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Man how many 2013 round ups has Captain Swan been a part of? I’ve seen so many, which is very good. Only couple from Once.
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Did everyone read that amazing meta from onceuponamirror that both @obisgirl and I posted??? Because in it she mentions that the writers tell everyone what to root for in the finale. And here we have an example of EXACTLY that – the media are picking up what is SUPPOSED to be picked up!!
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Hook and “finding someone else.” I just chuckle when I see stuff like that…stuff about how people hope Hook can find someone else later on. The reasons they hope he does are honestly irrelevant, as is the person they hope he ends up with. Like, watch the show. It’s not happening. Do you really think A&E are going to change EVERYTHING they have established on this show about the nature of true love? When Killian appears at Emma’s door at the end of 3×11, he tries to kiss her – he says he thinks he can make her remember. True love’s kiss breaks any curse. Killian wouldn’t try it unless he actually thought she was his true love. True love magic isn’t something you can TRICK, and it’s not like Killian hasn’t had, I don’t know, basically an entire year to think about NOTHING BUT how he feels about Emma. He’s worked it out by now. He thinks she IS IT for him. Do you REALLY think it’s even possible for another woman to swoop in in the eleventh hour and somehow change the fact that Killian thinks Emma is his true love? For Killian, Emma is the only option. It’s either Emma or nothing. Regardless of your feelings about CS, Killian’s not moving on from Emma. True love doesn’t move on. See especially Snowing if you’re unsure about that. And no, it doesn’t matter if Killian thinks Emma doesn’t feel the same way. That’s not going to change how he feels about her, just like the appearance of any other woman in the universe isn’t going to change how he feels about her.
I’m catching up from the holiday… sorry for the back tracking. It is so irrelevant. Even if he was not on board with Emma being his true love… it took him centuries to get over Milah. It is all or nothing for Hook at this point. There will be NO other love interest for our pirate. If he has no revenge, and no burning love for Milah any longer and no Emma… Hook really has nothing. I would think that he would crawl into the bottom of that rum flask and never make it back out.
I want hope for Hook. His being left with no love, no hope, and no future would be just absolutely horrible. The thought of him being left that way; of Hook’s story being left that way just devestates me. I couldn’t bare to be a witness to it. The story provokes real emotion from within me. Captain Hook may not be real, but he is real to me. I grew up with one story about Captain Hook, and then I was introduced to another possibility which brought me to see him through different eyes, and it endeared me to him. That’s why I am so adamant that if he leaves the show, I’m gone. It’s not a matter of not wanting to watch. I just couldn’t bare to. Not after becoming so attached to him like that, even if he is fiction.
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That’s why I am so adamant that if he leaves the show, I’m gone. It’s not a matter of not wanting to watch. I just couldn’t bare to. Not after becoming so attached to him like that, even if he is fiction.
……. to be honest, I agree. Because if he leaves, then in my mind EMMA doesn’t get her happy ending either.
But it’s not going to happen, no worries 🙂
We have absolutely NOTHING to worry about on that score, seriously. Emma and Killian are the direction in which the show is going, I PROMISE 😉
READ the meta that both I and @obisgirl posted, seriously you’ll have no worries 🙂
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Since we’ve been talking about the Emma/Killian jail scene, here’s what has always bothered me when people want to crucify Hook over it:
First – Emma has ALWAYS believed in her ability to tell when people are lying and she very clearly informs Hook of this when she first meets him.
Second – When she abandons Hook in the giant’s castle she says she is doing it because she can’t take the chance that she is wrong about him and Hook asks her to look at him and asks her if he has ever lied to her. She knows that he is telling the truth so she KNOWS that the ONLY reason she is abandoning Hook is because she has trust issues – just as Hook pointed out when he told her that she needed to try something new – trust. It had NOTHING to do with her worrying about bring wrong about Hook – it was strictly because the girl was not capable of trusting – even when her superpower told her she had no reason NOT to trust him. And the reason she was not capable of trusting a good looking man who was flirting with her and talking about love comes down to one thing: Neal – the whole reason we see her backstory with him in this epistory.
