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Hello everyone! I just wanted to pop in and say hi, i’ve been catching up on your thread for the past few months. You can add me to your list of married mothers (I have two little ones) who ship CS!
WELCOME 🙂
i agree that there is no way that Neal could be Emma’s true love (especially after seeing that post (can’t remember who did it) a few pages ago with all the pictures of Emma in pain and all the things Neal was saying to her.
Guilty lol
I won’t be able to contribute much, not able to break down the episodes as well as you all!! But i will pop in and say hello from time to time.
I’m sure you’re underestimating yourself!!! But yeah sometimes just reading what’s said can be good too lol.
Loving ALL the lovely graphics and gifs, keep them coming!
WILL DO 🙂
there’s discussion going on about Emma’s necklace and how it was an obvious lie that Emma said she kept it to remind her not to trust again. And that she obviously trusts Neal when she allowed him to take care of Henry etc. Thoughts on this? Thanks!
Ok. I said i wasn’t gunna talk about SF but this is 95% about Emma so… 🙂
It wasn’t an “obvious lie” because it was confirmed by Adam & Eddie in the official podcast to be the reason that Emma empathises with Tiny in Tallahassee – this is CANON FACT. Tiny kept the bean as: “A reminder. A reminder that you’re all killers.” We’ve talked about it before, but Emma is SENTIMENTAL – she keeps objects with both positive and negative connotations. eg1: her baby blanket. Her parents cared for her but her parents abandoned her. eg2: Grahams shoelace. She cared for him but he died in her arms. ALL of these objects Emma keeps are because she is sentimental – sentimentality isn’t always associated with “good things”. Here is the definition in fact:
of or prompted by feelings of tenderness, sadness, or nostalgia
So yeah, The assertion that it is an “obvious lie” is BS in my opinion because it directly contradicts CANON FACT.
Now, on to trusting Neal with Henry etc. (i didn’t read it but i think i know what they’re getting at) is COMPLETELY different to trusting Neal not to crush her heart again.
Completely.
Neal and Emma even had a conversation about it –
I’m not going to do to him what he did to me.
Or what you did to me?
*laughs* Look i get it. We’re all messed up. Let’s try to avoid that with him.
He has already asserted that he won’t do to Henry what Rumple did to him, or what he did to Emma.
But no way is Emma going to trust him with her heart again – it’s again, recent CANON FACT, that Emma wished he was dead so it would be easier to put the pain he caused her (and himself) behind her.
Hope that helps! 😉
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I still don’t get why he’d laugh there since he knows all too well the pain of abandonment. Emma’s whole world shattered to pieces when that cop was putting the cuffs on her, just like Neal in the portal, and Rumple in Neverland. He lived with his pain of abandonment for hundreds of years you think he’d show a better understanding of what Emma has had to go through her life dealing with. Instead he scoffs at her… and of course he had no problems slapping his father across the face with his same pain when he tried to reconcile with him then.
Personally I always thought she wore the necklace out of habit. I don’t think she had to wear something to remind her not to trust anyone again – the fact that she felt she had been abandoned by her parents and then was abandoned by Neal made her unable to trust whether or not she is wearing a necklace. I think she started wearing the necklace because she loved Neal and it just became a habit to wear the darn thing. I think it represented her belief of what she THOUGHT Neal meant to her. When she tracked Rumple’s son down and discovered that it was Neal and realized she never really knew anything about Neal coupled with the way he treated her when they discovered one another I think she was very hurt and wanted to find a way to hurt him back so ripping off the necklace was her way of trying to hurt him they way he hurt her but she also realized she had been wearing this necklace that symbolized a complete and total lie for eleven years and she was disgusted by that and wanting to get it OFF!!!
Was also going to add, at 41 years old I have acquired some jewelry from ex’s through the years. I occassionally wear some of it if it suits an outfit I’m wearing – the jewelry no longer holds ANY sentimental meaning at ALL because I have no feelings about the person who gave it to me and have not spoken or seen then in years (decades in some cases). I happen to be an accessory freak though. But I know several women who own very little jewelry and wear the same things every day and feel “naked” if they forget to put a piece of it on. That’s kind of how I felt about Emma’s necklace. She wears the exact same jewelry in every single episode (except one I think), that’s why I think wearing the necklace was really just habit. When Neal asked why she still wore the keychain, she reached up like she didn’t even realize it was still there.
