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I come in peace. I’m not here to complain or to spark debate. I just wanted to set the record straight. I can’t speak for every fan of Neal out there. Yet, I do want to speak in broad terms, if I may, about how a lot of Neal fans here in the forum are feeling, which is mostly just heartbroken.
I find this so amazing… i’m sure there are other women in SB if this is all he was interested in… and if that was all he was interested in with only Emma, I dont think ‘making a taco’ is worth going back to NL, facing a terrible Villian with the serious potential of dying. Really now! I am really starting to think SF fans are just terribly young.
Most SF fans here aren’t that young (as in teenagers or younger). A lot of us here in the thread are mostly in our 20s and 30s, some even in their 40s or more. I myself am a married woman and in my mid-20s. Most of us don’t think Hook is after just one thing. That’s not where we’re coming from at all. Most of us just think that what Hook and what Emma want are incompatible long-term and that what Neal and Emma wanted was in sync. I’m not going to debate, because honestly, there’s no point. Our “ship” has sailed. Yet, there’s no need to paint SF as immature. We’re grieving our dear Neal. We’re upset with Adam for how the death was handled. It’s not that we hate the writers personally. We just feel really let down, as I’m sure many fans of Hook would feel if his hypothetical death had been handled in a similar way. That disappointment may come across as “hate” but its really not personal hate or anything like that. It’s just coming from a place of hurt.
Sorry but I just can’t Xd..another person in the triangle? that’s pretty much overdoing it… lol.. and yes, those who would ship it as early as now just wants to ship it due to hate. They are hating on almost everyone (esp Adam) on the Neal death… I am truly sorry for his loss, I am saddened by that episode, but come on, attacking anyone is just not cool. SOrry
Thank you for expressing your sorrow over the loss of Neal. I can’t speak for every fan, especially not the ones on Twiiter, who really can be rude. There are bad apples in every “ship” you know. But I can say that SF fans “jumping ship” aren’t doing it out of hate. It’s probably more like they just don’t see things the same way as fans of CS do. I remember CS fans pairing Neal and Mulan together for a lot of similar reasons. Again, it’s not necessarily born of hate. It’s more like just wanting different things.
Again, I’m not trying to be disrespectful by coming here. I wish you all the best. I’m sure things will soon be looking up for you all as the story progresses ever in favor of Ms. Swan and Captain Hook.
[adrotate group="5"]"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
Slurpeez108
Hi, there. Your post is well thought out, is well stated, and offense is taken, at all. I do disagree with your opinion of compatability, however do agree there’s no point in that debate. Regardless, now would be a bad time to debate that anyway, because there are a lot of broken hearts out there. I don’t want to pour alcohol into anyone’s open wounds. Instead, I’d like to offer my heartfelt sympathies. Neal was a fictional character, but these characters always represent something, or someone who is real to us in our own lives. They are real to us. They become a part of us. Because of that, when things like this happen, something is taken away. The pain is real, because we loose a part of ourselves. That is why it is very understandable that there would be things said out of hurt. This is a grieving process, and you’re right. If it were Hook, we’d be just as devestated.
If I may offer something which may help a little (I hope), it is that while Neal died, Michael Raymond James’ fans can take comfort in knowing he is alive well, and according to an interview ith H&K I read this morning, might even appear in flashbacks on Once at some point in the future. He is such a good actor and from his twitter posts, it seems like he is a really great guy. Michael will have more projects in his future, and I hope we someday see him with a leading role on a tv series. Whether that happens or not, I hope his career has lots of success to enjoy for a very long time. I will miss Neal, too and as we continue to mourn him, I want you to know you are not alone. We may be Captain Swan, and we may love Captain Hook, but you, and Neal fans are still among friends. God bless.
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I’m beginning to see reasons why they killed off Neal.
1. It keeps us on our toes- We’d become a bit complacent in thinking the regulars were safe because they were regulars. Killing off a main character shows that anyone can die whether or not they’re a regular.
2. Why Neal?- Why kill off the guy who has had such a crappy life and deserved a happy ending? Because it ups the stakes. It shows happy endings aren’t guaranteed, even to those who do deserve them. It stops the audience being complacent.
3. Why did Neal say what he did such as telling Emma to find Tallahassee with someone else, which is some of what has angered SFers?- Because Neal knew he was going to die. In his last few moments with Emma and Rumple, he told them stuff that would enable them to move on. He told Emma to find love again especially as previously she had trouble opening her heart to anyone because of what happened with Neal. He told Rumple to “let go” because Rumple had created a curse just to find Bae, who knows what he would’ve done to bring Bae back.
4. How Neal died- Neal didn’t get to see Henry and I think the point of him dying how he did was to show that death can happen anytime, it’s not foreshadowed, it can occur out of the blue without warning. Kind of like in Buffy the Vampire slayer where Buffy returns home to find her mother lying dead on the sofa.
It is sad that Neal died, and everyone would’ve preferred him not to die. Nobody wanted anybody to go. However I can see why his death panned out as it did, and it wasn’t just to make way for CaptainSwan.
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of Felixhttp://www.youtube.com/embed/Rk6gXZuPWao?feature=player_embedded
This video was in the SwanFire thread but it is so brilliant I think it deserves a place here too especially as it features CaptainFire scenes. This is one of the best videos I have ever seen and is so heartbreaking.
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixI will miss Neal, too and as we continue to mourn him, I want you to know you are not alone. We may be Captain Swan, and we may love Captain Hook, but you, and Neal fans are still among friends. God bless.
