The Captain Swan thread!

[surayya]

Merida makes 11- but there is a huge uproar over disney giving her a makeover (she’s slimmer, has bigger wider eyes, flasher dress & not a frizzy lock in sight)- I think they should leave how she is personally (It was nice to have a ‘real’ princess for a change).

KFChimera, I cant even read that song without it getting stuck in my head lol

Kat- you can either DL, DVD ripping software- usually free (if you don’t already have one) & rip the DVD’s straight to desktop (some of these files can be MASSIVE tho & WMM isn’t the fastest at importing, so it may pay to look for software that allows you to choose individual chapters to rip off of each disk), or DL each of the eps you need the clips from, then import them to WMM (Windows Movie Maker).
I always used to convert WMM vids into avi so it was playable anywhere.

This time (because all this talk of fanvids had me hunt out my old SG1 fanvids & now it has my creative juices flowing- as well as a desperate need to re-watch SG1 ….again. Seems to be parallels between Vala/Daniel & CS as well 😀 ..ok back on point…) rather than ripping from Dvd/Bluray, I’m going to try with my already DL 720p copies.
Think I’ll start with a Vala/Daniel shipvid (since there is more to work with & I know them already so well), then work on a CS vid before a parallel vid (depending on how the finale goes). I’m thinking maybe an Imagine Dragons tune or even Of Men & Monsters…. hmmmm (better go finishing making my Mother her mothers day dinner, since it’s mothers day & all- it wouldn’t seem right to say ‘oops! take out cause I was online obsessing over CS rather than cooking you a special dinner’ 😉 😆 )

[surayya]

Is it just me or does Hook’s voice & tone change when he notices her hand is cut? (seems to speak in a softer more concerned tone than usual) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmnkadQHQpw&NR=1&feature=fvwp

Even on the way up the beanstalk during their heart to heart (ok if we’re honest- Hook’s prying..aka observations of Emma 😉 lol), his tone was harder, more clipped & self interested/closed off – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRnvL2UEvn4

There is a distinct difference to me – Of course that could just be me reading much more into it than there really is 😉

[kfchimera]

@Surayya wrote:

Merida makes 11- but there is a huge uproar over disney giving her a makeover (she’s slimmer, has bigger wider eyes, flasher dress & not a frizzy lock in sight)- I think they should leave how she is personally (It was nice to have a ‘real’ princess for a change).

I think my hair might turn bright red, curl and I’ll pick up a bow and shoot it in the general direction of whatever executive is in charge (though just a warning shot!) if they give her a prince too–especially if it is the arrogant McIntosh guy. It’d be kind of funny if its Dingwall though. I could totally see some exec at Disney giving her a classic sort of Prince, because they’ve done exactly that type of thing before.
My daughter loves those Princess Sing-Along videos where they do a Princess Tea. At the end of the video they have all the Disney Princesses dancing with their partners–but they included the character Melody, who is in a sequel as Ariel’s daughter. She is supposed to be only 12 (inexplicably dancing next to the 16 year old version of her mother….). Anyway, she has no real romance interest in the movie, but they have her dancing with the boy shown in her movie that she dances with at her birthday party–but he is supposed to be kind of a rude, stuck up kid (at least, you don’t get the feeling Melody or he would ever want to dance together again). But a Princess must have a prince and so there you go, they’re dancing! 😆 😆

@Surayya wrote:

since it’s mothers day & all- it wouldn’t seem right to say ‘oops! take out cause I was online obsessing over CS rather than cooking you a special dinner’ 😉 😆 )

Hm but if you are the momma, does it then give you the excuse to say “I’m not cooking because I am obsessing over OUAT in general?” Cause that’s my general plan today.

“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass

[MysteryKat25]

@Surayya wrote:

Is it just me or does Hook’s voice & tone change when he notices her hand is cut? (seems to speak in a softer more concerned tone than usual) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmnkadQHQpw&NR=1&feature=fvwp

Even on the way up the beanstalk during their heart to heart (ok if we’re honest- Hook’s prying..aka observations of Emma 😉 lol), his tone was harder, more clipped & self interested/closed off – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRnvL2UEvn4

There is a distinct difference to me – Of course that could just be me reading much more into it than there really is 😉

I agree completely! On the way up he was perceptive and prying but then he got all concerned that she was hurt and insisted on helping (what pirate would waste his rum on just anyone? I mean really…anybody else would have been on their own for sure).

