The Captain Swan thread!

[MysteryKat25]

Started my rewatch of the season tonight (ending on Tallahassee for obvious reasons…) and there are sooo many things in the Crocodile & Tallahassee that give me hope. (As angry as I get with half of Tallahassee it has some great moments).

Earlier Princess Bride was brought up in another thread and I go back to my original assessment: Hook is this generations Westley / Dread Pirate Roberts. Seriously watch 2×04 & 2×06 and tell me he’s not!

I get why others suggested that he was Inigo Montoya instead but I seriously think if he sounds like anybody he sounds like Westley, especially on rewatching these eps.

SO MANY FEELINGS!

Also I want Killian’s backstory and would love for him to have grown up on a farm or something so that we could do not only the Princess Bride stuff but also parallel to Charming. Charming & Hook are more alike than they may seem at first, I feel it. Can't wait to see them work together in the finale!

There are a lot of quotes from the Crocodile and Tallahassee that give me hope. Things that stuck out to me:

I especially loved the one where Hook tells her that what she wants is right in front of her and then proceeds to walk RIGHT IN FRONT OF HER.

All of the compliments that he gives her that are based on accomplishments. It’s not just flirting people, it’s compliments about things she is capable of doing. She is an open book to him and yet still has her walls up – he loves a good challenge and they make “quite the pair” – I mean really, how do people not see that there’s at least some sort of setup there and we’re not delusional?!?

[MysteryKat25]

*mini-freakout in progress*

HOOK IS ON THE DVD COVER – The complete 2nd season of Once Upon A Time DVD cover – you know, the thing at the top with all the pictures of the CORE cast. Typically only Rumple, Regina, Emma, Snow, & Charming?? HOOK’s WITH THEM.

http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/news/Time-Season-2/18444

If they thought he had enough this year to add him…can’t wait to see what happens next year. This is what hope looks right guys…right?!?

I haven’t seen that cover anywhere but tumblr but that article I linked to said that it was the finalized cover art so I think the other has just been filler elsewhere until now (it has yesterday’s date on it). Usually it’s just the magic is coming poster with different words but this looks like it’s supposed to be the official one…I hope!

So let’s recount shall we? Colin was made a regular pretty fast after being in his first couple of episodes (sometime between 2×04 & 2×06 I think it’s safe to say – need to check the dates; when they saw huge potential and loved what was happening – as do we of course, he was brilliant especially in those eps…) Colin was also at PaleyFest where massive hints were made (even though they kept Colin and JMO at opposite ends of the room which I think they did on purpose…) and now Hook is on the DVD cover?!?

SO MANY FEELINGS

Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.

[surayya]

*Hands Kat a brown paper bag (cant have you passing out ;)) & a valium cookie*
See that’ll teach me for going off to watch Defiance – I come back & Hook is on the cover of S2 DVDs 😆 (maybe I should do it more often 😉 ). We’re watching Tangled next – so maybe we’ll get an awesome CS teaser while I’m gone 😆 😉

I have to rewatch the Princess Bride – I havent seen it for 20 odd yrs- my poor rusty brain has no clue who Westley / Dread Pirate Roberts is & since he is mentioned so often in relation to Hook I get confused 😕 😆

I hear you Kat- I’ve rewatched Hook’s ep’s at least twice now- 1 of my my fav eps is Tallahassee because of Emma’s & Hook’s interactions- they seem to promise some VERY interesting Emma growth & story lines, courtesy of Hook (the ep is so darn good for so many reasons!) It’s a shame we have still yet to get those.
I will have to re-watch & listen harder to whats said, good catch on the compliments front- I hadn’t noticed 🙂

I especially loved the one where Hook tells her that what she wants is right in front of her and then proceeds to walk RIGHT IN FRONT OF HER

😆 The man has all the subtly of a charging bull in a china store 😉

[obisgirl]

@MysteryKat25 wrote:

So let’s recount shall we? Colin was made a regular pretty fast after being in his first couple of episodes (sometime between 2×04 & 2×06 I think it’s safe to say – need to check the dates; when they saw huge potential and loved what was happening – as do we of course, he was brilliant especially in those eps…) Colin was also at PaleyFest where massive hints were made (even though they kept Colin and JMO at opposite ends of the room which I think they did on purpose…) and now Hook is on the DVD cover?!?

SO MANY FEELINGS

That is awesome. I’m right there with you with the CS feelings.

[kfchimera]

Yes, Hook is getting woven in tighter to the core cast. They showed the scarf he used to bandage Emma’s hand when he stole back his Hook, didn’t they? In show hints are even better, b/c of all the salt we need in what A&E /actors say.

And I thought it was a red leather coat Hook has on, but someone was right, it is only an under vest, probably not leather, but it is red. Well keep an eye out for wardrobe parallels–it was one of the clues on Smallville for Chlollie. It can be easily misread of course, but it is a technique they use on the show as Henry and Neal often have the same red/grey scarf type thing.

“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass

[surayya]

@KFChimera wrote:

Yes, Hook is getting woven in tighter to the core cast. They showed the scarf he used to bandage Emma’s hand when he stole back his Hook, didn’t they? In show hints are even better, b/c of all the salt we need in what A&E /actors say.

