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The Captain Swan thread!

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  • March 10, 2014 at 9:15 am #251714
    killianhookfan
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    I just realized something. The look on his face and the look on her face as they look at each other right as she gets her memories back are exactly the same as before they said “goodbye” to each other in the end of 3A except they don’t have tears in their eyes. It’s like they are picking up exactly where they left off before the new curse took over. So I can see where Colin and JMo would have thought it felt right to hug – because when they were saying goodbye they both wanted to hug but . . . couldn’t, now they could. But at the same time I could see the reason for NOT going with the hug. As much as he loves Emma, Hook thinks TLK didn’t work. He wants to believe that Emma loved him and might love him again but as soon as her memories come back, his walls start to slam back up in protection mode and Captain Innuendo is the only way he knows how to deal with that with Emma so being cocky and asking “Did you miss me?” was a safer option for him because he KNOWS the answer to that question is “no” because she didn’t remember him. “Do you love me?” is a trickier one and after the “Good” he must have played over and over in his mind for a year, a much more painful for one for him to debate the answer to. Sobs.

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    March 10, 2014 at 9:53 am #251722
    Killian Jones
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    I think they might have just cut the hug for pacing purposes maybe they just felt like it was unnecessary even though it would have been a really sweet cherry on top. It’s disappointing but we know we still have plenty of moments coming up. He loves her that’s my take away from this episode for our ship we were right about so much! He left the group because without her there was no reason to stay! Anyone think he wouldn’t have stuck around if she had come back with them? He came back for her more than them just like we knew, Hook knows that her home is with her family. Right before she drank the potion Hook broke down her walls and got her to believe in him more than anything else. She could feel that he was telling the truth and he knew she wouldn’t want to live the lie. In this episode Hook gave Emma her life back her real life back I don’t think that will be lost on Emma.

    March 10, 2014 at 11:19 am #251747
    lumee23
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    Sorry this is a long post >< Hubby refuses to watch the show with me now so I don’t have anybody to blabber to about it 😛 So overall I liked the episode. I have to say I was a little disappointed in CS. I fully indulge in spoilers and I guess I felt the CS stuff was a bit overhyped. Part of it was definitely disappointment that the hug was not in the script/cut out. CS felt very one sided to me the entirety of the episode. I don’t think I would have felt that way if I hadn’t read spoilers so that is my own fault. I am no SF fan but I thought it was nice that Neal continued to be willing to fight to be with Emma. Overall I think it is too little too late and he isn’t the one for her but I was happy about that because Emma has had very few people willing to fight for her. I don’t think that was a SF “moment” though because it has already been established that he wants to be with her. I was a bit disappointed with Snow and Charming. There has been this prevailing theme of we will always find each other with regards to family but now that no longer applies? Just seems lately they have been way too willing to give up on being with Emma. I had similar feelings when Snow found out Charming was poisoned and couldn’t leave the island. Snow just seemed to give up hope of them being a family and was just going to stay with him while Emma was the optimistic one. As to Hook I was also disappointed with his response. I agree with what others pointed out that he has no ties to the rest of the group without Emma and he is going to seek solace in finding his ship and building his walls back up. It seemed in character yet out of character to me based on his drawn out revenge scheme. I would have thought he would be the one to say something like I am going to go find my ship and then find a way back to Emma. He went on for so long seeking revenge for Milah that I would have thought that same passion and drive would have extended to finding Emma again. Perhaps internally that is his plan but I can only go based on what was said. At any rate it gave SF fans ammunition to be interpreted a different way with him going back to being a “villain” which I disagree with. I know there has been some speculation that Hook is knowingly setting Emma up for a trap or working with the WW to get back to Emma even if it sacrifices her family in the process. Personally I don’t think it is a trap because of how Walsh reacted. At first I thought it was fishy he knew about the potion but I figured he probably follows her. If it was a trap to get Emma to Storybrooke then why would he reveal himself/try to attack her? I was looking forward to OQ but also found that interaction fairly light and not all that pivotal. Must be patient 🙂 Loved the Snow and Regina scene! Generally I loved all the Hook/Emma scenes. Though I was happy to hear Emma call him Killian she certainly couldn’t introduce him to Henry as Hook so that could be just for plot purposes. My favorite CS momenet was when he said that perhaps she loved someone else in her other life. Despite my disappointment that the CS moments were overhyped there were definitely plenty of CS moments and I think it definitely set CS up for the season! I also thought Emma trusting Henry with Hook was a big step. I had to laugh at the scene where Emma cuffs Hook in the park and he yells Swan just like in the Tallahassee episode. I can’t wait for the next episode! Overall very positive episode for us CSers!

