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I AM SO DEAD RIGHT NOW! Hook ( Colin) was sooo good tonight! I was thinking, what if when Emma wants to kiss Hook and tell him she loves him, Hook will be like” No, I don’t love you”.. Won’t it parallel Snowing back in S1? * so dead*
I think my heart would actually hurt…[adrotate group="5"]I AM SO DEAD RIGHT NOW! Hook ( Colin) was sooo good tonight! I was thinking, what if when Emma wants to kiss Hook and tell him she loves him, Hook will be like” No, I don’t love you”.. Won’t it parallel Snowing back in S1? * so dead*
I think my heart would actually hurt… [/quote]
Mine would die lol
Okay, I have to do my rewatch today because I was very confused about Zelena’s whole “curse” or whatever on Killy’s lips. But the good thing I did take away was that now Emma is going to be the pursuing Hook!! So yeah, my heart was completely broken for him for like the last, what, 10 minutes of the show. When he admitted that he loves Emma and then swore on her name my fan girl heart just died. Colin seriously killed that scene. And when he came running down the docks after “Ariel” because he regretted so badly what he had done . . . that was perfect.
I still think he got rid of the Jolly Roger. I just don’t think we have seen that part yet. This was the self-loathing episode and Colin nailed it.
But yeah, I also picked up on the season 1 Snowing parallels where the King told Snow she had to tell Charming she didn’t love him or he would kill him. Killian is in the exact same position.
Did anyone else notice that when Killy had already left the apartment and was out in the hall Emma called him “Killian” when they were out of earshot? I thought this was pretty great because it is the first time she has called him “Killian” for herself not for Henry but heartbreaking because I don’t think he felt worthy of her calling him that at the moment even thought at any time he would have given anything to hear her say it. So I think it was painful for him. And my poor pirate baby couldn’t even make eye contact with her.
So this is bad but GOOD because now Emma is the pursuer. I don’t think her walls are going back – I think she is going to confront him about lying and that’s how the “I love you’s” will come out. Plus if a time travel thing happens – is the kiss still cursed if they find a way to go back into time together as well? Because then Killy’s lips won’t have been cursed yet???
I thought this was a cool combination of Snowing and Rumbelle. Belle couldn’t kiss Rumple or his magic would be taken away. But there was a loophole because when he wasn’t Rumple she could kiss him – I wonder if there is a loophole for Killy too?
UGH! I’m on feels over drive still- sorry guys, I’ll stop after this promise 🙂 …..
1) LOVE how she watches him in the mirror before trying her magic (using the power of love much Emma 😉 )
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& now he feels even more a snake- poor guy cant catch a break atm- one wrong choice ( not that I agree with what he did) & he has to stack lies on lies or risk Henry, Snowing & Emma’s friends lives if he unburdens himself & tells her the truth- that will be just killing him.
3) Poor Chamring- dumped for Killy lol
& last but not least
Okay, I have to do my rewatch today because I was very confused about Zelena’s whole “curse” or whatever on Killy’s lips. But the good thing I did take away was that now Emma is going to be the pursuing Hook!! So yeah, my heart was completely broken for him for like the last, what, 10 minutes of the show. When he admitted that he loves Emma and then swore on her name my fan girl heart just died. Colin seriously killed that scene. And when he came running down the docks after “Ariel” because he regretted so badly what he had done . . . that was perfect.
Agreed, he did & i loved him running up the dock to catch her up & tell her the truth as well.
I still think he got rid of the Jolly Roger. I just don’t think we have seen that part yet. This was the self-loathing episode and Colin nailed it.
& I want to know how he got the memory potion as well!
Did anyone else notice that when Killy had already left the apartment and was out in the hall Emma called him “Killian” when they were out of earshot? I thought this was pretty great because it is the first time she has called him “Killian” for herself not for Henry but heartbreaking because I don’t think he felt worthy of her calling him that at the moment even thought at any time he would have given anything to hear her say it. So I think it was painful for him. And my poor pirate baby couldn’t even make eye contact with her.