And I thought it was a red leather coat Hook has on, but someone was right, it is only an under vest, probably not leather, but it is red. Well keep an eye out for wardrobe parallels–it was one of the clues on Smallville for Chlollie. It can be easily misread of course, but it is a technique they use on the show as Henry and Neal often have the same red/grey scarf type thing.

Agreed!
And that was me- I was mighty confused looking for the red coat, then realized it must be his lovely red waist coat 😆 (Got all excited thinking he’d had his 1st costume change since his intro 😆 ).

Sadly had to edit my creative (aka sleep deprived) spelling- it’s 2am here…. Got caught up playing Once Hangman 😳 Just as well it’s Sunday & I can sleep in for a change (silly additive Once hangman) For those that want to play (lots of Hook in there) http://www.hangman.no/ & enter hjjibgdhdfbb in the code box.

[PriceofMagic]

I just had a thought that they might Spuffy CaptainSwan or Ross and Rachel Swanfire.

All magic comes with a price!

Keeper of Felix

[MysteryKat25]

So many things here!

* Super happy Hook is being woven in more
* Colin seems over the moon about the finale so that gives me hope
* Clothing – Yep, it's the red that he used to wear but I love what he wears now too so I'll take it even if he doesn't get to change often lol (I do love that jacket…hence getting it from the keeper thread & was psyched to hear how much Colin loves it too – what's not to love??). H&K kinda laughed off the clothing stuff and said that sometimes people just need a change in wardrobe….but Emma started off in red and is now in black, JUST. LIKE. HOOK. They even match for the finale from what I've seen so far.
* The scarf. So many feelings but was so happy to see it again so hopefully it’ll get mentioned or shown again at some point. That scarf has history! (Really he should be wearing it at some point in the past so it’s available to be taken off and given to Emma to bandage her wounds but the scarf is an important prop! It’s our chipped cup…
* I could totally see them with Spuffy CaptainSwan which worries me cause I liked Spuffy til it was just so much using Spike and then it went downhill for me, and Ross and Rachel SwanFire ugh, sooooo long and drawn out. It needs to be a slow burn but not with an on off burner that takes 10 years either (though if we get the show that long because of it I could deal…I guess).

There were a few more notes I was gonna make during the rewatch but I was so focused / so shocked by some of the setup stuff (now that I’m more prone to noticing these things…) like with the wanting what’s right in front of you and then seeing him walk right in front of her. I’ll take better notes next time I watch.

I should also watch Princess Bride with all these Hook feels. Seriously if you watch Crocodile & Tallahassee with Westley in mind (in his Dread Pirate Roberts days of course) it’s there, it’s just…it’s there. (Do I think Hook is a bit more evil than Westley of course, but we don’t know to what extent he was really piratey – could have been all talk but charmed his way through goodness knows what, who knows).

That being said…the giant’s lair is the closest equivalent of CaptainSwan’s Fire Swamp..at least so far, but at least now I remember where I got the Princess Bride vibe in the first place!

He’s not all Westley and not all Captain Jack and there’s some classic Hook thrown in and I’m sure a myriad of other things but it is a part of it. His voice even sounds a bit like it in those 2 episodes especially!

Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.

[MysteryKat25]

Side note relating to Tallahassee I forgot to mention –

That awkward moment when you’re listening to Anton’s story and feeling so bad for what he’s been through…and then realizing that Emma’s uncle was part of the cause of his pain.

Side note to the side note – I never think of him that way! He’s always been Charming’s evil twin to me but Emma’s heart-to-heart with Anton made me think of it now that we know about James & Jack. It was technically her family that did all of that, and she chose goodness like her dad instead of her uncle.

Hook & Emma are also a nice …anti-parallel? (what’s the term I’m looking for?) to James & Jack. James left Jack there to die and didn’t seem to care much. Emma was clearly torn and upset in having to leave Hook there (and EVERY time he got trapped, in danger, etc she called out his name in sheer panic or pulled him super close to her to save him). Hook thought she was going to leave him to die (much like Jack and James…) but Emma made a point of saying he wouldn’t and made a deal with Anton to keep him safe.

She locked him up because she could’t trust herself to be wrong, but she still made sure he was safe. I really hope he addresses that at some point. With how intuitive he was on the beanstalk I want him to have read *something* into what she said and put two and two together once he finds out that the guy who wrecked her was NealFire.

He didn’t get a chance to chase after her the way he wanted to because of Cora who is not an issue anymore. Bring on serious discussions and TRUST between these two. (I need to look back over Hook’s quotes but he does mention trust a lot.)

I was reminded of this when watching Peter Pan the other night and reading some of the Killipan theories that Hook was once Peter and then left and grew up and returned – which does explain how Hook knew where to go to get enough time to plot revenge but it doesn’t explain all the clues that connect Neal to Peter so I’m not sure yet, but one thing I did notice was that Peter says in order to fly it just takes “faith, trust, and pixie dust.” The trust part stuck out to me because Hook so often asks for it. I can’t remember if he ever mentions having a little faith (I feel like there’s something…) and we haven’t seen pixie dust yet but there was at least a little speculation based on the picture of Bae on the ceiling – it doesn't look like he's holding himself up so the thought is that somebody, maybe Hook, is using pixie dust on him to keep him on the ceiling to hide him.

Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.

[surayya]

“faith, trust, and pixie dust.” Sounds like an awesome episode title to me – S03E01 maybe 😉

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