    March 10, 2014 at 11:36 am #251754
    Killian Jones
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    ^^^^ That line! I just died, he still is hoping she loves him! 🙂

    March 10, 2014 at 11:36 am #251755
    Killian Jones
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    ^^^^ That line! I just died, he still is hoping she loves him! 🙂

    March 10, 2014 at 11:37 am #251756
    Vanessa
    Participant

    I really enjoyed last nights episode! How nice to see Red/Ruby at the beginning with everyone else! There must be a reason she was included.

    Loved the Charming and Hook conversation. I liked the little smile Charming had when Hook galloped away.
    I completely understand why he left. The Jolly Roger was his home and he wanted to see if it was out there. It’s like the way people return home after natural disasters. They just want to see what is left. I don’t see why some criticize Hook for this…whatever. But most importantly, he wants to find a way back to Emma too.

    I liked all the CaptainSwan moments. My favorite was when they were drinking in Emma’s apartment. The look on Hook’s face when Emma left to talk to Walsh was just heartbreaking! Felt so bad for him.

    I do have more questions now, even more important (to me) than how Hook found Emma and Henry? What happened after Emma’s fight with the flying monkey? Where did Hook sleep – in Central Park, Neal’s apartment, where? Oh well, I guess we’ll find out later, hopefully.

    So Belle and Neal are teaming up to find Rumple. Is it forbidden to ship Neal and Belle? I know how sensitive some are around here. They could be Bellefire or Beal or Nelle. Just saying…

    March 10, 2014 at 11:46 am #251761
    killianhookfan
    Participant

    Okay, just did my re-watch. Woo-hoo!! Even better the second time (it always is – I catch so much more). Where to start??

    So Henry makes the comment that he can tell that Emma really likes Walsh because he’s the first guy she’s dated that he’s ever met. So were there memories implanted that she had dated other guys? Did she actually date other guys before Walsh? She acknowledges that he is perceptive so obviously she isn’t going to have some random guy she is casually dating meeting Henry. I thought it was interesting then how they made a point of having Emma have Hook stay with Henry in the middle of Storybrooke while she went to go see her parents – she has no problem leaving Henry alone with Hook even though as far as Henry is concerned he just met this guy a hot second ago. I’m guessing that we are going to have Henry being very perceptive about his mom’s feelings throughout the rest of the season. He told her to go with what her instincts were telling her to do about how she felt about marrying Walsh and he told her that he just wants her to be happy when talking about her decision about Walsh. I think that a lot of the discussion around SF has been that Emma needs to choose Neal because it is what Henry needs to have his family together,etc. Having Henry tell Emma that he just wants her to be happy and that she should go with her instinct is setting it up for Henry to help her decide that it is okay for her to want someone who ISN’T his biological father if that is what makes her happy. Plus his very RATIONAL conversation about what happened with Neal and how it AFFECTED his mother in her personal relationships. It wasn’t a Neal bashing conversation and even when he does find out the “truth” about why his dad wasn’t around he is STILL going to have the understanding of how what he did to her affected his mother in a negative way.

    Henry replied to Emma that he got so smart when he got to level 16 and became a knight. I believe that at the end of baby Emma’s crib in her EF nursery were two dolls – one was a pirate/sailor and the other was a knight. Could that be foreshadowing?? Does Henry become a knight when he turns 16? Do the two dolls at the end of her crib represent her two True Loves?? Her son and (hopefully at some point) her husband, Killian. Just a thought.

    Both Hook and Neal talked about how Regina said that all their belongings would make it to the EF with them. I don’t remember that part from 3A but okay. Since Hook was the one who brought it up it made me wonder if he wasn’t really ONLY going after the JR. I wonder if he is going after something that he believes will get him back to Emma. Neal asks about it as well so I believe he is thinking the same thing about both Rumple and Emma. However, I think Snow plants in his mind that there isn’t any way to get back to Emma without another curse being enacted. This happens at the same time Charming tells him that he knows that Neal is hurting and that he misses Emma just as much as they do but even if they could get back to her she wouldn’t remember them. Here’s where I have a wacked theory. I don’t think Neal sees a curse or Emma’s inability to remember him as a bad thing and this is where I see his potential to go dark. Neal has had to deal with the fact that he can’t get Emma back because she can’t move past her memories of what he did to her (or didn’t do in the case of not coming to get her after the curse was broken) in combination with her feelings for Killian. If he can enact a curse that can play with her memory so she remembers the good stuff about him but forgets the bad and remembers only the bad of Hook then he could think he could “win” her. This would be consistent with going on a quest with Belle who has been able to love his father in spite of all the horrible things he has done and who has continually believed that there is good inside of him no matter how horrible he has behaved. I think Belle would be the perfect person to never see it coming since she always sees the good in people. She would be so wrapped up in her own quest for Rumple that she wouldn’t even recognize what Neal was up to.

    It annoyed me that Charming didn’t understand that Hook was in pain – he should have seen what was going on. It didn’t make any sense that he couldn’t see through Hook needing to escape because of how much he misses Emma.

