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@jenven – loved your post too! And I wasn’t really thrilled about Hook’s choosing the JR until you all pointed out why he made that decision – and now I must agree! 🙂 I needed some good CS feels after coming to the forum at lunchtime and getting a seriously sour eyeful.
I think after everything Hook went through in this episode he’s going to tell Emma very soon. I completely understand why he didn’t say anything to her by the end of the episode — Hi, he’s going to drop the “L” bomb on Emma…in front of her parents, co-Momma…and the kid?? Riiiight. That’s plausible.
[adrotate group="5"]I think after everything Hook went through in this episode he’s going to tell Emma very soon. I completely understand why he didn’t say anything to her by the end of the episode — Hi, he’s going to drop the “L” bomb on Emma…in front of her parents, co-Momma…and the kid?? Riiiight. That’s plausible.
I hope. Colin does a great job… i have never been invested in a character before… ever. I felt sad going to bed – which i guess is sad for me -lol. He really makes you feel Hook self loathing, angst, guilt, sadness, longing… etc. geez we do get a lot of feels from that man.
I hope he goes to Charming and tells him everything. Charming tells him why would you do that… gets a little loud and Hook snaps that he had nothing left. That’s when Charming says you have us ( snowing ) and Hook tells him that he knows that they just tolerate him and think of him of as just a pirate. Then Charming can tell him – ‘ not any more. ‘ so that is my hope for our poor pirate. then they can hatch a plan to get ride of that kiss curse. lol – did she put an aphrodisiac in it? lol – now that he pulled away the poor thing will probably have to beat Emma off. lol
I hope. Colin does a great job… i have never been invested in a character before… ever. I felt sad going to bed – which i guess is sad for me -lol. He really makes you feel Hook self loathing, angst, guilt, sadness, longing… etc. geez we do get a lot of feels from that man. I hope he goes to Charming and tells him everything. Charming tells him why would you do that… gets a little loud and Hook snaps that he had nothing left. That’s when Charming says you have us ( snowing ) and Hook tells him that he knows that they just tolerate him and think of him of as just a pirate. Then Charming can tell him – ‘ not any more. ‘ so that is my hope for our poor pirate. then they can hatch a plan to get ride of that kiss curse. lol – did she put an aphrodisiac in it? lol – now that he pulled away the poor thing will probably have to beat Emma off. lol
Colin does incite the feels! hahaha – I know what you mean, though. I’ve had my ships, and I even have my backup ships for OUAT because A&E are evil, but I have never been ridiculously invested with one particular character/ship.
I would love for a scenario you described to occur. Honestly, I was shocked when Emma told Hook she’s sick of living in the past at the end of yesterday’s episode. That is huge growth for her. They could go the old ‘regression’ route, but I don’t think they will with Emma/Hook/CS. We’ve seen Emma regress already. If she didn’t regress when Neal died, I don’t think she’s going to. And we’ve clearly seen what Hook’s attempt at regression did to him. So I think these two characters have no where to go BUT forward. Does that mean the fall into each other’s arms? Not necessarily. But I don’t think we’re going to have to deal with yet another Emma’s-walls-go-up, here-we-go-again storyline.
Moving forward and leaving the past in the past seems to be developing as a major theme for all characters this half of the season – Regina/OQ, Snowing/new baby, even Henry/growing up are all plot points, in addition to Emma and Hook’s character growth. This half of the season, for me, has been much better than 3A because it’s finally found a nice blend of action and character development.
