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@surayya “Oh, Oh,Oh- Just had another thought- JR is made from enchanted wood right?! Well what if Killy sacrificed the JR to have a portal made from it in which he could get to Emma?”
I had that thought too. But I’ve been thinking he may have burnt his ship to get the ashes to use in Lake Nostos a la the way Emma and MM got home in season 2.
I have a couple small problemettes with Hook casting the curse. 1 – why wouldn’t he just told the others that what he did, unless they all agreed from some reason to keep it a secret. 2 – I don’t think the JR is good enough for a sacrifice and who else does he have that he loves, apart from Emma. And Rumple had always said it had to the be thing/person you love most. And after the event with Ariel and Eric he may have lost his love for the JR a little bit. 3 – if Hook was part of the curse, his wardrobe would have updated. Surely! Even when Regina cast the curse her wardrobe modernised. And She told Hook (when he was going to look for a green-skinned lady) that she would look the same as everyone else in SB. Hook in pirate garb does not look the same as anyone else.
But I do like the idea of all of them getting together a deciding a curse was the best way to get back to Emma – not sure who cast it though. And since memry loss is ‘just what the curse does’ they weren’t sure of the consquences, so they made sure somone went on ahead to give Emma the message.
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Yes, I wondered the same thing as well, as that would also work.
<2 – I don’t think the JR is good enough for a sacrifice and who else does he have that he loves, apart from Emma. And Rumple had always said it had to the be thing/person you love most. And after the event with Ariel and Eric he may have lost his love for the JR a little bit. 3 – if Hook was part of the curse, his wardrobe would have updated. Surely! Even when Regina cast the curse her wardrobe modernised. And She told Hook (when he was going to look for a green-skinned lady) that she would look the same as everyone else in SB. Hook in pirate garb does not look the same as anyone else.
With your #2 point- I agree, it’s a niggle- as that’d have to mean Killy loved his ship “more” than Emma & that doesnt fly with me, because if that was the case, how did he then come to feel Emma was his TL… unless the sacrifice failed & hence he had to use the ashes as a portal then? Hmmm Beside if it was objects that could be used, why wouldnt have Rumple cast the curse using Baes shawl/wrap thingy, instead of going about grooming Regina to be a twisted psycho in order to get her to cast it.
#3 Very good point & I think the one that probably precludes him from being the actual castor tbh.
I can’t get the quote button to work…
surayya – “Hmmm Beside if it was objects that could be used, why wouldnt have Rumple cast the curse using Baes shawl/wrap thingy, instead of going about grooming Regina to be a twisted psycho in order to get her to cast it.”
Exactly. I remember Rumple saying it couldn’t be just like a favourite horse either. The curse specifically requests a heart, doesn’t it? So unless the JR is truly ‘more than just a ship’ and she has more than a metaphorical heart, I don’t think it would work in that way. But who knows. Anything seems to be possible 😉
If one is to engage with the primordial forces of darkness, one must expect a little social awkwardness
I don’t necessarily think this curse is exactly the same as the one Regina cast the first time – that was the “Dark Curse” and it was made to destroy everyone’s happy ending but to give Regina her own Happy Ending. For that reason she had to sacrifice the heart of the thing she loved most.
This time around I think they just figured out the only way to get back to Emma was to curse everyone again by sending them back to SB just like before but missing only their memories of the past year – that isn’t the Dark Curse. In that case I don’t see why you would need an actual human heart to cast the curse but if you had to sacrifice the THING you loved most Hook would be perfect because of the Jolly Roger. Maybe it’s just some kind of major sacrifice that is required.
As far as Zelena remembering the only thing I can come up with is that since she is so powerful the curse doesn’t affect her or since she wasn’t affected by the original curse she isn’t affected by this one either.
I am not sure why Hook wouldn’t tell everyone what is going on but there has to be something else that went down during the missing year that Hook doesn’t want Emma to know about. I am having difficulty believing that it is just guilt over the thing with Ariel and our theory that he in some way sacrificed the JR for her that is making him want to keep it from her.
My theories are typically wrong and I expect this one will probably be too!
Jane strikes again..about True Love’s kiss and memory loss
@flamingjets Snow and Charming had a kiss failure in similar circumstances, too.
— Jane Espenson (@JaneEspenson) April 23, 2014
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@natalieireneann not at all. If one has lost memory of other, for example.
