The Captain Swan thread!

[lumee23]

The argument that bugs me right now is that Neal died to make way for CS.  That I don’t get.  All Emma has to do is make a choice and that is the ship that sails.  If A&E want CS, Neal wasn’t going to stop that.  If any story required the death of Neal, its Rumple’s and Rumbelle’s arc.  It is the only way to keep Rumple interesting and hopefully breathe some life into Rumbelle as Belle will finally have to truly acknowledge Rumple’s dark side.

I agree with this. Especially after last episode it was very clear that as usual Neal was a plot device to support Rumple’s character decisions. What I found interesting about his death is that the writers seemed to have wanted to be able to have Neal repeat his father’s mistake to complete a story arc but also be able to blame Zelena for his death. I don’t think it worked out very well because I don’t really blame Zelena for Neal’s death. She gave him the gun but he was ultimately the one that pulled the trigger. Now if she would have taken Belle and threatened her life if he didn’t do it or threaten to hurt Emma/Henry then it would definitely be Zelena’s fault but then Neal would have had his hand forced and wouldn’t be following in his father’s footsteps. By blaming Zelena though they were able to martyr Neal, make Zelena look more “wicked” and give some justification to Rumple betraying Belle’s trust. The writers made their choices though and it is what it is. It is certainly not the first time that I have not liked where a part of the story has gone and I doubt it will be the last 😛 I enjoy the broader story being told though even if there wasn’t CS.

Usually I will look at chat to see what people think of the episode after the EST airing. I haven’t spoken in chat yet though. I listen to a variety of podcasts about Once and generally they have seemed to progressively become a lot more pro-Hook. The chat here is hit or miss with regards to Hook 😛

I can’t wait for this episode. This week is going soooo slow! I know we probably wont get a sneak until Thursday but I am still hoping we get lucky and get one today 🙂

[lumee23]

I am really confuzzled about how Blackbeard fits into all of this unless he somehow did not die when Hook made him walk the plank

[surayya]

Hook mostly gets hated on here because he was a major threat to SF happening + His sole purpose was to kill Rumple, for pretty much all S2- so that was doubly bad lol :p Then some people got on their soap boxes when he hit then shot Belle, so you could say he butted heads with an established ship & with a head canon ship… not exactly the best start for him lol.

But I promise you guys- there’s very very little Hook hate outside of this forum these days- most of the sites I started to avoid due to the hate levels are now “safe” places to visit again…. this site seems to be one of the last SF/Hook is evil strong holds left  🙂

I do agree with Obisgirl- I very rarely venture into chat, as there are a few members whom I simply cant stand the attitude of & it’s easier to stay away (I dont mind people having opinions- thats fair enough & expected, I do mind having to justify or defend “why” I like what I like etc. or have my opinion countered by someone elses- ie. I cant stand when someone says I love/like/ship so & so, then someone else pipes up with why they hate/dislike so & so- that drives me insane lol)

I do admit sometimes I get a little exasperated with the show- but it’s mostly after my 2nd viewing has sunk in & I notice something/s have gone against already established fact in show Or someone is doing something stupid….again & I REALLY want them to learn from their past mistakes *1st sign of being waaaay to invested right there lol* (which isnt helped by my being highly logical, so Once helps me balance that trait lol) & ok, Emma was kinda ticking me off until last ep, when I just went “Ok, so her problem is she’s pushing him away because she is scared/terrified of her feelings for him/she knows she could have everything she wants-family & true love in SB, but it could all be taken away from her after she lets it all in, since that always happens to her & thats why she’s miss snarky snark & has the NY/NY/New friggn York mind set”. But I’d never bash A&E for my response to their story, it’s their story- we’re ALL just along for the ride! I do like to poke fun at some of the corny ways they take us sometimes, but it’s all in fun, not hate 😉 I just dont understand the mind set of people determined to continue watching something that no longer brings them pleasure, just so they can moan about it to others 🙁

