The Captain Swan thread!

[HappyEndings]

Excellent post ^, and I agree totally with you on all of this 😉

[RumplesGirl]

@RGF

Yes you are. And I have said this to this individual many times:there is a difference between chat and forum. Chat is open and public and everyone can see it, without choice and that is where the problems are arising. People choose to read the forums.

You are being respectful and polite and I appreciate that. And like I said Matt, Daniel and I have tried dealing with this in a number of ways and we are trying to regroup and try more options.

I agree it’s a matter of maturity and being zealous (for want of a better word) about all this. And like I said, Matt and I have called this person out MANY times. And if I have to take drastic action, then so be it. It’s not something Daniel likes us to do until it’s necessary and I thought we had it resolved but it looks like we’re back to square one.

I really loved this episode and I want nothing more than for all of us to watch it together and celebrate what we love as a community. The special was so much fun, y’know?

I want to read your theories and discuss possible storylines. It’s what this forum was known for long before the shipping became what it was. And I know you know that. We’re both oldies round this place.

I don’t know what more I can say. It has been a horribly long hiatus and I think I’m slowly loosing the respect of everyone because it seems like nothing is being done, and I can only say that it’s not true.

Know that right now both Matt and I are discussing and Daniel will be brought in as well. I can’t say more than that.

I’m sorry for everything. I really am

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[killianhookfan]

I PM’d you RG! Thanks for addressing this! I didn’t realize you had previously posted something when I posted my second post – didn’t want you to think I was beating a dead a horse after you had already addresses it!! Thanks again!

[MatthewPaul]

Just wanted to let everybody know that what RG has stated here is 100% true. We do really talk together about all of this and how to deal with it. And if you ever want another mod to talk to, my PM box is always open. =]

That being said, I’m glad you guys got to enjoy the CS moments in this episode and I’m sure there’s plenty more to come down the road. I personally really enjoyed the Emma and Hook scenes myself, and there is a chemistry there. I see it in both the characters and JMo and Colin. I feel bad that the hug was not included, and I personally have my doubts about it not being scripted. If it really wasn’t, perhaps it was something the director thought of?

[Sarah_TN]

Does anybody know why the hugs from Walsh and Killian to Emma weren’t in the episode? From spoilers read over the hiatus, I noticed those two events were missing.

My tumblr page is http://cs-in-tn.tumblr.com/

[surayya]

Hi Guys, logging in late to say, what a GREAT ep! I must admit I was very excited before I went to come on here- long story short I have the worst timing possible, as happened to go to log on, just as a hard core CS poo-pooing was taking place, so decided not to bother even logging in & participating after all, as it totally killed my buzz for the show today 🙁

It’s sad, as I personally already visit this site way less than I used to & most of that is down to feeling I cant leave the CS thread & actually have an open discussion, without walking on egg shells, yet feel expected to ‘deal’ with being told how great another ship is over & over again. I’m really sorry if this is coming of ‘rant’ like- it’s not meant to be, I just was a little (…ok, a lot) annoyed at having my buzz over the show killed, when all I had wanted to do was freak out with my ship mates & I hoped others fans outside of our ship for a change (since I liked sooo much of this ep, that wasnt ship related at all!)

Thank you @MatthewPaul & @RumplesGirl for letting us know it is being dealt with, hopefully that’ll be the end of it for awhile 🙂 Glad to hear you enjoyed Killian & Emma’s moments too. I hope we get another Once love day soon, as there is so much more to discuss about our beloved show than ‘ships’ & I really miss doing so!