Thanks for the clips! It reminded me of a few of my Tangled parallels from yesterday:

1) SATCHEL…Hook goes to great lengths to catch his satchel over the portal in Queen of Hearts to return Aurora’s heart & Flynn has to go down the tree branch to get it before he and Maximus fall but more importantly…

2) THE HAND WRAP!!!!! – Rapunzel has magic hair and wraps it around Flynn’s cut hand to heal him! (Ok so it’s reversed here cause Flynn is usually Hook but it’s still a parallel)

This video (not mine) shows the hand wrap scene. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GAeLk0FO7Q

(Love this scene!) Pay close attention to the lyrics of the hair magic song: “change the fate’s design” – see, it can happen whether Rumple, Bae, etc etc believe in fate or not. We’ve already seen Belle say that she decides her own fate…I don’t see Emma putting up with this fate stuff much. She’s still not completely comfortable with being the Savior because she feels like she let people down when she was stuck in Rumple’s old cell etc. She’s still skeptical about anything relating to fate and destiny. Just because some characters believe doesn’t mean the rest have to and Emma is independent and strong.

The hand wrap scene also has Flynn giving his background as Eugene…bring on some Killian backstory!! I want a scene like this with CaptainSwan someday!

3) Rapunzel’s DREAM was always to go see the lanterns, that was it. She spent her entire life dreaming of it because they are lit up and released every year on her birthday and she thinks it’s beautiful. She eventually gets it but then needs a new dream…Flynn becomes her new dream, just as she becomes his (he’s over stealing, wants the girl). HELLO CAPTAINSWAN. Just because 1 dream has been the whole life so far for Emma to have her family back and for Hook to get revenge doesn’t mean they can’t have another dream.

This vid (not mine) shows a lot of the new dream stuff starting around the :55 part when she starts talking about how long she’s been dreaming: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67Jzq49Jvlo

4) There’s various other things (getting knocked out, tied up, lost princess being reunited with her parents & learning who she is etc etc) but the flower thing – Aurora was born with magic because of it and it has healing powers, glows brightly when used etc etc. Emma has a flower tattoo on her wrist that has yet to be explained (it’s an Emma thing, not a JMO thing – she doesn’t have any) and her magic she was born with and has a brightness to it as well. Just something fun I noticed with all the flower things going on in Tangled because we still don’t know about Emma’s tattoo.

It would be kind of awesome (but they would have me FREAKING OUT of course) if they try to make us think that Hook is dead at some point or near death but then Emma is able to heal him with her magic that she hasn’t quite figured out yet. They’ve written Emma in such a way that she fits into the fairy tale world of stories very well and we know from stories like Beauty & the Beast as well as Tangled that sometimes magic, tears, I love yous etc etc have power (and we saw Emma wake up Henry with it too so not again any time soon and not from a sleeping curse if it ever happens to Hook – I’d rather it be a wound of some kind that she is able to heal because she loves him so much and can’t let him die). It would surprise her with the level of magic but it would be a beautiful scene at some point wayyyy in the future too (I could totally see them try to make us freak out for real given all the crazyness that was this year).

Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.

[PriceofMagic]

Just rewatched Tallahassee. Emma seems almost flustered around Hook whilst they are in the giant’s castle. The look he compared her too with the Lost Boys is being left alone. Also Emma says she can’t risk being wrong about Hook. Emma usually relies on her superpower to tell when someone’s lying which is why she was sure Tamara was up to something. We know that when Emma gets emotionally involved in a situation, her superpower becomes unreliable. The fact that Emma can’t trust her own judgement when it comes to Hook suggests that she does have feelings for him and she recognises those feelings.

I do believe I’m starting to ship CaptainSwan though Rumbelle will always be my OTP on this show.

All magic comes with a price!

Keeper of Felix

[MysteryKat25]

PriceofMagic – yay! (and it’s totally legit to love more than one ship on the show. I love RumBelle and Snowing too, just not to the same level yet that I love CaptainSwan – probably has something to do with the inevitability of them vs the gutwrenching question marks that CS has but I do love more than 1!)

I just noticed something. When Cora confronts Hook about what happened at the base of the beanstalk and asks him who bested him he says “The Swan girl. Emma”…he calls her swan a lot of the time but when he talks ABOUT her he has to say her name. The fact that he used both when talking to Cora (and her instincts causing her to say “You chose her” tells me that she noticed it just as much as I did. He made a point of saying her name!!! When you avoid the name you’re not quite as obsessed in my opinion, but when you can’t help but bring up their name in conversation (even if you’re bitter about being bested and left behind…) it shows something. He couldn’t just say “Emma bested me” or “The Swan girl bested me.” It was “The Swan girl: Emma”…he said it twice basically, like he didn’t want to have to say that it was her, not because he was embarrassed at being bested (especially after he was so enticed by it when he realized she was a challenge and he likes challenges…didn’t even seem to care too much that he was tied to a tree as long as she eventually saved him from it lol), but that he didn’t want to believe that she had done that to him!