I don’t think anyone has posted these recaps yet: http://screwballninja.tumblr.com/post/82699664946/why-i-was-floored-by-the-jolly-roger-this-was http://www.tv.com/shows/once-upon-a-time-2011/community/post/once-upon-a-time-season-3-episode-17-the-jolly-roger-review-139714389701/ I’d say overall they were pretty positive reviews coming from two non CS shippers. It was a fun episode overall, regardless of what you ship. This made me laugh outloud today
too funny
Loved the rum cake to us CS Shippers. sorry can’t figure out how to copy and paste on my phone from tumblr to here
Personally, I am kind of excited to see what they do with the situation. We have been talking about how Killian has self-loathing issues for ages now but I feel like this was the episode that made it abundantly clear to everyone. It’s interesting to me that the recent debate has been around how long Emma can continue to hold Killian at arm’s length and/or is she being mean to him when she deals with him from behind her walls, and now we suddenly have a situation where Emma’s walls seem to be GONE as far as Killian is concerned but now Killy is going to have issues. I think it is going to be great!!!
I really, really think that Emma is going to realize how just how much Killian has believed in her and loved her despite her flaws and the walls she put up when she finds out how ashamed he was of what happened during the missing year. Because I truly feel that Emma has finally accepted that she loves him. And I think that just like Killian has loved and accepted Emma regardless of the things she has done or the way she had treated him at times, she is going to love him no matter what happened – I think he has proven himself enough to her that she is going to understand WHY he made the choices he did, and she’s going to love him anyway – and that is going to blow him away!!!
I really think that is what CS needs. Killian is completely out of his element. He knows he used to be a good person hundreds of years ago and he desparately wants to be that person again but he needs someone to tell him that they believe in him. In the EF Ariel verbalized to him exactly what he is terrified of “you’re selfish and you’re heartless and that is what will bring you wasted years and endless torment. You’ll never be happy.” So far Emma has not been in an emotional place where she has been able to see what Killian needs and give him what he needs. Now she is. The tables are turned now. I think that Killian was successful in building up Emma and convincing her that she is strong, powerful, and loved. And now that she is able to let go of the past, I think that she is finally going to actually LOOK at Killian and SEE him. I think she will see HIS pain and his lack of confidence and I think she will recognize that SHE is the person that has to build him up.
I don’t see how anyone could think that CS has been sudden or fast. Everything is happening at a very well developed pace. CS has been happening since they first met in “The Doctor” pretty much every single interaction between them has been seen on screen so if someone thinks it’s too fast they should rewatch the episodes & catch up lol. This part of their story is gonna be like Snowing’s in season one they’re going to have opstacle after opstacle moments where we think they’ll finally find a moment together & have something come up & break them apart. There’s bumpy seas ahead but once we get through it the destination will be worth it 🙂
I supported Hook’s decision of choosing his ship over Eric for the reasons that:
1. Blackbeard may not have told them the truth about where Eric was but would’ve still had the Jolly Roger and would’ve damaged Hook’s reputation beyond repair. Reputation is everything in pirate circles.
2. If Blackbeard had told the truth, how would Hook and Ariel have got to the deserted island without the ship? If Ariel decided to go alone, what would Hook have done? His pirate reputation was already in question and would’ve been destroyed and Hook would be in a worse state than he started off with.
3. Ariel found Eric on her own any way. It may have took her a little longer but she still found him.
4. If Ariel and Eric were living happily ever after on their little island, then Eric wasn’t in danger of dying of starvation.
5. Hook’s pirate reputation is important as it actually saves lives whilst he’s pirating. A ship is more likely to hand over its treasure without a fight to a “feared” pirate than to one who is known as a bit soft.
Hook should definitely tell Emma about the kiss curse because, even if he did kiss her and removed her magic in order to save her family, Zelena will just go after them any way. There’s a reason why Zelena wants Emma’s magic removed so it’s important that Emma keeps it.
I really can’t support Hook picking his ship over saving Eric. One reason is because Hook can’t even support it. It’s one thing to kill Blackbeard that gets him his reputation but to just leave Ariel to it and not offer any help is another. He could have told her that he would still help her find Eric but he let his pride get to him. He let his pain lead him to make the wrong decision and it cost him and could cost him later. This decision could end up being like gum on his boot and might follow him around for a while. Emma might find out about it and react badly. What he did gave Zelena the chance to use his love for Emma against him. Also not coming clean about what happened in the EF right away further compounded the problem. He should have said what happened right away faced the consequences and tried to make amends then. I think he can still make make up for it but what he did there was Bad Form.