Third – the was an actual POINT to the jail scene and it was NOT to show that Hook was a horrible guy that leaves women for dead (as if). The point was to show a similar situation to the one Emma had left Hook in and to allow Hook to make the point that he had been on Emma’s side but that even though she had every reason to trust her (because of her super power) she chose not to abd chose to abandon HIM. So now the tables are turned. And she speaks from her broken “Neal” place to try to make the point that he is like what she assumes ALL men are like (just like many women who have been deeply hurt by a man) and says that he would have done the same thing. The WHOLE point of this scene was for Hook to prove to Emma that she blew it by not trying something new – trust. And so he tells her “Actually, no.” And since Emma has her super power she knows he is being sincere and she therefore knows that SHE is the reason she ended up in the jail cell. She realizes that Hook is telling the truth. She could have trusted him, he wouldn’t have abandoned her, he would have stayed on their side. Since SHE abandoned HIM, he had no choice but to end up with Cora again which resulted in Emma ending up in jail – not what Hook planned for or hoped for. For the first time she sees how trying to maintain her wall by refusing to trust someone has backfired – she realizes she should have gone with her first instinct, to trust Hook.
So that scene was meant to show Emma realizing that SHE made a mistake. And that the lack of trust she has been carrying around has now priven to be dangerous. She realizes she SHOULD had listened to Hook and tried something new – trust.
Interesting then that when they are on NL Emma never questions any of Hooks ideas and always looks to him for advice and approval. Looks like she learned her lesson. Her super power tells her to trust Hook and unlike some people (cough *Neal* cough) Hook respects her super power and knows he needs to behave in a way that deserves that trust.
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The whole scene can be condensed down to one piece of dialogue from Emma:
That’s very sweet, but I believe it’s my fault.
Emma knew it was her own fault that she was in that cell. She KNEW she had judged Killian unfairly. You could even see that her eyes were bright with tears when she left him chained up.
And that reminds me of ANOTHER Emma quote:
Generally speaking, if you think something you’re doing is wrong… it is.
So yeah.
Anyway, the constant SF attack on the cell scene is literally something they use to “compare” Neal leaving Emma in jail (LMAO sorry they’re not at all comparable) so that they can justify his actions. Because the only ones that justify his actions are Neal-lovers.
(and the fact that Neal APOLOGISED FOR HIS ACTIONS PROVES THAT HE THINKS WHAT HE DID WAS WRONG)
And neither Killian nor Emma has brought up the cell scene, so obviously neither are bothered by it in the slightest.
The truth is we weren’t supposed to empathise with Neal in Tallahassee. We were supposed to empathise with Emma. I mean, the closing scene of those flashbacks was of Emma, in prison, holding a positive pregnancy test.
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Me too!
The truth is we weren’t supposed to empathize with Neal in Tallahassee. We were supposed to empathize with Emma. I mean, the closing scene of those flashbacks was of Emma, in prison, holding a positive pregnancy test.
Exactly. Tallahassee was the first backstory for Emma. It was all about her. About how she loved and trusted someone else, and basically what happened when that trust was broken.
Exactly. Tallahassee was the first backstory for Emma. It was all about her. About how she loved and trusted someone else, and basically what happened when that trust was broken.
And we weren’t meant to empathise with Neal in Manhattan either, with regards to the whole jail/abandonment thing. It was again, about Emma’s pain.
When it came to Neal and Rumple however, we were supposed to empathise with both of them. And I did.
In 2×21 when Neal apologised to Emma, I empathised with both of them. However, it was not in the sense of romance or anything. They were both in pain in that scene.
This is why I honestly don’t get how SF shippers can defend what Neal did, with regards to the jail OR the abandonment.
Because Neal apologised, and when you apologise for something, it means you feel guilty. It means you know you did something wrong.
End of story.
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But we get the benefit as viewers of seeing into Hook’s past, present and heart. Seeing that, responsible mom that I am would be all for my fictional daughter and Hook to get married and Cinderella coach it all the way back to Storybrooke.
I love this.
This is one of my favorite parts about the NL arc… she looks to Hook for confirmation, support, advise and directions.
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And I think the fact that we have 4 or 5 married/mothers in this thread shipping this ship… all responsible people (I’m sure!), the fact that they ship Emma with Killian instead of Neal is very telling
Yup… my sons are little, but I would be so disappointed if they acted like Neal did to a woman that they loved and would feel like I failed in raising them. No daughters so I dont have to worry about that whole Bad Boy appeal that mommy obviously has. wink wink.
