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As much as I hate watching the episode late, I’m actually glad I don’t have to deal with the live chat when episodes come on. But I’ve said it before (though probably not here) but there’s a bigger story beyond Neal’s death. There’s still more story to tell. Like the final battle that was mentioned in the pilot? I actually like the podcast has mostly stayed away from ‘ships territory because it’s not a ‘ship oriented podcast. It’s about the show and the story.
Agreed, Neal’s death was the same as Pan’s was, to serve the bigger story. i mean if Pan hadnt died, Rumple wouldnt have finally, after hundreds of years, made the right choice & sacrificed himself for his son & thus be redeemed for letting him go in Neal’s eyes/heart. It also helps pair Rumbelle, Belle always knew it, but now she’s seen it & set up our entire 3B plot. Time will tell just big of an impact Neal’s death will have- we already know it’s, what has thrown a spanner in the works for WW’s plan, as now everyone knows who’s the big bad & that everyone will be even more focused on stopping her now.
[adrotate group="5"]Ok- so what are peoples thoughts on the whole Hook/Killian traveled back in time to save Emma
Anytime time travel is introduced into a show, it can quickly become a problem. Heroes is a really good example of this. Something bad happens, oh ok, we can just time travel back to the past and fix it. Problem solved. After a while, stakes becomes pointless. .
I’m okay with flashbacks as a means to help tell the story. I have no problem there. but I foresee, instead of time traveling, what they could be doing is skipping ahead.
I agree it can get really bad if poorly done, but there are actually 5 temporal paradoxes: 1) Causality (Cause comes before effect- ie. In the flow of time, the effect (Emma) would exist before the cause (her birth). 2) The grandfather paradox (You change the past but you’ll instantly feel the alteration, as will your ancestors). 3) Consistent causal loop (You can travel back, but you always did, so nothing changes). 4) Distorted probability (You can travel back but you can’t change anything). 5) Parallel universe (You can change the past, but you’ll just create a brand new timeline). & that’s where I have problems with it- it’s not much of a story with 1, 2, 3 or 4 IMO either. #5 can be very interesting when done right- but then who’s really who & it can get messy fast!
Plus didnt A&E say they arent doing time travel anyway (I think they said it during the whole ‘who is August’ & ‘who sent the card’ thing, when people kept saying it was future Henry)
I never got the impression that CS was very popular on the Once podcast. Seems like they can’t go an episode without theorizing Hook’s death, or his eventually moving on with someone else who isn’t Emma.
And I didn’t really care for Jeremy’s generalizing of the CS fans and why he believes we ship Emma and Hook. Bad form.
Other than that, I enjoy most of the show and the discussions they have. There are times they can even make me laugh.
Agreed @rogvortex58
You just made my day @obisgirl! 😉
From the previous Once Podcast episode, for Quiet Minds:
Daniel J. Lewis: As far as making predictions, between the SwanFire and Captain Swan ‘shippers, the Captain Swan ‘shippers have been more correct in their predictions and theories of what would happen, things such as…she cites multiple examples..but certain things like they’d been theorizing that there would be a kiss between Emma and Hook, and there was a little spoiler that Emma [Jennifer Morrison] said something, ‘When you get to kiss someone on-screen, it’s always fun.” Everyone assumed that meant Hook [and it was]. Jeremy: I love that a kiss is an event with spoilers and articles…and what not. Daniel J. Lewis: But there have been several things where, yeah, it does maybe look like Captain Swan ‘shippers are more correct in their theories and certainly deserve recognition for interpreting the show correctly in certain directions. But I know that’s not without error.
I was in the show chat when this happened & it was so uncomfortable lol. Yeah when it comes to stuff with our ship we’ve been good about predicting it’s direction. The show has been very good to our ship. It’s just that how it read was that CS shippers are smart and SFers cant’t see past the end of their nose. What’s worse is when it was said right in the middle of the episode dealing with Neal’s death. So it also came off like we were celebrating that he’s no longer a threat to our ship. Just bad taste, I felt so bad that I apologized to the whole chat. I predicted Neal’s death I know there were others that did too but it just didn’t seem to gloat about it when many SFers were in mourning and that’s how it looked like a giant “I told you so.”
I ignored the signs hinting at the death completely. I was in total denial about Neal dying. Because despite my own shipping preference I didn’t want it too happen. It all just felt too soon.
It’ll suck for Henry when he gets his memories back.
It’ll suck for Henry when he gets his memories back.
Yes it will- I bet he is going to be upset with Emma about it to begin with as well (at least until he’s filled in on what happened), poor kid.
I love the podcast, love how everyone (most of the time) talks about the show objectively. I think the only time I had to shut it off, was for 3×06 Ariel when they talked about Emma’s confession to Neal. Daniel and Jeremy don’t really focus on the ‘shipper stuff and I’m okay with that. Not everyone looks at the show with ‘shipper glasses as RG says.
I’m glad I could make your day @surayya 🙂 You’re welcome!
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