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The Captain Swan thread!

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  • April 16, 2014 at 10:32 pm #261981
    obisgirl
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    It looks like this kid is probably going to end up with 2 “father figures” in his life – both Killian and Robin. Not to mention one of his grandfathers is actually the same age as both the other men. He’s got potential father figures all over the place!

    That’s really awesome when you think about it.  I imagine Killian would be the very cool step-dad, and Robin would be more closer to morals and doing the right thing and then you have Prince Charming and Rumpelstiltskin as the grandfathers. That’s a very interesting dynamic right there.

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    April 16, 2014 at 10:50 pm #261991
    surayya
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    rumplegoldfan wrote:

    You have to listen to this song!! I have no idea how to embed songs and my ipad doesn’t let me link but it’s called: Redeemed by Big Daddy Weave I used to think of it as Rumple’s song but after this last episode I swear it could be Killian’s theme song! It even talks about how he has a new name and is going home. Gah!! It’s amazing! I can’t listen to it without thinking of Killian now. I listened to it on repeat all the way home from taking my son to school. Please listen to it. And if anyone is talented with videos – make a CS video to it!! Best part of the song: “Because I don’t have to be the old man inside of me, ’cause his day is long dead and gone. Because I’ve got a new name, a new life, I’m not the same. And a HOPE that will carry me HOME. I am redeemed, you set me free.”

    Very emotional! Speaking of songs, I came across this little gem yesterday, it’s cute and I thought quite apt.

    What a neat little song & fitting for too 🙂

    April 16, 2014 at 11:01 pm #261995
    surayya
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    Oh, yeah! I totally forgot that Henry also has Robin Hood to go to for girl advice as well. Unfortunately for Henry any girl he EVER brings home is going to be thinking NOTHING but “All the men in your family are HOT!!” Like seriously, can you even imagine? ”Alice I would like you to meet my step fathers Killian and Robin, and my grandfathers Charming and Rumple.” *Alice wipes the drool from her chin*

    Lol- I know right 😉 The kid is going to have Prince/King/Shepard, Imp/sorcerer/spinster, Pirate Captain/Navy lieutenant, Rebel/Prince of thieves as role models-  He’ll probably be very popular with the ladies, as many of them will want to hang out just for the eye candy that is the male side of his family lol :p 😉

    April 16, 2014 at 11:23 pm #261999
    surayya
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    @POM – I see where you’re coming from…but the big thing with Captain Cobra is that Hook and Henry are bonding because of Neal, and not because of Emma. This concept is integral to the intertwining relationships between the three. Because there is so much more going on than just ‘you’re not my father’ or ‘you’re in love with my mother,’ I think though those reactions might be typical for an average 12 year old, Henry is anything but your average 12 year old. Hook is not taking Henry as a favor to Emma, he’s doing it because it helps Hook come to terms with Bae, and it allows Henry to learn about Neal as a kid. Henry was pretty go-with-the-flow with Hook until Hook explained that Neal lost his father when he was Henry’s age. Neal is central to Hook and Henry’s relationship, not Emma. And Henry is extremely perceptive. He knows something’s going on. Hook acknowledged that, while explaining to Henry that his mother feels it’s for the best right now – Hook managed to support Emma’s wishes while not lying to Henry. Their bond over Neal, and the fact that Hook acknowledges that Henry knows more, memoryless, than anyone else gives him credit for, is why they are bonding so quickly. I think when Henry learns the truth, he’s going to rebel against Emma. Because his relationship with Hook has very little to do with Emma, I don’t think Henry is going to look at Hook in a ‘you’re not my father’ kind of way. Because isn’t trying to be his father. He isn’t trying to take on a paternal role. He needs Henry as much as Henry will need him when Henry learns the truth – and very likely feels betrayed by his mother. Emma, too, realizes Hook and Henry’s relationship has very little to do with her. And she supports this. Because Hook can do one thing no one else – not Emma, or even Rumple can – tell Henry about his father when Neal was Henry’s age. Tell Henry about Neal’s struggles at that age. Emma, too, knows that Hook is not going to try to replace Neal – in either Henry nor Emma’s lives – because for all three of them, Neal is irreplaceable. So when Henry does learn, and does rebel against her, I think she’s going to lean on Hook to be there for Henry because Henry doesn’t feel he can trust Emma. Completing the circle, I think Hook is going to be essential in helping mother and son re-establish their relationship after what really, is the biggest lie/betrayal they have had to face in their relationship.

    I agree with most of your points here Jenna_B- I dont however think Henry will rebel ‘big time’ when he learns the truth- only because A&E had this to say when someone asked how Henry would react when he got his memories back ‘Henry is very perceptive & he will understand why she (Emma) lied to him’. Then they added ‘but he might not get his memories back’ in typical A&E fashion :p

    I’m actually wondering if Henry spits the tack over the lies & weird behavior BEFORE he gets his memories back- like he just gets to the point he’s had enough of being lied to when he see’s how stressed everyone is around him & just wants the truth about whats going on, Emma wont tell him & he feels betrayed by her lack of faith & trust in him, as he thinks, she thinks he cant handle it or something & thats when Emma is faced with Henry storming out on her & off to Hook, whom Henry’s come to think so highly of, largely in part because Hook treats him with respect, in the sense he acknowledges Henry’s thoughts, feelings & opinions, along with his knowing more than people think he does & because Hook listens & doesnt simply fob him off as ‘just’ a kid, so you dont need to know type of attitude- Hook also takes the time to explain the whys & hows. ie. I understand you know Emma isnt telling you everything, but perhaps she isnt telling you because she feels you are safer not knowing & when she feels its safe to tell you, she will (or however that conversation went).

