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The Captain Swan thread!

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  • April 9, 2014 at 6:30 pm #260452
    surayya
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    Just for fun. I also caught this while watching Game of Thrones: http://captaincalahaan.tumblr.com/post/82115599083/there-is-a-party-tonight-and-you-are-not-invited

    LOL! Thanks for that 🙂

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    April 9, 2014 at 6:34 pm #260454
    obisgirl
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    I really hope when Emma finally tells Hook that she loves him, it isn’t under a moment of duress. I really want it to happen naturally without anything traumatic going on.

    Also, I don’t want her to say, ‘I love you Hook’ I hope she says, ‘I love you Killian.’

    April 9, 2014 at 6:42 pm #260455
    surayya
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    I don’t know about TLK, but I don’t see them falling in love this episode. For some reason though, my intuition keeps flagging episode 19 (A curious thing) as a possibility. It doesn’t necessarilly mean TLK, but my gut says there’s going to be something. I’ve nothing to back it up with and could be wrong, but….let’s just call it a feeling. As for how Emma will fall in love with Hook: Emma is blinded right now. She’s blinded by her walls, which are comprised of two things: Fear, and caution which come from recent events, and her perception of normal as developed since childhood. She never had any stability. She always had to depend on herself. She’s never learned to completely trust anybody. Something will have to disrupt her foundation; her world view, and shake her perception of normality for these walls to come down. They might never come down, completely. Remember: When people fall in love with someone, they don’t just give them their heart. They accept a vulnerability with an acceptance of that person being worth the risk that they might get hurt. Emma’s walls are why for now, for her to fall in love with Hook, she will need to make herself vulnerable. For her to do that, I think will take something shocking, or drastic; at least, at this point. People don’t just say okay, you win, let down their walls, kiss, and walk away holding hands while birds sing. No, her foundation needs to be shaken, and her world view disrupted. Why do I know this? I am a foster parent. I have learned a lot, and having spoken to other parents about older children, have learned about attachment issues which develop after years of no stability. It’s not just a matter of not wanting to have relationships. Remember: Emma was a foster child her whole life. she probably never really learned how to develop or maintain long-term relationships. When she was ready to try that with Neal, she got her heart broken (and Walsh ended up being a flying monkey. Remember how hesitant she was, when Walsh asked for her hand in marriage? She trusted Walsh to a point, but her hesitation, if it was in any part due to her superpower, was mostly due to what a “marriage” would represent to her, and the part of herself she’d have to give up; the walls she’d put up became an object of security for her, and that meant loosing some of that. Her wall was fortified even more, when she learned walsh was someone she couldn’t trust. That’s why she’s so cold toward Hook. She doesn’t dislike him, but she doesn’t trust him, either. She can’t. Not yet. Emma is a very intelligent and beautiful lady with a lot of street smarts, but in many ways, is still a child herself. That’s why one of two things will need to happen for her to become receptive to a long-term relationship. It will need to be a slow-burn (which in a real-world setting can take years), or something drastic will need to happen, which would be traumatic enough to shake her perception of reality. Sorry, long post, and I know a lot of it may seem redundant, but I hope my point comes across well.

    Great post. I totally get your point as well & agree with you (which is part of why I’m willing to cut her slack for the way she’s been treating Killy of late- if it continues into S4 in a big way I might get a little sick of it, but for now I understand why she is doing whats she’s doing). Here, have a cookie 🙂

    Another point is, Emma probably uses it as a means to intimidate & chase off guys as well, it’s another defense mechanism- Killy isnt someone she can have a meaningless one night stand with (or she wouldnt bother with the barbs- they’d be friends with benefits & thats all- no deeper emotional attachments required), he’s temptation island for her getting/having what she really wants- so she tries to wound him to chase him off of ‘going there’ & tempting her with something she wants- but has blown up in her face twice already, so she feels she cant have.

    April 9, 2014 at 6:44 pm #260456
    surayya
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    I really hope when Emma finally tells Hook that she loves him, it isn’t under a moment of duress. I really want it to happen naturally without anything traumatic going on. Also, I don’t want her to say, ‘I love you Hook’ I hope she says, ‘I love you Killian.’

    YES! Agreed! 🙂

    April 9, 2014 at 7:24 pm #260461
    surayya
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    April 9, 2014 at 8:05 pm #260464
    callmeLola
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    I really hope when Emma finally tells Hook that she loves him, it isn’t under a moment of duress. I really want it to happen naturally without anything traumatic going on. Also, I don’t want her to say, ‘I love you Hook’ I hope she says, ‘I love you Killian.’

    Also agree with this.