OK. So when I was young and dating, I liked them bad boys for real… I’m sure the rest of you have some stories at well. lol. And as we know from experience – some are really not likely to be rehabilitated… baggage of one sort of another is usually to blame and hard to overcome. So if I had a daughter I would comfort her over Neal and tell her to move on and all that other mom stuff. If I was at the beanstalk with Hook I honestly would be trying to steer her away without driving her towards him. But we get the benefit as viewers of seeing into Hook’s past, present and heart. Seeing that, responsible mom that I am would be all for my fictional daughter and Hook to get married and Cinderella coach it all the way back to Storybrooke.
Adding on to this as one of the married moms – one of the SF arguments that makes me cringe is that Neal really “knows” and “understands” Emma but Hook doesn’t. Umm, no – extremely flawed thinking. Emma and Neal suddenly being thrown together again does not mean that they have this deep and profound understanding of one another. Neal has only “known” her as a 17 year old run away orphan. Meeting her again when she is 28 after an 11 year absence means that he STILL only knows her as a 17 year old run away orphan. Look how much Emma has changed in just the amount of “time” that has passed during the show – now think about how much she (or anyone for that matter) has changed over 11 years. Neal knows NOTHING about her. Do they have things in common? Sure. But I have things in common with complete strangers too – doesn’t make it a valid argument for me to enter into a long term relationship with them.
Then we have Hook, who met Emma at her current age. And who, from the very beginning, has been able to read her like an open book. From the very beginning they established they work well together as a team – in the present day. From the very beginning he recognized that Emma had trust issues – and has challenged her to deal with them. He knows when she needs to be left alone to be a leader (on the beach in NL), when she needs advice (in the jungle in NL), when she is doubting herself and needs encouragement (I’ve yet to see you fail), when she needs him to be a gentleman (as you wish), that he needs to respect her family (daddy Charming Bromance), when she needs to be teased/playful (perhaps you’re the one who couldn’t handle it), when she needs to know that he is sincere (when I when your heart . . .), and that she is his TL (not a day will go by that I won’t think of you).
Hook has proven over and over again how well he knows and understands her in the present day. All Neal has done in the present day is apologize for what he did in the past, acknowledge that they produced a great kid, say he would never stop fighting for her, and ask her out once immediately followed by saying that if she didn’t show up he would stop bothering her. Compare that to Hook saying he is in it for the long haul, will think about Emma every day even though she will never remember him, and then find a way to figure out where she is after a year and tries to make her remember him with TLK.
Who understands Emma???????
I can’t stand that SF argument because I don’t see how it is any different than someone saying that the boyfriend I had in high school really “knows” and “understands” me and knows what it is that I need out of life because we dated for three years when I was a teenager even though I haven’t seen him since. If he walked back into my life today, how would it be ANY different than saying that Neal “knows” and “understands” Emma? It makes ZERO sense.
Yet when I met my husband, we became very close friends right away because he did a lot of the things Hook did with Emma: knew when I needed someone to make me laugh, to chill me out, to give me some confidence, etc. He figured that stuff out really fast. That is understanding someone.
Adding on to this as one of the married moms – one of the SF arguments that makes me cringe is that Neal really “knows” and “understands” Emma but Hook doesn’t.
I’ve seen that too and it just makes me laugh.
I think they’re taking it from Adam or Eddie saying that Neal had met a kindred spirit when Emma was stealing the car. But as you say, that was then, and this is now.
Emma understands Neal, especially his experiences as a child, but adult Neal has had NO CANON SCENE of understanding Emma. At all. In every scene they’ve shared together (except for the Echo Cave scene) Emma has been extremely closed off with him, never caught off her guard by him in any way.
The fact that Neal left her in the first place and thought that she would be “ok” (“if I knew she was ok I could move on” – and he did move on, again, in CANON) about it shows that he does not understand her, or her abandonment issues etc.
All last summer it has been Emma and Killian that were promoted as kindred spirits. Over and over again. In the present day. And were shown, in CANON, to understand each other.
Yeah, again, their argument is very grasping-at-straws-y.
Only one couple is getting development in a romantic way and it ‘ain’t Swanfire.
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