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I agree Callmelola… its like Season 1 … she had magic inside of her – but didnt believe it, so it was not accessible. And once the threat to her brother is gone – she was just too happy to be magic free. I too think its there… she just wants to put blinders on and hope, pray, wish its gone.
I feel so bad for Hook while she is being so mean and keeps telling him about NYC… because not for nothing, Hook could go with her. But she not only wants to leave SB, she wants to leave him in SB – the place that is not his land or home, is far advance compared to his comfort level, contains his bitter enemy that he gave up his revenge against for her, is a port town in which he has no ship and he has no way to leave the land without magic – which he didnt leave when he had the chance with the bean and came back to after the missing year to help save her family. That’s just rough
Now if it wasnt cannon for TL Rumbelle and pretty darn close to it for CS – we would all think Hook and Belle are the most stupid people in the world and if we were family or friends we would have told them to kick Emma and Rumple to the curb and go find another. Seriously how much abuse can two people get in the matter of the heart. If Regina plucked them out they would probably be cracked and black and blue.
[adrotate group="5"]@jenven, had we known NY would be mentioned in EVERY SINGLE EPISODE this half season, we could have had a drinking game going on. Lord knows I needed a hit from the bottle after the last 3 episodes 🙂 I’m not as angry today as I was Sunday night after the episode. I get it. Emma’s default setting is her denial and lashing out at those who she sees as a threat to her personal reality. I’m just waiting for the line JMO promised us about Hook saying something about not chasing after her anymore. Emma needs to chase him, dammit!!!
@jenven said:Now if it wasnt cannon for TL Rumbelle and pretty darn close to it for CS – we would all think Hook and Belle are the most stupid people in the world and if we were family or friends we would have told them to kick Emma and Rumple to the curb and go find another. Seriously how much abuse can two people get in the matter of the heart. If Regina plucked them out they would probably be cracked and black and blue.
Hook and Belle aren’t stupid for thinking with their hearts instead of their heads. It’s heartwarming to see that kind of faith in a cynical world. If their brains were involved, however, Emma and Rumple would have had their butts kicked out the door long ago. You can’t change a person, Emma and Rumple both have to hit rock bottom before they realize that they each could lose the person that cares for them.
My 2 cents regarding the TLK debate.
I kind of fall in the middle. I do not think it was TLK because Emma lost her magic. I remain firm in my belief that if it was a TLK that would have been more powerful than Zelena’s curse. I also don’t think it was TLK “breaking” Killian’s curse either because it wasn’t broken it was just completed. Assuming her magic was removed as was implied Killian’s curse did its thing.
On the other hand though if that was CPR in the words of my nurse husband “wow that was the worst CPR I have ever seen!” I thought this scene was supposed to somewhat parallel Snowing when David left the hospital and was found in the water by the Troll Bridge. If I recall correctly Snow actually did chest compressions and a more believable CPR attempt but at the end she said “come back to me” and did almost the same type of soft kiss that Emma did. In this scenario there was no magic visualized and she did do CPR prior so was it a TLK that revived him? I don’t think so because neither remembered who they were at that point in time. In the CS scenario Emma didn’t try any true CPR so it had to be something magical?
So my opinion of the whole thing is that she unconsciously used her magic (like she had in prior dire situations) to revive Killian right before the curse took her magic but it wasn’t TLK magic. That is why you see the circle of light reviving him right before the cloud of white leaving her body. Just IMO though. As usual A&E left it open enough to various interpretations.
@Callmelolo … ha ha ha… yes. a drink every time NYC is mentioned. We would have all be on the floor every sunday night. Good call!
I have been annoyed with Emma after other episodes – after her snark… but not this week. She is so beyond it now it is moving into denial. she has some major mental stress going on here and she’s just sticking her head in the sand, lashing out, and just not being rational. so, i’m ok with her attitude this past week… let me rephrase it… i’m not ok with it but I understand how desperation is driving her to it. She is losing control of everything…
There is a difference between leading with your heart and only thinking with it… sometimes love is not enough to get past some practical things or differences. We have the benefit of knowing they are TL. Belle knows and believes in it and we all have the feeling that somewhere in the missing year it was confirmed for Hook… so of course they are more understanding and forgiving…but if it was the real world without fairy dust confirmation I would tell my son or daughter that they do not deserve such treatment and if the one that they love cannot see their worth they have to decide where their line is. Of course you have to work at love … its not easy and shouldnt be given up on without effort… but Belle and Hook should really start to think where that line is. They should have some dignity and self worth and they are not treated with either by Rumple or Emma IMO. Sometimes the practical puts up big barriers – how much abuse should one side endure to get over it?
