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I have a theory! What if Hook tells Emma about the curse & she kisses him anyway? Hook’s love was able to be corrupted because he invoked it selfishly to redeem himself. So then maybe an act of unselfishness will un-do the curse & bring about TLK?
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I supported Hook’s decision of choosing his ship over Eric for the reasons that:
1. Blackbeard may not have told them the truth about where Eric was but would’ve still had the Jolly Roger and would’ve damaged Hook’s reputation beyond repair. Reputation is everything in pirate circles.
2. If Blackbeard had told the truth, how would Hook and Ariel have got to the deserted island without the ship? If Ariel decided to go alone, what would Hook have done? His pirate reputation was already in question and would’ve been destroyed and Hook would be in a worse state than he started off with.
3. Ariel found Eric on her own any way. It may have took her a little longer but she still found him.
4. If Ariel and Eric were living happily ever after on their little island, then Eric wasn’t in danger of dying of starvation.
5. Hook’s pirate reputation is important as it actually saves lives whilst he’s pirating. A ship is more likely to hand over its treasure without a fight to a “feared” pirate than to one who is known as a bit soft.
Hook should definitely tell Emma about the kiss curse because, even if he did kiss her and removed her magic in order to save her family, Zelena will just go after them any way. There’s a reason why Zelena wants Emma’s magic removed so it’s important that Emma keeps it.
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixGood points POM!
I agree that Hook needs to tell Emma. They are all in danger anyway and it looks like they will have to rely on Emma’s magic to ultimately save them since the writers have suggested Regina is not strong enough. Personally I was more disappointed that he didn’t just tell Emma upfront about the curse/threats than with the whole JR/Ariel thing.
I hate to theorize since I suck at it but I think Hook is going to end up telling Emma (or the Charmings) much like the Neal situation in Neverland and then they will go from there as a group pretty early on in the next episode. We are down to 5 left so I don’t see them drawing this out.
I don’t think anyone has posted these recaps yet:
http://screwballninja.tumblr.com/post/82699664946/why-i-was-floored-by-the-jolly-roger-this-was
I’d say overall they were pretty positive reviews coming from two non CS shippers. It was a fun episode overall, regardless of what you ship.
This made me laugh outloud today 🙂
POM – That post just gave me a lot of Dread Pirate Roberts feels! Killian obviously has a lot more bad stuff going on than Westley ever did, but they’ve always based part of him on Westley and made blatant nods to it as well. And a pirate’s reputation DOES make it so they don’t have to do as much / hurt people. It reminded me very much of Princess Bride when you said that. (Colin even did the voice a bit in 2×04. Love PB nods!)
This is going to hurt for a bit but in the long-run only make them stronger. Villains try to keep TL couples apart all the time and CS has had more than any stand in the way.
Refreshing to see that Emma is finally letting go of the past. It’s been an albatross around her neck for basically her whole life and she’s finally to a point where she can she doesn’t want to live that way anymore and is letting people in. Her scenes with Charming were amazing and I love how close they are!
Stupid Zelena! The mirror gave me back HP flashbacks. If they had only checked the mirror first! It made it so much more heartbreaking, but at the same time, especially given his awful decision, it was nice to see him own up to it and how much it affected him. This was 9 months prior to showing up in NY so I can’t wait to see what happens in that time. It was nice to show him that what Zelena said was true, Ariel didn’t give up on her prince and actually found him, and I’m sure he’s relieved that he didn’t cost them their happiness after all (though it was good for his redemption arc to have to live with that for so long), but I’m sad that the real Ariel wasn’t the one who heard his heartfelt confession and doesn’t realize how much of an impact she had on him.
LOVE that Killian was in the background of the mirror before Emma looked inside herself and gathered her strength to perform magic. Her magic is all about LOVE and shows her that love is strength, not weakness, as we’ve seen time and time again. Doesn’t hurt that they showed a TL couple before the mirror morphed into showing another TL couple! Loved seeing Ariel & Eric so happy but it makes me sad too – I feel like we won’t get to see them again (unless someone goes to rescue them and brings them back for whatever reason) so they might be done. That said, I’m hoping that someday, even if it’s an end of the series wedding or something, that ALL the characters we know and love are in attendance (and a Disney princess/Disney couple line-up wouldn’t be bad either!) Really wanted more Gil though and we didn’t even get to hear him speak! They were pretty cute on the beach though so yay for that.