Yep I caught that felt the same as you 😉
So this is bad but GOOD because now Emma is the pursuer. I don’t think her walls are going back – I think she is going to confront him about lying and that’s how the “I love you’s” will come out. Plus if a time travel thing happens – is the kiss still cursed if they find a way to go back into time together as well? Because then Killy’s lips won’t have been cursed yet???
Yeah, I dont think (or want) her walls to go back up- it’s taken almost 3 whole season to get her to this point & she’s already had many set backs, just as they start to come down- I’d hate to see her badly regress now- again. See, this is where I have a problem with the whole ‘time travel’ thing- if they make that the case, then Emma & maybe even Killy wont be born yet either, so I really hope they dont ‘go there’ with that 😉
So I’m thinking the whole reason they had Killian remind us about Cora trying to rip Emma’s heart out (love is weakness vs. Emma’s response “Love is strength”) is because they also showed us that Emma’s response to the bridge exercise was much more intense than Regina expected and then Emma WANTED to see Ariel and Eric in the mirror and looked at Killian before finding the power to do it. I think they are trying to show us that Emma has truely figured out – with Killian’s help of believing in her – that she is powerful and that she is able to maximize her powers through love. And I think she has secretly, at this point, figured out that the thing she needs to focus on to reach her power is Killian (“Love is strength”). I think that is why she suddenly started started calling him calling him Killian, why she wanted him to stay for dinner, why she told him she doesn’t care what he isn’t telling her, and why she said she is tired of living in the last. She has finally realized she loves him. I don’t think she is ready to admit that to anyone else yet. Unfortunately I do think might be ready to tell Killian, but of course we have Killy’s kissing curse to deal with now. Ugh. But I do think we were supposed to think about “Love is strength” for a reason. Emma and Killian are TL and I believe she uses him as the thought to bring about her powers – I don’t believe the WW’s curse is going to be strong enough to overcome that combination.
Up until this point, we have had Killian trying to convince Emma that SHE is worthy of love and that she is strong enough to save people. She has at many times not treated Killian very nicely but he loves her so much he didn’t care. Now I think the tables have turned. Now we need Emma to help Killian to see how “powerful” he is. Being the person who is able to unleash Emma’s powers is a very important thing. Being the man that Henry WANTS as a father figure is a very important thing. Being the man that her father thinks is good for her and likes to hang out with on his own is a very special thing. Being willing to sacrifice the one thing that you never thought you would have again after 300 years in order to protect the people you love is an incredibly selfless thing to do. We need Emma to help Hook get over his self loathing just like Belle has helped Rumple. Instead of Hook seeing himself as a threat to her magic he needs to understand that he is what makes her magic stronger – and what will, therefore allow them to defeat the WW.
It will be interesting to see what happens because I don’t think the WW understand that Emma’s power is fueled by her love for Killian. So what would REALLY happen if Emma and Killian kissed now that Killian has admitted that he loves Emma and now that Emma has admitted to herself that she loves Killian (at least I believes she has admitted it to herself). Would the curse work? Or would the whole “love is strength” thing destroy the kissing curse and make Emma’s power even stronger because they have sealed their love with a kiss??
Here’s a good one from sarahbartowski.tumblr. Our hearts are too hurt for Killy we can use some laugh 🙂
So that episode was a rough watch. I am kind of in the middle about everything that happened. I am disappointed that pretty much all of our theories crashed and burned but there was definitely some good progress for CS despite the bad things that happened. This episode gave me wayyyyy too many questions though and answered very little.
I really liked Emma embracing her magic. Loved the scene at the diner with Regina eating with the Charmings like a big happy family. I thought that was overdue and illustrated how far the characters have come. Regina’s reaction (and bad coverup) to Henry driving was funny as well. I also loved that Hook did not do anything with the prostitute. Despite some of his poor pirate-y decisions this episode he was at least faithful to Emma in that respect.
I did not like that Knight Killian was a meaningless promo tease. I thought Blackbeard was just a plot device and was wasted overall. I did NOT like that Hook lied to Emma even if it was a half-lie.