Jumping in with my opinion about whether it was a TLK. I say no. I don’t think it has anything to do with whether one person is unconscious or not, I think that at least the person who is administering the kiss has to INTEND for it to be a kiss. Emma didn’t intend to kiss Hook, she intended to perform CPR.
Maybe I have a different perspective because I am a nurse and have performed CPR numerous times (it is much more pleasant with an ambu-bag but, darn it, patients don’t always collapse within reach of one). I can assure you – CPR is NOTHING like kissing someone. If it was, I have unfortunately just discovered that I have “kissed” some people you couldn’t pay me money to kiss and I probably need to inform my husband I have had some very brief lesbian encounters in my past. So, no, Emma didn’t kiss Killian so her CPR attempt could not be considered a TLK.
If it was, I have unfortunately just discovered that I have “kissed” some people you couldn’t pay me money to kiss and I probably need to inform my husband I have had some very brief lesbian encounters in my past. So, no, Emma didn’t kiss Killian so her CPR attempt could not be considered a TLK
OMG that was the funniest thing I heard all day!!! Thank you for that.
I agree that it wasn’t TLK and that is was a lame attempt at mouth-to-mouth. I am not convinced however that Emma’s magic is gone.
Is anyone else annoyed by the lack of a quote button????
I also wanted to point out that Emma and Killy’s on- going issue about him not telling her about his curse is supposed to parallel Snowing and David’s dreamshade secret in Neverland.
Early in the episode they wanted us to remember that situation so they had Emma say that the reason David understood why Killy didn’t tell her about his curse is because “he has experience keeping secrets from loved ones.”
If you remember, Snowing went through a period on the island where Snow wasn’t talking to Charming because she was so mad he didn’t tell her about the dreamshade.
When they finally talk about it she demands to know why he didn’t her about his secret. He says he was scared and Snow says “After everything we’ve been through did you really think I would not stay with you on this on this island?” But Charming tells her, no – the problem is that he knew she WOULD stay with him and THAT was what scared him, the price of the cure was something he didn’t want to force on her (sound familiar?) because love means sacrifice and protecting the people you love (again, sound familiar?) so how could a part of him NOT want her to leave the island. Then Snow tells Charming his problem was he didn’t believe in them, he should have believed in them and told her because they do everything together. She says she would have happily stayed by his side dodging poisonous darts if it meant they could be together.
The issue with CS is what happened in their end scene. We have the parallel of Emma saying “Did you really think I would let you drown?” But because of how things how been between them – Killy doesn’t yet have the confidence in Emma that Charming has in Snow of whether or not she truely cares for him and would do anything for him, although he suspects it. And even though they have been through things together Emma is not yet at the stage where she is able to believe in them and where she can say she would be willing to put up with the craziness of fairy tale world to stay with him – because that thought scares her. It’s why she keeps saying she’s going back to NYC.
I think the whole point of Captain Swan: The Movie is to get Emma and Killian to the same point that Snowing is. They need to go on Adventures ALONE so they only have each other to rely upon. That way they can EACH build trust in each other and BELIEVE in their true love instead of being taken by surprise by it.
I think ultimately whether ot not you consider the cpr a kiss or even if it was true loves kiss or not isn’t really the point in this scene. Emma and Hook weren’t breaking a curse – their actions CAUSED the curse to enact – Zelena didn’t say it needed to be TLK or even a kiss at all to ignite the curse. Hook needed to declare his love to complete the creation of the curse. However, all Zelena said after was that they had to meet lips to lips for the curse to work and cause Emma to lose her magic. Emma doesn’t have her magic because the curse is in effect. What matters is if TLK will break the curse. Emma and Hook haven’t kissed since the well scene – when they do kiss, if it’s TLK it should break the curse.
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