Man this episode was full of heartache. It gives me hope in the long run but pain right now for sure! Loved the family dinner and that Regina has fully become a part of the group and was included, but hurt so much watching Killian look in from the outside after being welcomed in, ESPECIALLY by Emma. SO PAINFUL!
Sorry but his behavior isn’t really creepy. If she’s actually interested and like it or not, she is, she doesn’t see it that way for 99% of what he does. So glad she’s finally opening up to him and is tired of living in the past. She’s been doing that for over a decade! We saw that she was almost ready to consider it a bit after the last time she thought Neal “died” and she was fine a few days later. Even now she’s not remotely acting like any of the other people who have lost their TLs. She got way more closure this time around, and is trusting herself more and more thanks to Killian, but as sad as she is that they lost Neal, she’s not mourning someone she is currently IN love with. She’s mourning an old friend who is the father of her child and someone she was once in love with and that’s a big difference. Sorry to be so harsh but it’s always been set up that a part of her will always love him but that doesn’t have to mean IN love with and she’s not acting that way, nor has she ever. Otherwise she definitely wouldn’t be encouraging Killian whatsoever as she knows how he feels about her. And she wouldn’t be able to smile as much as she has been either. It’s not OOC, it’s showing that she has closure and is letting herself move forward, something you just can’t do if the person you were in love with JUST died. I’m sorry if that’s harsh but that’s what’s being shown again and again and again.
CS isn’t out of thin air, or fanservice, and it hasn’t somehow changed drastically this season. We’ve been calling it for ages and they’ve stayed true to their vision on the big things. They said back in S2 that they knew where they wanted to end up and yes, who Emma ends up with. The day-to-day stuff may change here and there, but I’m pretty sure they didn’t build up CS to say no, she goes back to Neal, then decide to kill him off to please the fans which, guess what, NOBODY IS HAPPY ABOUT. Do you think we want to constantly hear how it’s only happening so CS can happen? It’s beyond insulting. Plus if they really wanted to make the story way more tragic, or throw a huge wrench in CS and make it have to wait forever even if they wanted to stay true to them ending up together, they COULD have built up a huge SF reunion, making his sacrifice even MORE tragic than it was, and then Emma would be closed off a few more seasons and THEN maybe you could have said it was only because he died that they’re happening…but that’s not remotely what has been written from the start. I’m SORRY but it’s not.
Can’t wait for Emma to FULLY open up about her feelings with EVERYONE. She stood up for Killian a lot this episode but she hasn’t let anyone in on the details of just how much she cares yet. That will be tested the remainder of the season. We also need to get Henry’s memories back. BUT I have faith that all of that will happen and then we’ll see where CS is. I would love for Henry to eventually talk to Emma about it and just want her to be happy, especially now that he fully understands the entire situation (or rather will once he gets his memories back). You can’t replace the people you lost but that doesn’t mean refusing to live your life either. How can we root for OQ if everyone should be miserable and nobody should have more than 1 love in their life? It’s BEAUTIFUL that they give hope to those who have lost. They’re not moving on RIGHT after they lost the person they were going to spend forever with. Regina’s been dealing with it forever, Robin lost Marian awhile ago + curse time, Hook spent hundreds of years getting over Milah and Emma’s had over a decade to deal with Neal not being in her life/her happy ending not being with him. These relationships aren’t sudden when these characters have been without REAL LOVE for a LONG TIME.
Explanations help with closure and they will definitely help Emma moving forward, but it’s like with some fans and the show / A&E right now -the explanations don’t erase the pain and the level of trust and love can’t easily be restored, if ever. It’s just the way it is.
Really hoping that Emma will make it clear that she always wanted to return his feelings but was too afraid. I think she’s going to have to help prove to Killian that he is worthy of love, just like he’s been doing with her. It can’t be one-sided and so far, he’s been trying to meet her much closer than halfway. Her feelings have been there the whole time and we saw how much she wanted to trust him on the beanstalk, but they’ve definitely been growing more and more since the end of S2 and I can’t wait for her to come clean on that. I think finally getting inside her head will go a long way for everyone, especially her loved ones.
I don’t really expect the fans to ever see it as something that was there all along and to each their own, regardless of how frustrating it is. It hurts to hear how the show has changed things this season to give us what we want, but I’m glad that we love the story they’re telling and have been telling all along. I just wish they were able to talk about it more! Hoping after S3 they can outright say they not only wanted him in S1 but it was always with this idea of the daughter of Snow White & Prince Charming ending up with a pirate. They were introduced as kindred spirits and we kept hearing that over and over again. All the parallels to Snowing, fitting perfectly into the OUAT/FT universe, epic lines, connection the characters have actually admitted they shared, proven declarations of feelings, countless villains trying to break them up because they’re a force to be reckoned with together and love is strength, etc etc etc can’t be wrong. Besides, we had Star Wars and Princess Bride stuff from the beginning and we know how much A&E love those! They’ve been hinting at it for agessssss and we’re finally seeing that it definitely is NOT one-sided. Like they said, it’s going to take a hook of steel to crack Emma’s walls and he’s finally doing that!