Cora keeps a watchful eye on everything he does after that (though he does try to kill her or part ways with her a couple of times) and even she notices it! She uses it to literally put words into Aurora’s mouth because she can tell they come from some place real and let’s face it, the best lies always are.

I don’t want to play favorites between Rumple & Cora on their ability to see things but Cora definitely saw what we see in Hook with regards to how he feels about Emma. It’s just obvious.

Rumple hasn’t seen that side of Hook and has reasons to hate him etc, so of course he wants Emma back with his son so that they can all be happy. He was right in telling Neal that he didn’t need to meet Tamara because she wouldn’t be staying around long because Neal is still in love with Emma and until he’s not, he can’t give his heart to someone else. That’s all true. However, Rumple’s seer powers are as unreliable as Emma’s superpower so it has to be taken with a grain of salt and his point of view: I seriously doubt he wants Hook around Henry and he wants Bae to be happy. Cora was just observing what was in front of her and almost killed Hook because she truly believed he was on Emma’s side now – he had to do outrageous things just to stay alive and STILL kept trying to part ways with Cora.

This is a man focused on revenge and he has not once acted out because Emma left him up there. He’s done what he’s had to in order to survive but leaving himself as many loopholes as possible to undo the damage at later date. There is goodness still in him (regardless of Belle’s skewed view – she sees Phillip in the Yaogui & Rumple in the Dark One but she is biased against anybody who hates her man, even when he has just cause to do so because Rumple is once again leaving out key details in what he tells Belle – not that I blame her and I admire her loyalty & spunk)

I need Hook to tell Emma about the swordfight and that he was really planning on going with them. I need that so badly! Looking forward to seeing Hook working alongside Charming – Emma better be a big part of making that happen – I think she will be, otherwise there's no way Charming would trust Hook.

Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.

[moraha]

@PriceofMagic wrote:

Just rewatched Tallahassee. Emma seems almost flustered around Hook whilst they are in the giant’s castle. The look he compared her too with the Lost Boys is being left alone. Also Emma says she can’t risk being wrong about Hook. Emma usually relies on her superpower to tell when someone’s lying which is why she was sure Tamara was up to something. We know that when Emma gets emotionally involved in a situation, her superpower becomes unreliable. The fact that Emma can’t trust her own judgement when it comes to Hook suggests that she does have feelings for him and she recognises those feelings.

I do believe I’m starting to ship CaptainSwan though Rumbelle will always be my OTP on this show.

THIS!!
And it’s great that you’re turning into a CS’er – welcome! 😉 😀

[kfchimera]

@MysteryKat25 wrote:

PriceofMagic – yay! (and it’s totally legit to love more than one ship on the show. I love RumBelle and Snowing too, just not to the same level yet that I love CaptainSwan – probably has something to do with the inevitability of them vs the gutwrenching question marks that CS has but I do love more than 1!)

I actually like all of them. There’s just much less mystery to Rumbelle and Snowing now–and it is (in my opinion) a toss up what will happen over the course of next season or the hoped for several seasons down the line. MJR said he ships it all, which I liked, but then I just saw another person say they just ship Emma and Happiness. I feel that way too–but include all the characters more or less (except the ones I’ve said I hate like Blind Witch and George, they can rot .).

However, Rumple’s seer powers are as unreliable as Emma’s superpower so it has to be taken with a grain of salt and his point of view:

I don’t think that’s the case–his powers were not unreliable due to emotion, but rather, reading the future is always difficult due to the complexity of what will be versus may be. Subtle and in this case unimportant distinction but in any case, I agree it probably is his point of view, rather than a prediction, that he feels Neal had feelings for Emma, and that Emma had feelings for Neal. After all, when Rumpel spoke to Emma it was in NY with no magic, plus he hadn’t forseen that Emma knew his son at all, let alone knew him enough to have Henry with him. So what he said, in so far as thinking they carried torches for each other, has been shown that he was right. He did NOT make a prediction that they end up together happily ever after nor did he imply he had.

So it is not at all about comparing Rumpel’s ability to see things versus Cora–neither was really looking into the future of Emma’s love life. Both were just reading the present as savy judges of character. There is no contradiction then in what they’ve said, no reason to read into Rumpel’s opinion of Hook because I don’t think Rumpel even thinks that’s a possibility yet. Perhaps in the finale or next season he will react as you are predicting.

As to Cora, she also did not read Emma. She only read Hook’s feelings regarding Emma. I agree with how you’ve interpreted Cora’s line of thinking.