Anyway…..It’s almost 2am here, so I’m about to go to bed (thankfully i can function on 4-5hrs sleep still lol), but I saw this on FB & just had to share it here 🙂

LOL- I love it 🙂

[Killian Jones]

I’ll be on here Sunday for the show 🙂 it’s the finale! It’s our ship together in the spotlight! Lets all try & be in the chat this Sunday! I think I can find a link  to share with everyone and we can watch it at the same time so we won’t have to worry about time zones? I’ll share it here & all of us CSers can watch together & feel safe using the chat

[surayya]

What I found interesting about his death is that the writers seemed to have wanted to be able to have Neal repeat his father’s mistake to complete a story arc but also be able to blame Zelena for his death. I don’t think it worked out very well because I don’t really blame Zelena for Neal’s death. She gave him the gun but he was ultimately the one that pulled the trigger. Now if she would have taken Belle and threatened her life if he didn’t do it or threaten to hurt Emma/Henry then it would definitely be Zelena’s fault but then Neal would have had his hand forced and wouldn’t be following in his father’s footsteps. By blaming Zelena though they were able to martyr Neal, make Zelena look more “wicked” and give some justification to Rumple betraying Belle’s trust

TBH-I TOTALLY Agree with you here & it is a large part of why I’m so disappointed with Rumple lying to Belle & killing Zelena- She didnt kill Neal, Neal killed Neal.

WW may have given Neal the “Option” of using Dark Magic (the consequences of which Neal is well aware of & intimately acquainted with- given who raised him & why he ran…portaled away), esp in trying to “bring someone back from the dead”. Neal may have had his problems but he wasnt a fool nor simpleton- he knew bringing his father back from the dead would come at a high price (Geeze, even Hook knew it!)- he didnt care, he was warned & cautioned by Belle against continuing with his course of action, but he didnt stop to question what would be & who would pay the price- to his cost.

Did this work in Z’s favor, yes, but it wasnt her who told Neal to do it- Neal Chose to do it himself, so Rumple “blaming” WW for killing Bae & justifying his murdering her, makes no sense/is illogical- but as you go on to say, it’s the direction they went in, so we have to suck it up & deal with it lol 😉

[surayya]

I’ll be on here Sunday for the show 🙂 it’s the finale! It’s our ship together in the spotlight! Lets all try & be in the chat this Sunday! I think I can find a link to share with everyone and we can watch it at the same time so we won’t have to worry about time zones? I’ll share it here & all of us CSers can watch together & feel safe using the chat

What an awesome idea KJ! I love it 😀 Thank you 🙂

[callmeLola]

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[surayya]

I’m so naughty (down to 3 & 1/2 hrs sleep now- almost not worth going to bed lol)

But did A&E give a list of the couples that “could” get married or was it anyone & we’re just guessing it’s from the main cast pool?

I ask as someone made a very good point of the wedding we see, simply being the messed up timeline wedding of Charming & Abigail…. or we could get past that & see Snowing’s wedding again, this time with Emma & Killy there

Although it makes total sense, I’ll be kinda bummed out if that is the case- I kind of already had run the idea of it being one of the main couples, up the flag pole & this new take on it, kind of explodes all my head cannons & ideas on why & how for everything I’ve thought about the wedding so far lol …. so I’m now working on dropping ALL my expectations for the ep- other than loads of CS moments, so I’m not bummed by any of it for our 2hr movie- I just want to sit back & enjoy it- start to finish 😉 …. only 4 & 1/2 days to go!

[lumee23]

As far as I know they didn’t define who the wedding could be like they did with the death. I think we are going to get cheated with a past FTL wedding either Snowing (again) or Abigail/Charming. I do not think it is Rumbelle even though they would seem to be the most obvious of the couples…unless Belle finds out after the wedding about Zelena, which would just be awful for Rumbelle shippers IMO.

 

[surayya]

Thanks @lumee23 so it was just an assumption then.

Just saw this & it’s pretty well done

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