Personally, I am kind of excited to see what they do with the situation. We have been talking about how Killian has self-loathing issues for ages now but I feel like this was the episode that made it abundantly clear to everyone. It’s interesting to me that the recent debate has been around how long Emma can continue to hold Killian at arm’s length and/or is she being mean to him when she deals with him from behind her walls, and now we suddenly have a situation where Emma’s walls seem to be GONE as far as Killian is concerned but now Killy is going to have issues. I think it is going to be great!!! I really, really think that Emma is going to realize how just how much Killian has believed in her and loved her despite her flaws and the walls she put up when she finds out how ashamed he was of what happened during the missing year. Because I truly feel that Emma has finally accepted that she loves him. And I think that just like Killian has loved and accepted Emma regardless of the things she has done or the way she had treated him at times, she is going to love him no matter what happened – I think he has proven himself enough to her that she is going to understand WHY he made the choices he did, and she’s going to love him anyway – and that is going to blow him away!!! I really think that is what CS needs. Killian is completely out of his element. He knows he used to be a good person hundreds of years ago and he desparately wants to be that person again but he needs someone to tell him that they believe in him. In the EF Ariel verbalized to him exactly what he is terrified of “you’re selfish and you’re heartless and that is what will bring you wasted years and endless torment. You’ll never be happy.” So far Emma has not been in an emotional place where she has been able to see what Killian needs and give him what he needs. Now she is. The tables are turned now. I think that Killian was successful in building up Emma and convincing her that she is strong, powerful, and loved. And now that she is able to let go of the past, I think that she is finally going to actually LOOK at Killian and SEE him. I think she will see HIS pain and his lack of confidence and I think she will recognize that SHE is the person that has to build him up.
yes yes. agreed
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I actually think it seemed out of character for Hook NOT to agree to give up his ship based upon the character growth we had already seen – but I think that was the whole point of the episode. If, say, they hadn’t been cursed back to the EF there is no way Hook would have chosen his ship over helping Ariel. But Hook even made the comment that he hadn’t been himself since he got back. He was lost – lost without Emma. When he was with Emma, Henry, Snowing, Regina, and even Rumple now he knew the person he wanted to be but once he got back to the EF and left his “family” he lost sight of why he wanted to be a man of honor even though that was who he had started to become and he was really kind of between worlds. I think it was just more out of habit that he tried to go back to being a pirate -thinking it would be the way to fill the void in his life where Emma had been.
I don’t think he ever really WANTED to do any of the pirate things he was doing – I think he was hoping that the longer he did them, he would eventually come to enjoy them again. He kept trying to force himself back into pirate persona – except with the wench, that would mean having to actually choose that lifestyle over EMMA which he would never do. He kept trying and trying until Ariel called him on it and he realized that by trying to go back to living as a pirate he was giving up finding a way to get back to Emma. That’s where the continuing self-loathing comes in. He should give himself a break but he won’t because he has had too much character growth already – he had already decided he was going to be an honorable man and knowing he made the decision to do something dishonorable pains him deeply. So the actions are not out of character for a pirate but they are out of character for Killian because he had already started to move away from being a pirate.
I think it’s interesting that we are shown that Ariel and Eric have been reunited and that Emma is aware of this. To Hook that fact won’t matter because he will be focused on what he SHOULD have done. But I think that both Ariel and Emma would focus on the fact that Ariel and Eric got their Happy Ending – it didn’t matter that he didn’t take Blackbeard’s offer. And even though Emma has told him that what he did during the missing year didn’t matter – it will to Killian because he won’t like not being able to tell her the truth. It will all come out just like it did with Snowing.
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