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@Kellyn1604 wrote:
But a majority of the main characters were very very different from their original selves.
Prince Charming is brave and loyal….David was a cheating wuss. Snow was a strong fierce woman…Mary Margaret was a weak doormat. Jiminy was a conscience and followed his heart…Archie was not being true to himself but being run over by Regina. The Huntsman was sensitive and Graham felt nothing. Red was pretty obedient and tried to be helpful to her granny….Ruby went out of her way to be difficult.So there is actually a lot of evidence that points that many of them were the opposite of their true self. It was part of the curse to destroy their happiness.
Sorry but I still disagree.
Charming – as David, he had no memory of what was going on in his life but it was a consequence of him getting wounded in FTL. He was still trying to be kind to people and ‘do the right thing’.
Marry Margaret – she still stood for her values just like Snow and followed the ‘good’, even if it meant losing her love. That is NOT weak, that is exactly what would Snow do and she did – drunk the potion making her forget (that’s actually weaker than MM because she wasn’t strong enough to bear the thought of him)
Jiminy was a doctor (“with a PhD from a curse” 😆 ), a psychiatrist so he was still a conscience as such. And with Henry’s help that bit got straighten up anyway after the episode in the mine – Jiminy had it always in himself but he was afraid of making the step, just like he was in FTL when he wanted to stop stealing and leave his parents – being a thief wasn’t being true to himself either but he still kept doing it.
Hunstman was only sensitive to wolfs, he didn’t feel anything for the humans. (Snow was just an exception). In FTL he had no heart, in Storybrooke he had no feelings – how is that opposite?
Red was NOT obedient to her Granny, she actually kept sneaking out with her boy, remember?All the time, especially in season 1, the episodes were set so that we could see the PARALLELS between the Storybrooke and Enchanted Forest characters and see the connections. They are most definitely not opposite – a bit different, yes, but not opposite.
They would be ‘opposite’ if Mary Margaret was some terribly mean person, if Charming was Absolutely Displeasing, Sidney wasn’t following Regina like a puppy, if Archie was encouraging everyone to do bad things, Grumpy was actually Happy, Nova wasn’t flimsy and Gold was an angelic nun (Rumple didn’t have his memories until Emma arrived – until then he was one and only Mr Gold).As for Belle – well, she didn’t remember who Rumple was until the curse broke, while they were walking to the well, so she must have had some other personality as well.
[adrotate group="5"]I wonder if Regina did indeed give Belle false memories- maybe she has been made to believe something horrible about Rumple. I would be very surprised if Regina had left Belle with an entirely blank slate. I’m looking forward to finding out who Belle thinks she is.
Kellyn1604 –
I like your theory, and you bring up a lot of good points.
I totally agree with your assessment of the FTL/Storybrooke characters/counterparts.
A lot of them DO exhibit opposite attributes.
Josh Dallas and Ginnifer Goodwin, apparantly agree with you, too….they both stated as much about David/Charming and Snow/MM in seperate interviews 🙂
@Gypsy wrote:
Kellyn1604 –
I like your theory, and you bring up a lot of good points.
I totally agree with your assessment of the FTL/Storybrooke characters/counterparts.
A lot of them DO exhibit opposite attributes.
Josh Dallas and Ginnifer Goodwin, apparantly agree with you, too….they both stated as much about David/Charming and Snow/MM in seperate interviews 🙂
Have to agree with both of you. It was confirmed numerous times last season that the curse made them opposite to their FTL characters. Many of their characteristics were reversed. Where once there was confidence, now there was uncertainty; where once there was courage, now there was timidity; and where once there was gallantry, now there was fear.
Keeper of Pandora's Box & The Yellow Brick Road.
The problem in Storybrook was that they were departed from there love. You see it on Charming. In FTL he was also trying but also put down from the outside. If he didn’t met Mary Margreth, he would married another woman, because the King says so.
Mary Margreth was the same. In FTL she didn’t trust that somebody could make things right, like Mary Margreth in Storybrook. Both only survived. But when both could be together and trusted each other. The good in the character grows like their love for each other.
The problem in Storybrook was that David was already married, so the outside had them in their prisons cells and the trust of their love couldn’t grow and neither the good in them.For me the course was like they reset the character to a time when they were on their lowest self. Without her better half and believe in a good and different future, the character didn’t develope to the Best in them. they were stuck at their lowest self.
Heros don't get their Happy Ending!
Well, EvilQueen, I think we will just have to agree to disagree. To me their differences from their original selves stand out much more than their similarities. It wasn’t until Emma showed up and started helping them that they started reverted to their real selves.
Here are a couple interviews that do use the word “opposite” just in case you are interested. One is with Josh Dallas and the other is with the actual creators of the show. Kitsis and Horowitz have stated this themselves.
@PriceofMagic wrote:
It would be the perfect opportunity to find out Mr Gold’s first name.
😮 I… never…
Gold… But… And….I’VE NEVER EVEN THOUGHT ABOUT THIS! LKNJBBYHVCTD5756UFYGVHJBKJ,
I actually agree with tiara rose, being reverted to the their lowest points – in the end Regina wanted to take away all their happy endings. It would certainly explain a lot of their behaviour.
And yes, Kellyn, we will have to disagree. In those articles, yes, they use the word opposite but only to point out SOME of Snow White and Mary Margaret differences. Later on Horowitz also says “They’re the same people, but their circumstances have been so changed by the 28 years of the curse that they’re acting differently than they ever would have in a perfect, free world. And that’s what they were in in fairy tale land. “
So they also use word ‘same’ just as much as ‘opposite’. He pointed out they act differently, which I agree. While the ‘opposite’ greatly applies to Snow and Charming (probably due to Evil Queen’s hatred towards them and putting all those obstacles in their way), it does not in case of other characters. I still think this ‘opposite rule’ cannot be generalized for all of the Storybrooke characters. Like I said, if this was true, we would see Mr Gold, Blue, Archie and many others being completely unlike what they actually were, even before Emma arrived.
@Kellyn1604 wrote:
Well, EvilQueen, I think we will just have to agree to disagree. To me their differences from their original selves stand out much more than their similarities. It wasn’t until Emma showed up and started helping them that they started reverted to their real selves.
Here are a couple interviews that do use the word “opposite” just in case you are interested. One is with Josh Dallas and the other is with the actual creators of the show. Kitsis and Horowitz have stated this themselves.
I’m going to have to agree with the creators/writers and actors of the series. They repeatedly made a point of explaining that they were complete opposites of their fairy tale characters.
They also made quite a point of showing us how Archie was under Reggie’s thumb and how much he changed after Emma to town. Post Emma arriving, Archie finally found his conscience again and stood up to Regina.
The creators and writers of the show, along with the actors portraying those characters, would know better than we would. I’ll take them at their word.
Thanks for finding those links Kellyn. 😀
Keeper of Pandora's Box & The Yellow Brick Road.
I think that what the curse did was rather than make them completely opposite of who they were in the Enchanted Forest, it hindered their best assets to keep them from their happy endings….therefore strong and brave Snow White becomes meek Mary Margaret. Confident Charming becomes insecure David. Red as Ruby loses her spunk and her ability to believe in herself. But at the core, they are still the same people….their internal belief systems haven’t changed. When Emma came to town, they all started to find themselves again.
Belle reverting to her Storybrooke self is going to have all kinds of repercussions. Not only is she going to loose all her courage and fight without her Enchanted Forest memories, but who knows what years of being locked up in an asylum has done to her alter ego. She is going to be completely freaked out- poor thing.
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