Despite obviously disagreeing with his choices and hoping he would choose a different path it wasn’t really OOC for Hook to do what he did. Hook has suffered a lot of losses in his life and he is not hopeful like the Charmings. I think this was further illustrated by the little CaptainCharming scene at the diner. Frankly, even the Charmings had apparently zero hope of seeing Emma again so I don’t think it is shocking that Hook wouldn’t have hope either. I think it would be pretty natural for Hook to seek solace in the one constant in his life (the ship) if he felt he would never see Emma again. I liked the double meaning of his words regarding the ship. I am not surprised that he was unwilling to give up the one thing he had left in order to help a relative stranger. I said it earlier that I don’t really consider Hook to be a hero (yet) and this was very clearly demonstrated. I think this was a good episode for anybody that thought Hooks redemption was going too fast.
I also think it is telling that this is the first time you really see Hook have regret/guilt over something he has done. The apology he made to fake Ariel was heartbreaking. The self-loathing now that it has snowballed into the curse is very apparent. I think him feeling worthy of Emma’s love is definitely going to be an issue at some point.
So timeline wise:
1 month – Hook tells the Charmings he was always a pirate and takes off presumably to rebuild a crew and find the Jolly Roger
3 months – Hook has a skeleton crew doing “Land Pirating”. Meets up with Ariel and chooses his ship over heroism
4-12 months – ?????
1 year later – Hook believes that Emma is his TL enough to immediately try TLK. Hook has somehow separated from his crew, which resulted in them getting cursed but not him. Jolly Roger is MIA again. Still no info regarding the message or the memory potion. Hook confesses to fake Ariel that Emma broke his heart but that he still loves her.
So now my questions are:
1. Emma let down one of her walls towards the conclusion of the episode telling Hook she didn’t care what happened and she is tired of living in the past. This was AFTER she is impressed that he helped Ariel and Eric reunite (which clearly wasn’t the case). Do you think that was at least a factor in what she told Hook at the door? Do you think she will regress in her feelings for him when she finds out the truth of what happened?
2. What the heck happened to the JR and how soon do you think he realized the mistake he made? We still have 9 long months of his missing year. Another Hook quasi-centric this season? What episode could it possibly be?
3. I have to re-watch but if I recall correctly he tells Ariel that he did it because he had a hole in his heart and that his heart was broken. Ariel tells him to swear on the woman’s name that broke his heart. So did Emma actually break his heart or did circumstances? Or did I misunderstand that.
4. What does Hook do now? He clearly wanted to at least talk to David, which didn’t happen. We also see him pull away at the end of the episode. With all of that self-loathing should we be concerned that he might attempt to remove himself from the equation since its lose-lose? Personally I think he needs to tell somebody.
Despite this being angst^2 this does setup TLK pretty nicely, which balms my hurt shipper heart. I think ultimately Zelena is underestimating Emma’s feelings for Killian and her little curse is going to get smacked down by TLK.
With regard to the promo: Clearly Hook is still involved to a degree since he is at the seance. What triggers the need for it? Does Hook tell them about the curse or does something else happen? It just seems kind of random. This is the episode with what looked like a Zelena/Rumple kiss right? (ew). Zelena is definitely becoming the destroyer of ships. She has pissed off SF, CS and now it looks like OQ is going to have a big problem this episode as well as Rumbelle fans if that kiss happens.
@Rumplegoldfan, once again you climbed into my head and said everything I was thinking!
I think Killian’s going to tell Emma about the WW immediately just like he did in NL when he learned about Neal. They did show some Snowing parallels but – CS is NOT Snowing. They trust each other. They solve problems together. CS knows they can say anything to the other and it will be better than keeping it from them. I think Emma told Killian about not wanting to live in the past the MOMENT she realized how she felt. Charming STILL hid his dreamshade near-death from Snow after all this time. I think the parallels were shown to signify we AREN’T going down the same road again.
I think we’re foimg to see that Emma’s abilities far outmatch even Zelena’s. Emma’s like DARK ONE powerful but with white magic instead of dark magic. They made a big deal out of showing Zelena has never truly loved or felt loved – it’s the root of her envy. And I think because of that the greatly underestimates Emma’s ability to break her curse. Especially one as seemingly fairly simple in comparison to what she’s got planned.
And I’m still calling it – HE TRADED HIS SHIP FOR EMMA! If he just left it at the docks I’m going to be seriously PO’d!!!
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