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another look at the Echo Caves
my favorite part:
Then what ends up happening is that Emma, even though she makes it across the bridge to him, in order to actually free him, she has to acknowledge all of the pain she’s been hoarding for almost a decade and reveal that she wished he was dead so that she didn’t have to face him and all of the past and she could just move on a lot easier. The writers basically made her have to take the tough way and deal with her demons, so the act of free Neal, was actually freeing herself.
Not only, do you have Emma’s past (Neal) on one end of the cave and Hook (her future) on the other, and on top of that, Emma confronting her past (Neal) so she can finally move on. Emma doesn’t open up very often and talk about her feelings, so for her, to be put in a position where she has to face them, is awesome. I don’t see why SF sees this scene as something positive or great for their ‘ship. It’s really not.
She’s confronting her feelings, what holding onto Neal has done to her. It’s prevented her from moving on and finding happiness again, and Neal basically represents, pain. He caused her pain and continued to cause her pain, even after their reunion. The way the scene was written, it couldn’t have been done better. It was perfect.
Happy New Years everyone. Hoping for a wonderful year and Hook-filled spring.
Hoping for a Captain Swan spring!!! 😉 Happy New Year to you too!
@obisgirl – I totally agree. I honestly don’t understand how SFers think it’s a good thing either, especially, because the last time Emma told Neal she loved him, they played the True Love song… yeah she truly loves him, we know that. But in that scene, they played EMMA’S SONG, the song of PAIN AND ABANDONMENT.Not to mention that she said “I love you and I probably always will BUT”. I mean, that rings of FINALITY. I thought when she said that that she wouldn’t be telling Neal she loved him again. And I was right – in 3×11, when they were saying goodbye and didn’t know how long it would be until they saw each other again, was the PERFECT time to exchange “I love you’s, they gave them one of the most platonic goodbyes I’ve ever seen between people who love each other.
Swanfire has run it’s course, romantically. They are moving on towards a friendship, and I hope to see it, for both their sakes.
But yeah. 99.9% sure Emma won’t be telling Neal she loves him again.
VIVA LA CAPTAIN SWAN!!! 🙂
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Happy New Year to all my CS shipmates and fellow Oncers! Hope you all have a wonderful year filled with many blessings and many good CS moments! 🙂
She’s confronting her feelings, what holding onto Neal has done to her. It’s prevented her from moving on and finding happiness again, and Neal basically represents, pain.
I agree. Emma tends to hold on to things for a LONG time. She went looking for her parents for YEARS and she even went to Tallahassee to search for Neal for a couple of years. She doesn’t move on from pain easily. For instance, what happened to Graham still affects her (she still wears his shoelace around her wrist).
What comes to mind in regards to this, is the bar scene in “Manhattan” where Neal asks Emma why she still has the swan keychain/necklace he gave her. She replies, “To remind myself never to trust someone again.” That one sentence speaks VOLUMES! She admitted to Neal that HE is the reason she has trust issues. And then, in her first real attempt at moving on from him, she gave him that keychain/necklace back. I think that’s significant.
I think that was the beginning of her process of moving on. The Echo Caves scene to me was simply more of Emma’s moving on process. Facing her past pain so that she can learn to trust and find happiness again. The only person in that episode that truly offered her a chance at happiness, free of a past tainted with pain is Hook. Just my opinion. I’m not trying to bash Neal at all. In many ways I feel very sorry for him, but not when it comes to Emma.
in 3×11, when they were saying goodbye and didn’t know how long it would be until they saw each other again, was the PERFECT time to exchange “I love you’s, they gave them one of the most platonic goodbyes I’ve ever seen between people who love each other.
VERY good point! I also thought the Swanfire goodbye scene was very platonic and it’s highly likely that it was written that way on purpose.
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Killian Jones + vocabulary porn
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Oh, our Hook is so smart…or as we say in Massachusetts “wicked smaaaa-ht”…I love it!
So I’m doing a S2 rewatch…ok, so maybe I’ve only gotten through the Hook-centric ones…and I’ve noticed a few things that I guess you couldn’t really see until after S3a.
Manhattan:
1) Neal??? What is WRONG with you? You don’t see someone you say you loved for 11 years and you rip into her as soon as you see her?! Seriously?! 2) Go Emma! She’s not afraid to give anyone a verbal lashing if they deserve it but she just doesn’t hold back in that bar scene. Nor should she. Now, had I been her, I probably would’ve followed it up with a swift kick, but I don’t have Emma’s restraint!
The Epi when the girls end up in Dark One’s cell, forget the name…too lazy to go back and look!
Ok, and I really don’t think I’ve got my ‘shipper goggles’ on here…how does anyone say that Hook leaving Emma in the cell is some horrific and dastardly act? After leaving him with some giant that, based on the general opinion of the human population is pretty much a death sentence? Um, no. Hook completely explains himself, and makes it clear why exactly she’s landed in the mess she’s in. And frankly, I think by that time, Hook knew full well she’d figure out how to get herself out of the cell. At no time do I believe she OR Hook thought she was actually going to be left to die. That scene has actually become one of my favorites – one thing that few people have really done with Emma is forced her to look at her faults, especially at that time. Others sort of guide her around – ex: Snow’s “she’ll get there” in 3×5 (?) when Regina’s showing her magic – but no one really stands there, looks her in the eye, and points out how self-destructive she is like Hook does. While at the same time, knowing exactly when she needs something spelled out for her and when she needs support to figure it out for herself. And…we’re supposed to root for Neal? Buddy’s got some work to do if he’s even remotely interested in trying to win Emma back romantically…which I’m not sure he even really does.