Now about the ep!….. Aside from LOVING IT 😉 I have to admit as much as I loved our CS moments (WHHHHHHHYYYYYYY did they cut our hug?!?!?!?!?!?!?! It would have been the PERFECT follow up in the “Hook”, “Did you miss me” moment- that screamed ‘hug’ through the emotions! Naughty editing IMO or A&E deliberately setting the fandom up to suck eggs for going on & on ‘about whats coming’ when taking filming (‘spoilers’) out of context- which is all kinds of sad if it’s true :/Or we see it in a flash back later on- Ok, that’s out right grasping I know, but I can dream cant I?! lol :p Anyways I’m digressing!) I LOVED the Snow & Regina stuff just as much, maybe just a tad more (shock horror! But it could simply be because we pretty much knew everything that was going to go down with CS weeks before we got to see the ep, so it was almost like a re watch of those scenes, as AWESOME as they are! 😉 ), I think that the Snow & Regina ‘heartache’ moment was the highlight for me ….. ok, so is Killian’s “Why are YOU dressed like THAT” line & Emma calling Killian, “Killian” (finally- still getting mega feels over that <3 ) they are kind of all tied for top spot as the ep's highlight.... along with all the Killian & Henry parallels we got bashed over the head with this ep- the near constant sense of deja vu watching this ep was uncanny- it was like Killian was SB Henry & EF Charming rolled into one LOL.

Personally my top spots for CS moments are not contained in this ep- I'm not sure what the over hype about the moments were for, as most of them had Killian wondering if Emma felt anything for him at all tbh, part of me was heart broken for Killian, while totally understanding why he cant just come out & ask her if she feels anything for him other than 'friendship'. I hope that gets addressed sooner rather than later (I'm talking in terms of "good", not exchanges of I love you's- as it's way to soon for that!), as I cant stand seeing someone being lead on (although I totally get that Emma is focused on seeing her parents & finding out what on earth is going on in SB this time)

Also I HAVE to point out how despondent Killian  became without Emma (I would have been shocked if he just happily flounced around EF with the Charming's, but I was disappointed with Charming for not recognizing Killian's withdrawal for what it really is, has Killy not proven to them already on more than one occasion, that he has actually changed- Charming should know more than anyone how it feels to be parted from the women you've fallen for! & it's not like he doesnt know Killian & Emma share a bond & maybe more- he 'knows' & accepted killian's secret of having 'feeling's' for Emma & know's Emma kissed Killian, so she must feel 'something' in return), the thought of never seeing Emma again- of knowing that finding her is considered 'impossible', had him fleeing all reminders of her in favor of walling his feelings back up & loosing himself to his pirate persona to cope with it all- I mean he feels Emma is his TL & look at what Snow said about going on without Charming, would we all blame her if she wanted to ditch the kingdom & go bandit to cope with the loss of Charming?!

I wouldnt be surprised if we find out part of why Killian goes off, is to search for away to get back to Emma. IF he gets wrapped up in WWW, that could be how it happens- I dont know if he'd 'do a deal' with her to get to Emma or not, but I highly doubt he'd knowingly put her parents in harms way to get back to her (he DIDNT take up Pans offer of free passage off the island WITH Emma, so why would he risk harming her parents, knowing Emma wouldnt approve- that just screams ignoring canon fact to me), I do however KNOW he'd play WWW for the 'chance' to get back to Emma (Snow did say to Emma "happy endings always start with hope" & since Killian feels Emma is his TL, he'd logically think the only way to HEA, is with her & would therefore have to "hope" to find away back to her again) & I think that's the most likely interaction we'll see between the two of them- or something along those lines & that's only IF he meets up with WWW before coming to our world- for all we know Killy came back in a magic side-table, that only takes one pirate *cough*& a Pegasus egg*cough*, while Charming was fighting off flying monkeys one handed, with a spoon :p & wont meet the WWW until after he's brought Emma back to SB (It's just as likely to be true as some of the crazy theories I've seen thrown about lol)

Again thanks mods

& can I just say- Emma & David at the door- *dies of feels* (I've not had a father since I was 2-3yrs old, so all my lost daddy/daughter moments are live through Emma & David lol)

I LOL at the Emma at the car with Killian putting his hook back on lol- loved it 😀

UGH! I have to go to bed now, I couldnt sleep until I'd come back on here & I've ended up writing a novel (this Ep is very novel worthy though 😉 )- sorry guys!