— Jane Espenson (@JaneEspenson) December 16, 2013
huh- the quote button really isnt working is it!
This time around I think they just figured out the only way to get back to Emma was to curse everyone again by sending them back to SB just like before but missing only their memories of the past year – that isn’t the Dark Curse. In that case I don’t see why you would need an actual human heart to cast the curse but if you had to sacrifice the THING you loved most Hook would be perfect because of the Jolly Roger. Maybe it’s just some kind of major sacrifice that is required.
I understand what you are saying (&I personally like the idea), but that just brings us back to the point of Rumple would have simply cast ‘this’ curse if it was that simple- as he himself would remember & be able to leave town, without having to rely on Regina (whom lets face it, wasnt exactly reliable- Rumple had to keep prompting her every step of the way to get her to cast it & then to get her to ‘not’ destroy his plans once Emma showed, if he didnt have to take that risk, I seriously dont think he would have- it’s not like him to add an unstable variable to his supposedly well laid plans just for a giggle 😉 ). I remember Rumple having some dialog (I think last season) to the effect of ‘the curse was the only way he had left to come to ‘our’ world/LWM & he couldnt cast it himself, as the ‘thing’ he loved most was already here(Baelfire)’ & thats why he had to get Regina to cast it- the price of casting a ‘transportation’ curse to a ‘land without magic’ was too high.
At this point I think the memories & who comes along is entirely up to the caster (based on the rules/ in show dialog we already have. Ie Regina choosing who comes & doesnt, the fact Rumple was able to remember everything once he heard Emma’s name, the fact Regina was surprised at how meek Snow was, but not surprised she didnt seem to know her), Time being at a stand still & the town hidden.
I agree that curse 2.0 isnt exactly the same as curse 1.0, but I think that has more to do with the fact that the things required to make the curse impossible for Regina to resist casting it in the 1st place, have been excluded- so no one lives miserable lives/they remember who they are (since that isnt required as incentive for Regina), time doesnt stand still (again for Regina’s benefit in seeking her revenge) etc. but they still dont remember what happened for the yr they were in EF, so logically the ‘missing time’ element has to be up to the castor & why would Snowing cast a curse & choose to not remember the missing yr?- seems a very convoluted way to get back to SB with someone whom wants to do something nasty to your unborn child in tow IMO :/
Ugh, I wish we had more info, then wouldnt be all speculation on whats happened *sigh* Should only be 1 more day & we’ll have some sneak peek/s to gather info from (I hope!) 😉 But either way we are pretty much certain that Killy plays a pivotal part in getting to our land again (Yes it is simple speculation on our/CS’ers part, but I doubt we’ll wrong or far off the mark here this time), it’s just the finer details of this area which are a hard to work out (the how, since we all know the why & when) :/
rumplegoldfan – “…but if you had to sacrifice the THING you loved most Hook would be perfect because of the Jolly Roger. Maybe it’s just some kind of major sacrifice that is required.”
I’m totally with you with Hook sacrificing the JR. That’s a pretty good reason to why it’s not in SB and why he’s not wanting to talk about it. I’m sure his crew wouldn’t be very happy he sacrificed what is essentially their home as well.
surayya – “At this point I think the memories & who comes along is entirely up to the caster (based on the rules/ in show dialog we already have. Ie Regina choosing who comes & doesnt, the fact Rumple was able to remember everything once he heard Emma’s name, the fact Regina was surprised at how meek Snow was, but not surprised she didnt seem to know her), Time being at a stand still & the town hidden.”
That was my impression of the curse too. Basically it would take you to a LWM, but you could tailor it to suit the caster, just as Pan was going to do. So I would assume all the ingredients need to be the same.
If one is to engage with the primordial forces of darkness, one must expect a little social awkwardness
ellemo78 the quote tab isnt functioning properly forum wide, but will hopefully be fixed by tomorrow 🙂
RG said sometimes it will work if you change to “Text” mode to quote 🙂
I’ve just been using the blockquote (quotation marks) while quoting atm 😉
Haha- just found this little gem on youtube LOL- it’s good for a giggle (fan reactions to the 1st CS kiss) 😉
Oh! Cant believe I didnt click earlier! Didnt Emma & Walsh date for 8 or 9mths? As in right about the time Hook got his ship back?! SO why did WW feel the urge to send Walsh to our world to keep an eye on Emma pretty much as soon as Killy got his ship back… I think maybe someone knew what other ‘someones’ where up to 😉
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