And don’t even get me started with Milah!! Does that gal have even one redeeming quality??? Yikes. Although it does support my theory that Hook’s past actions are not solely revenge for losing her, but have more to do with Bae, and my theory that as CS moves forward, Hook realizes it may not have even been a real love like it is with Emma.
Ok, rants over! I should probably figure out where my son is and how much of the house he’s managed to destroy…Happy New Year all!!!
Happy New Year to all my CS shipmates and fellow Oncers! Hope you all have a wonderful year filled with many blessings and many good CS moments!
And the same to you!!! 🙂
What comes to mind in regards to this, is the bar scene in “Manhattan” where Neal asks Emma why she still has the swan keychain/necklace he gave her. She replies, “To remind myself never to trust someone again.” That one sentence speaks VOLUMES! She admitted to Neal that HE is the reason she has trust issues. And then, in her first real attempt at moving on from him, she gave him that keychain/necklace back. I think that’s significant.
^^^^ GREAT point. I never even saw that as the start of her moving on.
I’m not trying to bash Neal at all. In many ways I feel very sorry for him, but not when it comes to Emma.
^^^^ Agreed. We don’t actually bash Neal here, I mean, there is some terrible stuff on tumblr and I’ve had to block a few people who are downright vicious about him.
He and Emma are not True Love. That’s what it ultimately comes down to – because no-one would treat their True Loves in the way that Neal did. And I’m not just talking about him being an accomplice to putting her to jail. There are many, MANY times where he has subtly and not-so-subtly put her down. When True Love is supposed to LIFT YOU UP.
Sometimes I can get so angry at him for what he did to Emma, but anything I do say about him in comparison to Killian is how he is not an example – that I would see anyway – of A&Es version of TL.
I think @MysteryKat25 said it – but if Swanfire are what a fairytale romance is supposed to be like, then I don’t want it.
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CaptainEala wrote: in 3×11, when they were saying goodbye and didn’t know how long it would be until they saw each other again, was the PERFECT time to exchange “I love you’s, they gave them one of the most platonic goodbyes I’ve ever seen between people who love each other.
VERY good point! I also thought the Swanfire goodbye scene was very platonic and it’s highly likely that it was written that way on purpose.
Yeah, I mean, at the beginning of this season I was a bit apprehensive they might go the love triangle route, and put Emma with Neal before eventually moving on with Killian. But I saw very quickly before Neal came back into the picture that it’s just not in Emma’s character to do that kind of thing. Emma forms very deep emotional attachments, just like you said, so it would make absolutely zero sense for her to get with Neal again and skedaddle back over to Killian (and lol, vice-versa I suppose). It literally makes no sense for her character.
And then there’s what the show is actually SHOWING us. Every opportunity they had to give us a romantic Swanfire scene, they didn’t take it.
- They didn’t take the opportunity during their reunion in Ariel (in fact it was the extreme OPPOSITE of romantic)
- They didn’t take the opportunity outside the cave in Ariel
- They didn’t take the opportunity in Dark Hollow (in fact they gave the opportunity to Killian)
- They didn’t take the opportunity in Save Henry, when he and Emma were alone together (no Killian in sight)
- They didn’t take the opportunity in The New Neverland, when Neal specifically asked for lunch, and said that if she didn’t go to lunch he would “stop bugging her” and Emma wilfully DID NOT meet up with him
- They didn’t take the opportunity in Going Home during their goodbye (gave the romantic goodbye to Killian)
- They didn’t take the opportunity in Going Home when it, BY ALL ACCOUNTS, should have been Neal, when he had failed to find her so many times before, but again, they gave that opportunity to Killian, and all through season 1 and 2 we were watching Snowing find each other again and again
So yeah, it’s clearly not something the writers want to do, lol.
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Neal??? What is WRONG with you? You don’t see someone you say you loved for 11 years and you rip into her as soon as you see her?! Seriously?!
THANK YOU this is one of the reasons I requested that gifset that caused such a controversy lol. The difference is clear!!! I highly doubt Charming would have yelled at Snow if Snow had accidentally brought George to him after not seeing her for 11 years. Lol
Ok, and I really don’t think I’ve got my ‘shipper goggles’ on here…how does anyone say that Hook leaving Emma in the cell is some horrific and dastardly act? After leaving him with some giant that, based on the general opinion of the human population is pretty much a death sentence? Um, no. Hook completely explains himself, and makes it clear why exactly she’s landed in the mess she’s in. And frankly, I think by that time, Hook knew full well she’d figure out how to get herself out of the cell. At no time do I believe she OR Hook thought she was actually going to be left to die.
LMAO, I find that argument soooooooo funny, I really do. It’s literally IMO, grasping at straws *shrugs*
Yeah, and I mean, Emma knew herself it was her own fault. She blamed herself. And it was true, she should have trusted her instincts about him. But we ALL know why she couldn’t.
Killian didn’t trap her there maliciously, in fact the whole time he was speaking to her you could clearly see he was hurt.
And I just love how everyone’s like “EVEN RUMPLE COULDN’T GET OUT OF THE CELL” when EMMA HERSELF SAID THAT VERY EPISODE “you could’ve gotten out”
And p.s. I highly doubt Killian knew that the cell was supposed to be “inescapable”, because if he had known about Rumple being in that cell and powerless, he would have went and executed his revenge post-haste 🙂
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