    Also agree Henry isnt a ‘normal’/’typical’ teen- at least not when he gets his memories back- he’ll have his whole life (short of his 1yr in NY) of SB life experience- including the 1yr of full on FT & magical experiences, along with what went down in NL.

    April 16, 2014 at 11:31 pm #262009
    jenven
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    I agree… i don’t think Henry will have the whole ‘ your not my dad attitude. ‘  hook has not tried to be neal and as such the fun stuff is what’s left.   aAs POM said that Hook should gave to deal with the hard stuff too… i get that… If he was Henry ‘ step dad he would have to step up and help with all paternal responsibilities.   but right now Hook is just the cool family friend who is fun and informative and supportive.  RRight now Hook has no right to deal with the ‘hard stuff’ he has no right to parent Henry… yet.  I think Rumple gold fan has a good point… i never talked to my mom about boys  it just wasn’t comfortable but I could and do still talk to my aunt.  I think for the same reasons.  she is a mom just not mine.  I could get maternal advice without the awkwardness if seeing her everyday.

     

    April 16, 2014 at 11:55 pm #262011
    surayya
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    I honestly don’t think it has anything to do with Killian trying to be Henry’s father and I don’t think Henry will see it that way either. I’m a stepmom and my stepson was 13 when I married my husband – so somewhat close to Henry’s age. He has always come to ME for girl advice, advice on how to dress, etc. but it has nothing to do with trying to be his mom – it’s actually the opposite. In the case when a step-parent arrives during the pre-teen or teenage years the relationship you have with your stepchild is VERY different than it is if they were a toddler or young child. I have always been more of a close friend who is also a family member to my stepson as opposed to a parent even though I consider him to be my son – if that makes sense? He has a mom so he doesn’t need another one but he is often more comfortable coming to me about personal issues BECAUSE I’m a parental figure but not his actual parent. I have LOTS of friends who are parents of blended families and I have never come across ANYONE who has had a child use the “you’re not my mom or dad” thing. It is typically the ex-husband or ex-wife that has the problem with the new spouse thinking they are TRYING to replace them as the parent when, honestly, they are just being another adult in their life. I do have a few friends whose spouses have passed away and who have remarried. They have actually had the easiest time blending their families because there isn’t a jealous ex who could potentially cause a problem and the biological parent can be honored by everyone. Plus the kids don’t have to worry about hurting their biological parent if they seem to like their stepparent too much. It’s okay to accept the new spouse as their parent if they want to. But again – it typically depends on the age of the child. I don’t really see Henry having a problem with Killian though. I don’t recall him ever saying that he wanted Emma and Neal to get back together (but I could be wrong) and he only knew Neal for about 6 seconds so it’s not like he had formed a life long parental bond with him. It looks like this kid is probably going to end up with 2 “father figures” in his life – both Killian and Robin. Not to mention one of his grandfathers is actually the same age as both the other men. He’s got potential father figures all over the place!

    Agreed- My mother’s current partner came into our lives when I was 10 or 11- I never saw him as my ‘real father’ as such, but I do love him as the older male father figure in my life & consider him my step father. It’s funny how you say you are, but you arent his mother at the same time, because that is EXACTLY how it is- I’m the oldest of my siblings, so myself & my oldest brother whom’s 1 & 1/2yrs younger than I, have a different, more like friend who happens to be a parental figure relationship with our mothers partner, but our younger siblings see him more as their actual father, father, as they were all under 6 & 4yrs, & my youngest brother was born 8yrs later- so we are now 3 sets of step siblings, yet none of us considered the others step anything lol.

    When I see the captain cobra scenes- I want to describe it as Henry interacting with Hook in the same way he would a ‘cool’, much respected older brother/cousin/relation type thing, but with-in the context of he’s a friend/possible boy friend of my mother’s kind of way (Henry has to have picked up on the way Hook & Emma interact with each other- everyone else has & the kid isnt stupid, so I’m sure he knows Emma ‘likes’ him & that Killian ‘likes’ his mom). Its hard to explain to people who dont have the benefit of being in blended families & experiencing the complexity of the similar, yet different relationships that are built with in it.

    April 17, 2014 at 1:00 am #262012
    surayya
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    loving the fan art!

    https://www.tumblr.com/scifitvaddict/82875921820/you-once-asked-me-to-take-a-leap-of-faith-now-im

    April 17, 2014 at 1:11 am #262014
    surayya
    Participant

    Two steps forward one step back –

    April 17, 2014 at 1:12 am #262015
    surayya
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    April 17, 2014 at 1:17 am #262016
    surayya
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    LOL

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