@rumplegoldfan I think I’m like half and half now, like @captaineala said the canon parts are there but I think what you mentioned is right on point. I don’t think she just thought of hurting him that way in that moment. If it were me I probably would have thought many times before about the next time I’d see that person that hurt me and just hang on to it for a chance to throw that in their face lol. I know that’s dark but I kind of got that vibe from Emma in that scene.
I think she was very hurt and wanted to find a way to hurt him back so ripping off the necklace was her way of trying to hurt him they way he hurt her but she also realized she had been wearing this necklace that symbolized a complete and total lie for eleven years and she was disgusted by that and wanting to get it OFF!!!
I think this could also have something to do with it but i’m going with canon fact here – A&E have confirmed that at least PART of the reason Emma wears that necklace is because it was a reminder not to trust again (and i’m pretty sure any other part is related to her sentimental nature). We also have to remember that the necklace was actually a keychain – Emma purposely made it into something to wear, even though:
- he abandoned her
- from her perspective sent her to jail
- was the reason she gave up her child
So i personally think it was exactly what she said it was.
Emma doesn’t beat about the bush or lie – she’s actually very honest. And i think it came from that part of her. Emma has always been forthright about anything and everything, except for when she told Henry his father was dead, and she doesn’t volunteer info about herself. Emma values honesty, and i think it was her first instinct to tell the truth about it, and i’m sure a certain satisfaction came from that.
When Neal asked why she still wore the keychain, she reached up like she didn’t even realize it was still there.
I think he just caught her off guard, personally. She put that necklace on deliberately every day, as a representation of all the pain he caused her and also as a representation of their good times.
I’ve said it before, i identify with Emma a LOT. I also wear a piece of jewellery that has got both positive and negative connotations.
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I still don’t get why he’d laugh there since he knows all too well the pain of abandonment. Emma’s whole world shattered to pieces when that cop was putting the cuffs on her, just like Neal in the portal, and Rumple in Neverland. He lived with his pain of abandonment for hundreds of years you think he’d show a better understanding of what Emma has had to go through her life dealing with. Instead he scoffs at her… and of course he had no problems slapping his father across the face with his same pain when he tried to reconcile with him then.
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She obviously purposely made the keychain into a necklace – so that was a very thought out move. I think with teenage Emma she still had very torn feelings for Neal at that point though. I think she still thought she loved him. She did go Tallahassee for awhile after getting out of jail. I don’t think she was mature enough yet (or had had enough love and nurturing in her own life up to that point) to completely understand all of her own emotions. Not to mention the poor girl had just made that heart breaking decision to give away Henry. I think a part of her loved Neal and a part of her hated him (which would be completely normal given that he was the only persom she felt she had “bonded” with). So I think the necklace could serve as, really, both a remembrance of what she loved and hated about Neal. I do wonder if a part of Emma wondered/hoped if he would come back for her – hence the reason the went to Tallahassee. I think that maybe somewhere inside she held out hope that there would be some kind of explanation but once she tracked him down as Rumple’s dad – it was all over for her. Her “image” of Neal was shattered when she realized she never knew who he was, and let’s face it – he acted like a young teenage punk with and to her when he was really hundreds of years old and should know better. She no longer needed the necklace at all – she now knew 100% for sure that he wasn’t what she wanted or needed. That scene in the bar – just yuck!! Poor Emma!!
So I think the necklace could serve as, really, both a remembrance of what she loved and hated about Neal.
Yes, exactly. Completely consistent with her character too. That’s why i couldn’t get on board with what you were saying about possibly wearing it every day because.. it was just something she wore. Because we also have yet to get a story on her circular necklace, or her tattoo, BOTH of which have been promised to come up. All these things… they tell her story. When Graham died, JMo said that Emma should wear his shoelace and A&E agreed it was a fantastic idea – i think this is because of the precedence established by her two necklaces and her tattoo. JMo understands Emma very well, and she knows that sentimentality is a big part of her.
That scene in the bar – just yuck!! Poor Emma!!
My poor baby 🙁
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