Thank you. Those words are much appreciated.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
@Slurpeez108 I’m one of the folks on this board that have been around from basically the very beginning like you (with periods gone here and there). Believe me that we ALL feel terrible about how hurt you all are, and that we also shed tears during Neal’s death. Heck I sobbed today just reading a well written recap!!
I worked as a Hospice Nurse at one point during my life and this is, oddly, very much like a real death for both SF shippers as well as for CS shippers even though we all recognize Neal was a fictional character. Everyone handles grief in very different ways and this situation is no different. But in working with families who have lost a loved one, consistently the most difficult time for most people tends to be the point where they realize that life is going on as normal for the rest of the world but life will never be the same for them again. I think this is kind of where the fandom is right now. As CS shippers we feel terrible for your loss but we also feel helpless because we don’t really know what we can do to help – there really isn’t anything we can do to help except to allow space for you all to grieve together while letting you know we really do care. But then we are also still amongst the living and unfortunately are unintentionally hurting some grieving people by going on with life. I’m not talking about the people who are being purposely mean or trying to egg people on – that’s just cruel and immature. So we are bound to end up saying some things that might hurt right now because the wound is so fresh but please know we aren’t doing so intentionally and we are trying to keep within our CS thread so we don’t risk hurting feelings unless it is some kind of generalized topic. No one WANTS to write anything that will hurt someone’s feelings but right now I think that writing about the death from different perspectives is bound to be painful.
I hope SF shippers won’t boycott the show. We ALL fell in love with OUaT before we starting shipping and before we got wrapped up in individual characters. I kind of lost interest during S2 but then picked up and fell in love with it all over again. I think the same think can happen for those who are mourning Neal if they give it a bit of time.
Hugs to you.
As a mom to a 12 year old boy who has a second husband who stepped in to the “father” role in my son’s life since his bio dad is not in his life, I can’t wait for the upcoming CaptainCobra scenes. And I can confirm from a real life perspective that those scenes will NOT be about CS but will be about a man stepping up to fill a role that is desparately needed in a young man’s life. A man CANNOT fake interest in a child in order to score points with mom – it is obvious, trust me. And I am just talking from a situation where a child has been abandoned by his bio father not one in which there has been a death and the man stepping in to fill the role of the father loved the missing dad as well. Henry is going to be one very lucky kid in terms of what he is going to get from Hook. Hook wanted to be a father to Bae and regretted that he was never able to do so/made a huge mistake with him. How much more of an effort do you think he is going to put forth in fathering Henry for that reasom ALONE?? Than add in the fact that he will want to do it to honor Bae’s memory AND he will want to it because he loves Emma and Henry is a part of Emma, plus he doesn’t want to make the same mistake he made with Milah again – only loving the woman and not insisting on taking the entire package even if SHE didn’t want to. That man is going to be the most dedicated father figure any one has ever seen – and he is going to make darn sure Henry knows all about Neal – with or without his memories. CS has NOTHING to do with this relationship which is what makes it so beautiful to me.!!
All of this- As someone who’s had stepfathers I concur absolutely.
I really hate hearing the argument that Hook doesn’t really love Emma and only cares about ‘the taco side’ of things.
Far out some people have selective memories- Echo cave anyone?!?!
Hi Slurpeez…and RG (I’m sure you’re still having to come on in here to mod, even if you aren’t up for it – I hope we’ve been good for you, we’ve been trying!)
As CS shippers we feel terrible for your loss but we also feel helpless because we don’t really know what we can do to help – there really isn’t anything we can do to help except to allow space for you all to grieve together while letting you know we really do care. But then we are also still amongst the living and unfortunately are unintentionally hurting some grieving people by going on with life. I’m not talking about the people who are being purposely mean or trying to egg people on – that’s just cruel and immature. So we are bound to end up saying some things that might hurt right now because the wound is so fresh but please know we aren’t doing so intentionally and we are trying to keep within our CS thread so we don’t risk hurting feelings unless it is some kind of generalized topic. No one WANTS to write anything that will hurt someone’s feelings but right now I think that writing about the death from different perspectives is bound to be painful.
I don’t think I can say it any better than @RGF – please know that as a group, on this forum, we do realize SFers are not happy, and we are not in any way intentionally belittling you or that pain. Many of us, I’m sure, can say we’d feel the same way about our ship. And we are truly sorry our fellow OUATers are saddened right now.
Many times over the last few days I’ve been remembering a recent conversation that was had in the SF thread – I’m sure I’ve mentioned it here & I know I’ve brought it up elsewhere. The conversation was about Hook/Emma as a platonic relationship and was generally extremely positive. I was very touched by that conversation, because I like to think that’s exactly how we feel about Neal/Emma. Many of us liked Neal & many of us are upset, too, about his death. (But that’s a whole, other, more irate tangent directed at writers and powers that be)
I know a lot of our conversations in this thread might seem insensitive if you are not CS, especially now. But in trying to be respectful, it’s why we’re keeping it here. We don’t want anyone who doesn’t want CS/Hook or even other aspects of the show stuck in anyone’s faces that doesn’t want to see it. I’ve posted a little in some other threads, but don’t want to ignite anything or have anything misconstrued because of some people’s emotions being (understandably) raw. Please understand, too, that this forum is not the same as other forums or social media. Twitter has been even more brutal than usual, on all sides. Tumblr’s probably a pretty nasty place, too (I only follow a few blogs, mostly from people here, so I can’t really speak from the ship/fandom as a whole). But those of us that are here, are here for a reason – that nastiness makes us as upset as any other person that chooses this forum over others, regardless of which characters/ships they prefer. But generally here in our forum, we genuinely care about our fellow OUATers and are thinking of you now.
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