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From the previous Once Podcast episode, for Quiet Minds:
Daniel J. Lewis: As far as making predictions, between the SwanFire and Captain Swan ‘shippers, the Captain Swan ‘shippers have been more correct in their predictions and theories of what would happen, things such as…she cites multiple examples..but certain things like they’d been theorizing that there would be a kiss between Emma and Hook, and there was a little spoiler that Emma [Jennifer Morrison] said something, ‘When you get to kiss someone on-screen, it’s always fun.” Everyone assumed that meant Hook [and it was]. Jeremy: I love that a kiss is an event with spoilers and articles…and what not. Daniel J. Lewis: But there have been several things where, yeah, it does maybe look like Captain Swan ‘shippers are more correct in their theories and certainly deserve recognition for interpreting the show correctly in certain directions. But I know that’s not without error.
Once Podcast, Quiet Minds, 3×15 (1:55:16-1:56:15) And it is true, we have been right on a lot of things that have happened this season. I remember, we theorized stuff before 3A even started and my jaw dropped when those same ideas were brought up again at New York Comic Con and we would see them happen.
I know right.
*hands out cookies & coconuts to all CS’ers*
[adrotate group="5"]@surayya, you don’t know how badly I fangirled when I heard that. I like collecting various CS related reviews this season and as much as ‘ships aren’t really discussed on the podcast since it focuses on the show in general, it’s exciting to hear that stuff when it comes up. And to hear actual civil conversation too.
Just looking at the CS pictures (very nice surayya) and the one that caught my eye was the one of Emma talking about Walsh saying “As usual, he wasn’t who he said he was and I got my heart broken”.
What immediately stood out to me was the “as usual”. It suggests that Emma is now used to guys fooling her into thinking they’re something they’re not eg Walsh let Emma think he was a great guy when in reality he’s a flying monkey. As far as we’re aware, Emma has had 2 meaningful relationships so far: Neal and Walsh. (I’m not counting Graham because he and Emma weren’t really together before he died). For something to occur “as usual”, it would mean it has to happen more than once. Therefore when Emma is talking about Walsh not being who he said he was, Emma is also talking about Neal.
I believe Neal’s death was planned from the start of season 3. There are little signs throughout 3A that point to it such as:
Neal using Roland as shadow bait (demonstrating reckless risk taking behaviour)
Emma saying to Neal “I wish you were dead”
Neal saying to PanHenry that he’d always be there for him (Tempting fate just like “Everything’s going to be okay”, “it can’t get any worse” and “I’ll be right back”)All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixI think Emma’s speech to Neal in Ariel was the heaviest foreshadowing of Neal’s death. Also, take into account, Emma wanted to move on then. She didn’t want to believe that Neal was alive because she had already put him behind her. That’s why she was so reluctant when she heard the news.
But I also liked within Quiet Minds, how Neal had already accepted that Emma would never be more than a friend to him now. All he cared about was her happiness, even if it wasn’t with him. That’s huge character development on his part.
I had the same thoughts too when Emma mentioned “as usual”, that in addition to Walsh’s deception she was also thinking of Neal. Graham, honestly did not even cross my mind because he was always upfront with her about his identity.
Walsh and Neal are the only two instances where they lied to her about who they were.
Before Neal’s death, I’d reached the conclusion that SwanFire couldn’t realistically get back together romantically because there was too much water under the bridge for them. You don’t just forget the hurt and pain someone caused you to the level that Neal hurt Emma. It’s a shame that they didn’t keep Neal alive to show that he and Emma could be good parents to Henry even though they’re not together.
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of Felix
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