tantrums you want over what I just said. It isn’t going to change logistics for things to be anything other than what they are. I’m sure I’ll hear X, Y, and Z about the main characters, etc. There’s been a lot of that while Hook’s been away, and whoa, what wonderful results that’s had for ratings…NOT! I’ll say it again: Get rid of Hook, get rid of the show. I like Colin, but I’m creeped out by stuff I read by people. I’m not going to go into it, but I am going to say that if he can’t do it, recast him, and find somebody else who can. relationship and dynamic that fans want, and a replacement will easily and quickly be looked over so long as it is Captain Hook.
That’s all I have to say about it.
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