    Was shocked by what they did with the dream catcher – “Flypaper for nightmares, Neal.” Wow! Neal is flypaper for nightmares. I wasn’t expecting that at all, she actually seemed appalled to see the thing. No warm and fuzzy SF feels going on AT ALL in that apartment.

    Loved that they paralleled having Emma chain Hook up like they did in Tallahassee with him yelling “Swan.”

    But my biggest theory. Emma knew EXACTLY who Hook was the whole time. I mean she didn’t know he was Hook but she knew she knew him. So we have Walsh proposing to her after 8 months of dating, in which she has already been comfortable enough to tell him that she loves him and consider marrying him even though she says she doesn’t do “fast.” Yet it takes like 3 sketchy meetings from a weird guy dressed like a pirate who seems to be in cahoots with the guy who set her up and left her pregnant in jail and (according to her) could have photoshopped pictures of her and Henry on a camera to drink what could be poison??? NO FREAKING WAY. There is no way Emma Swan does that, even version 2.0 Emma Swan. So consider when she tells Walsh that she can’t marry him. She tells him that she has to go HOME, she says someone from her past has come back, someone who is “like a GHOST.” What do ghosts do?? THEY HAUNT YOU!!!! She has been haunted by memories of Hook for the entire year!!! Probably in her dreams, probably when something happened and she got a weird sense of déjà vu. She’s been dating Walsh for 8 months, loves him but can’t decide to marry him? She’s seem crazy pirate boy for like two days and trusts him enough to drink weird bottle of who knows what it could be because he tells her to take a leap of faith? No way. They were BOTH thinking of each other every day while they were apart from each other. I think Emma was probably having difficulty trying to figure out what was going on and then suddenly when Hook showed up things started to make sense.

    My heart BREAKS for Hook though. I think he has a long road back to Emma between believing she doesn’t love him and her once again throwing her walls up. My heart literally hurts when I watch him during the scene in Emma’s apartment. I honestly didn’t like Emma very much there but had to remind myself that she was taken out of what she was trying to convince herself was a perfect life because she is once again telling herself the Savior never gets a day off.

    But then the scene with Henry and Hook was great. It was adorable how excited Hook was to see Henry again and how he looked him up and down like “Wow! You grew! (Just like we all did!). And then the “Why are YOU dressed like THAT?” line. The other thing I caught was that Emma had just told Henry that their trip would be “like an adventure” and then she opened the door and the old, confident Hook was back and said “Ready, Swan?” and strolled right in like he used to, because he is at his BEST when he is on an adventure with Emma.

    And of course, my heart skipped a beat each time Emma called him Killian. Sigh.

    March 10, 2014 at 12:17 pm #251773
    lumee23
    Participant

    Finally figured out the spoiler tag.

    Okay so this is my crackpot theory regarding the new curse and Neal

    So I think both in interviews and even in last night’s episode that it has been hinted about Neal casting a curse to get back to Emma. The whole will he be like his father and cast a curse to get back to his loved ones? question that seems to be tossed around. I think if Neal helps the WW cast the curse he would be in a position to know about it and send the message to Hook. Maybe this is why the curse seems to be not as curse-y (imo) with them keeping their memories aside from the last year. I think ultimately working with the WW (and possibly double crossing her later) might be what leads to Neal’s death (as I am assuming he is the major character that dies)

    March 10, 2014 at 12:44 pm #251785
    Killian Jones
    Participant

    Shipmates round 2 for the tv’s best couple tournament is starting in about 20 minutes help out CaptainSwan and the other Once ships so we can all make it through 🙂

    http://www.zimbio.com/brackets/TV+Couples+March+Madness+2014

    March 10, 2014 at 1:16 pm #251794
    Bo-Peeps
    Participant

    I’m dropping this off while I have a break from the day job, but will be back this evening for more *dalliances* with message board camaraderie!

    Favorite line because I got the biggest sass smile *Why are YOU wearing THAT?*

    Yup, also delighted in the little knowing smile that David had plastered on his face as Hook took off to *find her* (Jolly Roger? …and Emma. And David knew it.)

    Emma makes some pretty disastrous moves when she picks men to declare her love for. Neal is…a beige, shallow dullard (I still don’t see passionate Bae in him at all) and Walsh is…an equally shallow,  fanged flapping primate. When she finally gets the courage to take down her walls and deeply love someone who has her best interests at heart and knows her like the back of his hook (grin)…Killian will be there for *the fun to start*.

    He is back to his swaggering self, even though we know the man has a very deep soul, and the eye emoting between these two, plus the clinking of their drinking glasses, wellll, it’s pretty potent.

    Lots of trust proving points between them. All is gooooood.

    Not sure if other character comments are supposed to go here, but I will be back just in case I can drop them off.

     

    ***Always in search of a good flock***

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