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I have mixed feelings about Jolly Roger. I wanted Hook to have one person/Disney Princess believe in him and see the good in him. Someone who will stick up for him when the other princess bag on him. Emma is attracted to Hook but she doesn’t really take his side or try to see the good in him. I think there has been a miniscule change in that, but she keeps him at arms length. She always seems surprised that he does something good. Everyone has these low expectations of him but refuse to give him much credit for any good he does. I would get tired of everyone if they never gave me a chance no matter what I did. In order for him to be seen as good, he basically needs to be a saint to convince anyone and that isn’t realistic. Snow and Emma were totally prepared to fight Mulan to keep the compass and let Aurora die, just to get home to Henry. Hook is expected to give up his ship/home for a bratty stranger who clocked him in the head, held a knife at him and acted like a toddler about the cloak. I love Ariel but she is like a little kid who is oblivious to the needs of others in a somewhat good hearted way.
some really good points sweetgrass and I agree, Ariel was a little one sided but I guess desperation is a contagious issue on that show.
[adrotate group="5"]I had to laugh – I actually loved the dice scene. Not a fan of cheating at anything and it’s not that I want Henry to do anything “bad” but look at his family tree. Loaded dice are NOT the end of the world when both his birth parents were thieves, his adoptive mother was the Evil Queen, his grandmother was a bandit, his grandfather on the other side is the Dark One. Killian playing dice games for french fries and laughing and having fun?
lol – so true
About chat, I don’t venture there, or chat anywhere anymore because I tend to be non-eggshell tip-toeing and would most likely be banned within five sentences (grin). The mods from what I have seen of the chat go flitting by the page practice a very even handed approach even though they must want to pull their hair out daily
I’ve only ever seen one person banned but from what I saw… well I’ll just say there’s a difference between standing up for yourself and actively looking to start a fight. Our mods are smart they understand if there’s something said negatively about a ship it’s not far fetched to think someone will disagree with it. As long as debates stay on point & people can let stuff go it’s never really a problem. There’s enough stuff on the show, from the actors and from Adam to stand up for Hook & CS without going nuts.
Its not so much what you are playing, but who you are playing with that is important. I remember feeling so special as a child on the yacht while sailing around great barrier, when the adults allowed me to join in their game of cards one night
Yes, I have similar memories… its the company not the game.
As my hubby points out, that was Killian being a “dad” hanging out with Henry and passing down a traditional thing guys do together. The kid has never had a man in his life – even when he did know Neal he knew him for all of about 6 hot seconds. Trust me, as a woman there are PLENTY of times I freak out about stuff my son says or does but men will stop me and tell me I HAVE to let it go because it is a guy thing and I DON’T understand. And I’m talking about pastors at my church telling me that I need to let him be a guy.
I get the same thing from my husband and two of my brother in laws… that they are boys. The things they do though…. lol. I just dont get it. So I will have to agree that it must be a male thing.
Cheating at dice and driving are useful skills and all, but I’d like to know who you all think Henry would go to for advice on girls, David or Killian? I personally can’t decide between the two.
I would think Henry would go to Hook. Except for the driving lessons Henry thinks the Charmings are boring. Plus I’m sure Henry can see that Hook and his mom practically live in the same physical 4 foot square… they share the same breath. if anyone can get his mom doing stuff like that MUST have some charm and way with the ladies. on a sidenote I would love Henry to ask his mom if Killian is the reason she turned Walsh down. Henry is pretty observant and I’m sure he can see the way the two of them are around each other. Killian shows up and Walsh got the boot.
Killian for a gazillion different reasons. Not that I don’t think Charming would give good advice but going to Grandpa for girl advice just seems strange and I think Charming would end up having difficulty figuring out more modern dating practices. As for Killy, he’s becoming Henry’s father figure but he’s not his actual father so that is a comfortable person to go to. Trust me, I’m a stepmom – I always get the girl questions. Plus he isn’t too squeaky clean – he comes from a time when men where gentleman and courted a lady but he was still a pirate so he knows what’s what and Henry can be honest with him without getting preached at. Plus Killian has an incredible depth of unwavering faithfulness when it comes to the women he loves so I think he would give really GOOD advice, he’s not going to tell him to screw around (not that Charming would either). He’s been hurt a lot so he can relate when a girl breaks Henry’s heart and help him through that. Plus he can teach Henry to smoulder.
a lot of great points…. my favorite – the smolder. 🙂
so I was thinking that Emma really needs to tell Henry what’s what. I just realized that Walsh is in town. What is keeping him ( Walsh – not Monkey Man ) from going up to Henry saying that he followed Emma because he loves her and cannot let her go. That he wants Henry to help him get flowers and pick a romantic restaurant etc … then Henry knap him!
I think whether or not Henry goes to Hook for advice on girls depends on which Henry we’re talking about. If it was memory-less Henry he’d definitely go to Hook for advice because Hook is the cool older new friend in Henry’s eyes. However, if it was old Henry or even restored memory Henry, I think he’d be a bit reluctant to go to Hook because Henry would have to deal with Neal’s death and he may feel like Hook is trying to take his dad’s place in his life. Old Henry wanted his parents back together before GOAT and Neverland blew things apart. Also I think if Hook tried to talk to old/memory-restored Henry about girls, Henry would be all “I don’t want your advice, you’re not my dad” towards Hook. Neal could do no wrong in old Henry’s eyes so I could see him feeling very conflicted on allowing Hook into his life in a fatherly role because he may feel like he’s betraying Neal by allowing someone else to be his dad.
I actually want Henry to be that way towards Hook because it would be the perfect opportunity for Hook to show Emma and everyone that he is truly in it “for the long haul”. He’s not going to disappear just because things get difficult and Henry doesn’t want to play happy families anymore. It would also provide some deep Henry/Hook bonding as Hook helps Henry realise that he isn’t betraying Neal by allowing someone else to be a father-figure to him. At the minute the Henry/Hook bonding time, whilst cute, is on a superficial level in that Henry thinks Hook is cool. If Hook is really serious about being part of Henry’s life as a step-dad, he needs to realise it’s not all about boat trips and loaded dice. Hook needs to experience the hard stuff as well as the fun stuff.
Also Henry is at a disadvantage when it comes to dating girls for the reason that he is related to Rumple and Regina. Everyone knew him as the “mayor’s kid” during cursed Storybrooke. Whilst his relation to Rumple might not be as well known as his relation to Regina, not a lot of parents are going to want their daughters hanging out with the son of the evil-queen or the grandson of the Dark One. Gretel and Grace’s fathers have both been screwed over by Regina so I don’t see them being happy about having their daughters with Henry. I could see Gretel outright rejecting Henry because of what Regina did to her and her family in the EF.
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixYou have to listen to this song!! I have no idea how to embed songs and my ipad doesn’t let me link but it’s called: Redeemed by Big Daddy Weave I used to think of it as Rumple’s song but after this last episode I swear it could be Killian’s theme song! It even talks about how he has a new name and is going home. Gah!! It’s amazing! I can’t listen to it without thinking of Killian now. I listened to it on repeat all the way home from taking my son to school. Please listen to it. And if anyone is talented with videos – make a CS video to it!! Best part of the song: “Because I don’t have to be the old man inside of me, ’cause his day is long dead and gone. Because I’ve got a new name, a new life, I’m not the same. And a HOPE that will carry me HOME. I am redeemed, you set me free.”
Oh gosh it really is!
UGH! Wish I had brought sony or adobe MM now! I can just ‘see’ all the clips you’d use & where! UGH! Someone really needs to make a CS fanvid to it-it almost makes itself with this song!
Thanks for sharing 🙂
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