    I was thinking today about the hate A and E are going to receive from SF fans when the TLK or I love you’s happen. That’s also why I don’t think anything will be happening between them on 3×17; its way too soon after Neal’s death (not way too soon for me and other CSers I’m sure, but Adam had better get his snarky “Thanks for watching!” fingers ready to go)

    April 9, 2014 at 9:03 pm #260467
    Jenna_B
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    I don’t know about TLK, but I don’t see them falling in love this episode. For some reason though, my intuition keeps flagging episode 19 (A curious thing) as a possibility. It doesn’t necessarilly mean TLK, but my gut says there’s going to be something. I’ve nothing to back it up with and could be wrong, but….let’s just call it a feeling. As for how Emma will fall in love with Hook: Emma is blinded right now. She’s blinded by her walls, which are comprised of two things: Fear, and caution which come from recent events, and her perception of normal as developed since childhood. She never had any stability. She always had to depend on herself. She’s never learned to completely trust anybody. Something will have to disrupt her foundation; her world view, and shake her perception of normality for these walls to come down. They might never come down, completely. Remember: When people fall in love with someone, they don’t just give them their heart. They accept a vulnerability with an acceptance of that person being worth the risk that they might get hurt. Emma’s walls are why for now, for her to fall in love with Hook, she will need to make herself vulnerable. For her to do that, I think will take something shocking, or drastic; at least, at this point. People don’t just say okay, you win, let down their walls, kiss, and walk away holding hands while birds sing. No, her foundation needs to be shaken, and her world view disrupted. Why do I know this? I am a foster parent. I have learned a lot, and having spoken to other parents about older children, have learned about attachment issues which develop after years of no stability. It’s not just a matter of not wanting to have relationships. Remember: Emma was a foster child her whole life. she probably never really learned how to develop or maintain long-term relationships. When she was ready to try that with Neal, she got her heart broken (and Walsh ended up being a flying monkey. Remember how hesitant she was, when Walsh asked for her hand in marriage? She trusted Walsh to a point, but her hesitation, if it was in any part due to her superpower, was mostly due to what a “marriage” would represent to her, and the part of herself she’d have to give up; the walls she’d put up became an object of security for her, and that meant loosing some of that. Her wall was fortified even more, when she learned walsh was someone she couldn’t trust. That’s why she’s so cold toward Hook. She doesn’t dislike him, but she doesn’t trust him, either. She can’t. Not yet. Emma is a very intelligent and beautiful lady with a lot of street smarts, but in many ways, is still a child herself. That’s why one of two things will need to happen for her to become receptive to a long-term relationship. It will need to be a slow-burn (which in a real-world setting can take years), or something drastic will need to happen, which would be traumatic enough to shake her perception of reality. Sorry, long post, and I know a lot of it may seem redundant, but I hope my point comes across well.

    Excellent post, Sarah!

    I’ve seen on other sites people saying Emma’s regressed this season.  But considering, I don’t think she’s regressed at all.  Especially taking in your post…when you think about the past we haven’t seen, but know wasn’t good, and how much she’s changed since S1, she’s actually doing quite well.

    The more I think about it, the more I don’t want an ILY or TLK during this episode.   I’d be happy with some CS development though!  I’m always game for that! 🙂  It doesn’t have to be a huge declaration of love.  I’d just like Emma to really face this relationship – acknowledge why she’s leaving Henry in Hook’s care, primarily.  And considering it’s likely something is going to happen to Hook, I’d like to see Emma realize she can’t lose him.  I don’t want Hook to be the first to say ‘I love you’.  I really want Emma to be the one to say it first.  Hook’s said it in every way possible, without actually saying the words.  And the only reason he hasn’t said the words is because he knows Emma – she’s made strides but she’d freak at that.

    People say Emma isn’t as deeply invested in this relationship as Hook is – that she’s not there yet.  Just because she hasn’t openly admitted it, or perhaps not even acknowledged it to herself, doesn’t mean she’s not as invested, though.  Hook and Emma are extremely similar, but one major difference between them is the fact that when Hook is in he’s ALL in.  There is zero moderation with him.  So there is no ‘gee, I might like this girl, I could see it going somewhere but let’s go slow and see what happens.’  But Emma of course, is still learning the skills to live like that, so she tries her hardest to find and stay in that safe place, even if it means outright lying to herself.

    So even if learning whatever she learns during this upcoming episode gets her to even work on trying to deal with the truth of what is going on, I’ll be a happy girl.  And then wait impatiently for 3×21/22 where there had BEST bet TLK or ‘ILY’!  haha

    April 9, 2014 at 9:18 pm #260469
    polythenepam
    Participant

    Just had another theory on 3X17

    What if Killian in armor is actually a future vision? What if he runs into a seer who shows him his future, with Emma as his TL and him as a knight in the EF? This could also explain why he was so confident the TLK would work on Emma in 3X11.

    April 9, 2014 at 9:20 pm #260470
    obisgirl
    Participant

    Could be.

    April 9, 2014 at 9:31 pm #260471
    Jenna_B
    Participant

    Interesting idea.

    In looking at the pics for 3×17, I think the story of Blackbeard will be Hook ‘looking into the future.’  We’ve all commented on how similar they look – and I’m sure that was done on purpose.  We’ve been told BB is not Hook’s father…but they still cast someone who looks like he could be related to Hook.  I think Hook is going to see BB, on the JR, and it’s going to be like looking at what he’d become if he could actually go back to that life…his own version of looking at his future ‘through the looking glass’.

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