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January 28, 2014 at 10:32 am #241225
CaptainEala
Participant[adrotate group="5"]Keeper of Captain Swan's first kiss
January 28, 2014 at 10:33 am #241226CaptainEala
ParticipantJanuary 28, 2014 at 10:48 am #241231killianhookfan
ParticipantHi all, sorry I’ve been gone – busy with the kiddo.
Just wanted to chime in over death panic 2014. Totally not worried. First, no way are they killing off Hook – just not gonna happen.
Second – I have my own theory about the death. I have always wondered why Bae was written so well, acted so well (hear me out – that was NOT a slam on MRJ), had such awesome storylines, etc. then we get Neal. He is NOTHING like Bae and as far as writing – nothing, as far as acting – I have always felt like MRJ was purposely holding back (that is NOT a slam on him – I believe he was told to be “unremarkable” for lack of another word), zero iemotional connectivity with other characters compared to the way the rest of the characters connect. And so many people say the same thing – they LOVE Bae, expected to love Neal, WANTED to love Neal, but then . . . meh.
I have seen this theory before and I believe there have been many things that have pointed to it happening. I believe it is possible to kill off Neal while keeping Bae alive. Here’s why. We have already seen one character de-age from their adult non-cursed real world version to their pre-cursed fairy take version – August turned back into Pinocchio. Who is the first person from the EF Nealfire interacted with? August? Who is making an appearance in 3B? Eion Bailey. Next, how much of a fuss did Neal make about ensuring everyone in SB understood he was no longer Bae but was Neal now. Anytime someone called him Bae – he would correct them with “It’s Neal.” Hence, turning Bae and Neal into two separate characters for both the audience and the characters on the show (not that the audience wasn’t already having trouble trying to see Bae and Neal as the same person.). Next, foreshadowing. When Rumple first sees Neal in New York he offers to turn him back into a 14 year old again to which Neal replies no way. In addition we now know there is family history of Rumple adults turning back the clock to become teenagers – Grandpappy Pan started the trend. Next, the spark with Wendy that everyone expected to see lead to something – until it got creepy that Bae aged but Wendy didn’t – making for a rather bizarre if happy Darlingfire reunion. Next, we have a consistant trent on this show of parents not being the chronologically correct age as their parent. Emma is the same age as her parents, Rumple was older than his father. It would be consistant to have Henry’s father be the same age he is. Next, Henry has no friends. We have already seen that Emma and Mary Margaret have been their closest BEFORE they realized they were mother and daughter, when they were interacting as friends. And we have been repeatedly saying that Emma needs less of Snow trying to be her mother now and more of her remembering how she interacted with her when she was just her friend. Daddy Charming has figured it out – he doesn’t treat Emma like a little girl, he treats he the same way he treats Snow when Snow is having a problem – we saw that in the Medusa episode where they kept pointing out how much Snow and Emma are alike. Daddy Charming has realized the key to being close to Emma and to helping her the most is to give her advice like he would to his 30 year old wife – that’s how he helps and loves his daughter. Henry is now becoming a teenager. He has zero friends, a family tree that is so overgrown there is no way to prune it, and all these people who love him and care about him. That’s great if you’re a kid – smothering, over protective, and weird if you’re a teenager. To parallel the Charming side of his family, what better way to help Henry than to give him exactly what he needs – another teenage boy who can understand him. But where on earth are you going to find a teenage boy who could possibly understand Henry? If Neal “dies” because he de-ages back into teenage Baelfire – you have the one person on the face of the planet who can understand Henry and love him – in a bizarre OUaT way at the same time (plus you open up an amazing way for Hook to need to be a surrogate father to Henry without stepping on Neal’s toes – cause a teenage boy at 14 isn’t going to know how to be a dad, plus Hook can also redeem himself with being a “dad” to Bae at the sametime – since it appears Rumple may not be fatherly material at the moment). In addition, once Rumple comes to his senses (and he will) it gives both Bae and Rumple the opportunity to REALLY bond together as father and send, and takes some of the weirdness out of the Belle as stepmother to Neal scenario.
So that’s my theory on the “death.”
January 28, 2014 at 11:50 am #241245obisgirl
ParticipantWow.
As much as I hate Pinnochio, I hated the way they wrapped up his storyline too, basically zapping away all that character development and making him a kid again. Could the same thing happen to Neal? Give him a chance to be a kid again? The writers could certainly go that way but after Selfless, Brave and True happened, I hope that they decide not to take that route. Plus, Henry becoming BFF’s with his kid dad, is kind of weird. We haven’t even seen Pinocchio playing with Henry, we’ve heard he has but haven’t seen it. .
January 28, 2014 at 12:00 pm #241247emmajones
Participant@rumplegoldfan The Neal becoming Bae again kind of hit me before but thinking about Emma seeing the guy who got her preggy as a teenager hanging out with her teenage son kinda got me creeped out so I forgot about that idea. Though in some weird way , it may work.
@CaptaineAla – welcome back! I missed your GIFs!January 28, 2014 at 12:26 pm #241249obisgirl
ParticipantI hope the writers don’t go there again. In some ways, it could work because then Rumple would have the opportunity to make things right with young Bae but that would be the only thing I see working about it. It would probably be fun for Henry awhile and then, weird. And probably for Emma too.
January 28, 2014 at 12:36 pm #241255CaptainEala
Participant@CaptaineAla – welcome back! I missed your GIFs!
Aw thanks my dear! 🙂
I hope the writers don’t go there again. In some ways, it could work because then Rumple would have the opportunity to make things right with young Bae but that would be the only thing I see working about it. It would probably be fun for Henry awhile and then, weird. And probably for Emma too.
Yeah I’m gunna agree with you here. August turning back into a kid was bad enough. Plus Neal already said he didn’t want to be 14 again – it would take away who he is. If the writers go this route… ugh. Me no likey lol
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January 28, 2014 at 7:01 pm #241306Killian Jones
ParticipantI don’t know about that either, with Emma and Henry that would just be too weird my head hurts just thinking about Baelfire getting reset lol
January 28, 2014 at 7:35 pm #241311awoovo
ParticipantI agree.
January 28, 2014 at 7:57 pm #241318Killian Jones
ParticipantLOVE this so much!!!
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i was was meaning to post this! Glad to have you back Captain, I understand needing a break from here every once in a while 😛
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