 

[surayya]

I really love the way it seems to be shaping up. So we all know Hook loves Emma – but as of right now he doesn’t fit her definition of ‘home’. She is thinking ‘home’ is the perfect life she thought she’d have with Walsh. Now since THAT didn’t work out, she thinks she is destined to never find it. It seems to jive with what A&E said – she doesn’t know what home is because she’s never had it. If this half of the season is her realizing that he CAN be her home – bring it on!! I don’t care if it takes all 11 episodes! I want to get all of your opinions on this too. My dh casually watches sometimes, so I asked him if he thought Emma and Hook would get together, be TL, etc. His thought was that getting them together by the end of Season 3 is too early and wouldn’t leave enough drama for future seasons. Arguments for this? I truly can’t imagine where Season 4 will go…

Well, A&E did break the original curse end of S1, which was a bold move & I thought for sure we’d get at least 2 seasons before that happened!

Honestly, I think Emma needs to ‘choose’ who she wants to be with BEFORE 3b finishes.

Now Emma choosing, doesnt mean we see necessarily them ‘together’ as such by end of 3b, but we as audience members, we AT LEAST need to see her decide who she wants to be with (be that Neal, Killian or a flippn flying monkey! Newest crack theroy main cast member death, is by being turned into a monkey 😉 ), so the show can focus on how she goes about that & the main plot of the “finale battle happening” (that better not be a pilot plot hole either! i actually have been waiting to see the “finale battle begin”, since the original curse was broken, but so far we’ve mostly just watched everyone run around saving SB &/or family members- or killing off family members… not really how I’d expect a “finale battle” to begin lol :p )

[killianhookfan]

I have my own theory about the missing hugs but I’m not exactly thrilled about it so not all that sure I want to say it but here it goes.

I know that Adam has increasingly become frustrated over the past several months with people sending nasty tweets to him and the cast, shipping wars, fans sending hate mail threatening to stop watching the show if their ship doesn’t end up together, spoiler pics leaking on-line, etc. I think the Rumple/Pan pics leaking really ticked them off because it pretty much gave away their whole enormous 3A reveal. I think they pride themselves on the twists and turns this show takes and being able to shock and surprise the audience. And while they LOVE the super uber loyal extreme fans like use, I really think they are getting tired of having to keep up so hard with all the rumors, spoilers, hate, and damage control.

Remember when some irate fan tweeted Adam about the CS hug way back when and he replied “That’s really NOT what you think.” Well, no one listened to him, did they? If that was JMo and Colin doing something in the moment that felt right, or they had them try something that wasn’t scripted but in the ended didn’t work cause well . . . it wasn’t scripted – it would make sense that it didn’t make it in and Adam’s tweet makes complete sense.

Along the same lines (and this is the part I don’t like posting) they know the media and fans are happily snapping away when they film. What if they have decided to just allow all these pictures to end up out there and let them be. Kind of like “You want spoilers? Fine, have spoilers. You want to know what happens in advance. Fine figure out what happens in advance.” Because, really, they don’t OWE us spoilers. They don’t OWE us an explanation for every picture we see. They don’t have to explain to us which spoiler pictures they may or may not be using, which are authentic, which are BTS, etc. So I guess I’m not saying that A and are are lying about anything but I think they may be attempting to let people realize what can happen when they get too exuberant about spoilers and media/fan pictures. Kind of like a very strong message: have all the fun you want in your quest for spoilers, pictures, etc. but please believe us now – if you don’t hear it directly from us – do NOT believe it is happening, even if you see it. I am guessing that goes for all those actor and media interviews as well. They have said before that things get twisted around or misquoted, Adam just said they were still tweaking things AFTER they did the pre-screening for the media, the actors film things and they don’t necessarily know what is going to make it into the final version and what isn’t. I thought it was interesting that in the Wicked Special Ginny said that until the episode was filmed neither she nor Lana understood WHY the Evil Queen hated Snow so much so they watched the episode and cried together and then it affected how they acted together from then on out. So even the actors don’t always know MAJOR things in advance so they don’t always know when it might not be appropriate to go with the way something might feel right in the moment when they are filming something.

Know idea if I am right or completely off base here but just some thoughts I had last night.

[zoeandnimo]

EALA – where are you???

[zoeandnimo]

I keep watching the scene of them drinking in her apartment.  “I came back to save you”

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