So bring on the pain and the angst…we’ll get there eventually! After everything they’ve setup from 2×04 to now, I just don’t see any other explanation. We’re closer than ever so have a little faith!
*cookies*
PS – lost this post before dinner but was able to hit back to get to it thank goodness so no idea what may have been posted since then. Wish we had the preview function back!
Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.
Ok, Kat can I just say THANK YOU!!! I had a huge – and I mean huge – vent that I was debating about posting because I’m just so sick of the negativity lately but your post made me feel a lot better – and I’m not even done reading it!! 🙂
Despite obviously disagreeing with his choices and hoping he would choose a different path it wasn’t really OOC for Hook to do what he did. Hook has suffered a lot of losses in his life and he is not hopeful like the Charmings. I think this was further illustrated by the little CaptainCharming scene at the diner. Frankly, even the Charmings had apparently zero hope of seeing Emma again so I don’t think it is shocking that Hook wouldn’t have hope either. I think it would be pretty natural for Hook to seek solace in the one constant in his life (the ship) if he felt he would never see Emma again. I liked the double meaning of his words regarding the ship. I am not surprised that he was unwilling to give up the one thing he had left in order to help a relative stranger. I said it earlier that I don’t really consider Hook to be a hero (yet) and this was very clearly demonstrated.
You have so many good points… Hook has had 300 years of a loveless, friendless life – i doubt very much that he is an optimistic person, more of a realist. If the curse was that SB was undone and there was no way to un do it – I’m sure Hook took that as true. If Regina couldnt break the undoing of SB to be with Henry what luck did a ‘pirate’ have. And Hook knows his capabilities when it comes to pirating … but everything else he is on new ground and re-learning as he goes… not exactly a confidence builder and probably after 300 years of being Captain Hook being Killian Jones is not like riding a bike.
POM – I too was all for Captain Hook taking back his ship. I would not have traded the JR either for most of the points you have listed. He probably could have spared his life for the information – but i guess he has a lot going on in his head and probably felt trapped into a path. Because you are right… Hook needs his reputation. As far as he knows Emma’s gone forever and he is 2 skills that can earn him money. 1. join a navy – who the heck is going to hire Captian Hook to sail a royal ship? 2. pirate captain. He knows both and really only 1 is possible. Its not like Hook can all of a sudden learn a trade and start weaving baskets…
So he has no family, no friends, no love, no ship, no choices and no clear idea of who he is anymore. He’s in limbo and having an identity crises. this leaves him only his reputation to use to keep surviving – which he all know that he does well… he is not going to just roll over and die. Plus as you said – a fearsome name is going to gain you the ship’s treasure without blood shed on either side. And to all of a sudden have the opportunity to regain one of those items – the ship where he has had so many miles stones, and has been his only constant and not to mention his home for 250 years or so – he is going to jump on it. I’m sure any little thoughts of what was right were getting fiercely repressed while he did what he thought he ‘needed’ to do – he ‘needed’ his ship. In his mind its almost where he has linked the JR and Emma – his homes.
I agree that while i was all on board for him to have returned to the EF in the same state of mind that he was in SB it would be unreasonable to think that Hook wouldnt have an emotional and mental struggle and go through some set backs. so I guess A&E know better than me, because 3×17 does make more sense this way. But it BROKE MY HEART seeing the anguish he was in through out the episode. and to watch him dig himself deeper and deeper and covering his ass with more and more lies was so hard to watch. And of course the moment he pulls back from Emma she is all about him. Too bad he wasnt just ‘playing’ hard to get.
on a side note – I loved Regina this episode. I loved her talking about hook and Henry and why a 12 year old would of course like him. And especially the diner scene where they looked like a family for real. and how she is the only one to call Emma out on Hook.
I do hope he finds Charming right away and comes clean about it all.
Hey … maybe A&E are waiting for Hook to finally realize he is not just a pirate and he can be more and then maybe then… we can get a real and lasting wardrobe change. yeah! Love the leather, but its time. he can keep the guy liner though – works for him.
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