All that said now, Emma’s feelings were as Neal fell away from her are certainly something that could change given that she thinks he is now dead. She spent years waiting for him (at least 2 in Tallhassee, one can debate after that point I suppose, but those 2 years living in Tallhassee after she got out of jail are hard to explain otherwise) only to lose him again. I can see her feeling “life is too short” and that in a way, she’d mourned and been alone (romantically speaking) long enough already without needing to wait years again.
I do think it looks doubtful for anything CS this season though–not waiting years doesn’t mean she isn’t even going to get through the funeral before turning to Hook!

I need Hook to tell Emma about the swordfight and that he was really planning on going with them. I need that so badly! Looking forward to seeing Hook working alongside Charming – Emma better be a big part of making that happen – I think she will be, otherwise there's no way Charming would trust Hook.

This may be something we never see, just like we may never see on screen more about how he could leave her in the prison cell–but it’s sort of the same thing–the idea that he only reluctantly was helping Cora out of self-preservation and lack of other options, and that if he’d seen an opportunity to help her, he would have taken it.

I’ve been musing whether Hook showed Emma the bean to hint that he would get word to Anton to free her, but then Cora was ahead of him and that’s how Anton ended up all handy-travel-sized.

“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass

[MysteryKat25]

Good points KFChimera 🙂

Now on to the sad news…I got a response from Keck about the finale interviews…

“there was confusion about this on twitter. I interviewed both about finale and I’m a proponent of CaptainSwan, but no scoop”

Not sure how to embed the tweet on this site *sigh* (SOMEBODY PLEASE TEACH ME??) but I guess…he did technically say he interviewed them but there wasn’t enough space in the article / must not have been too important for right now, and he agreed with the person asking him about it regarding shipping CaptainSwan (at least we have one interviewer in our corner!) but if there wasn’t enough space and once again it didn’t feel “relevant” to the finale I guess maybe it’s something to look forward to later on? *sigh*

I’m sure with everything we’ve seen so far they can’t really say tons anyway and they don’t know anything yet regarding season 3 but maybe come time for ComicCon there will be more stuff / once the show is back we might get more hints. For now we should enjoy all the hints that the actors are perfectly fine with the idea (watch PaleyFest and tell me that most of those people don’t ship it lol – Ginny got very into character but I’d like to think even Snow would eventually understand).

A lot of it should depend on where the characters stand after tonight. For instance in interviews that were out before the finale, they couldn’t really talk about Neal’s fate other than to say what it looked like to us at the time. If they do show Neal in anyway being alive after going through the portal, then they could say something about that in a future interview. They just don’t want to spoil anything right now and I get that (even if I am bummed that people keep deeming CS irrelevant to the finale when I don’t think they will be).

Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.

[surayya]

@KFChimera wrote:

@Surayya wrote:

Merida makes 11- but there is a huge uproar over disney giving her a makeover (she’s slimmer, has bigger wider eyes, flasher dress & not a frizzy lock in sight)- I think they should leave how she is personally (It was nice to have a ‘real’ princess for a change).

I think my hair might turn bright red, curl and I’ll pick up a bow and shoot it in the general direction of whatever executive is in charge (though just a warning shot!) if they give her a prince too–especially if it is the arrogant McIntosh guy. It’d be kind of funny if its Dingwall though. I could totally see some exec at Disney giving her a classic sort of Prince, because they’ve done exactly that type of thing before.
My daughter loves those Princess Sing-Along videos where they do a Princess Tea. At the end of the video they have all the Disney Princesses dancing with their partners–but they included the character Melody, who is in a sequel as Ariel’s daughter. She is supposed to be only 12 (inexplicably dancing next to the 16 year old version of her mother….). Anyway, she has no real romance interest in the movie, but they have her dancing with the boy shown in her movie that she dances with at her birthday party–but he is supposed to be kind of a rude, stuck up kid (at least, you don’t get the feeling Melody or he would ever want to dance together again). But a Princess must have a prince and so there you go, they’re dancing! 😆 😆

I agree! There is even a petition that can be signed telling the disney ptb, not to change her etc.

@KFChimera wrote:

@Surayya wrote:

since it’s mothers day & all- it wouldn’t seem right to say ‘oops! take out cause I was online obsessing over CS rather than cooking you a special dinner’ 😉 😆 )

Hm but if you are the momma, does it then give you the excuse to say “I’m not cooking because I am obsessing over OUAT in general?” Cause that’s my general plan today.

LOL, yes you being the mom, definitely don’t have to cook & can watch Once all day if you so choose 😉

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