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I think Rumple had his memory the whole time – not just when Emma showed up[adrotate group="5"]
Here’s the thing that makes no sense to me
(I’ve broken it down into both possibilities:)
1.) If Regina was talking about Aurora’s mother: why would Maleficent use the same curse on Aurora that didn’t work on her mother? If the 1st SB was woken up by a simple kiss, wouldn’t it stand to reason that that would happen again? So try another curse…
Also – Aurora and Snow are around the same age (I agree that Aurora was probably cursed around the same time Snow was woken up.) If so, that means that Aurora’s mother would have been woken up from her curse long before Regina ever met Snow. In that case it would have been common knowledge that Aurora’s mother was woken up with true love’s kiss – so WHY would Regina trade Maleficent the dark curse for the sleeping curse? She would already know it might not work.
2.) If they were talking about Aurora, not her mother there’s a similar issue at play. Why would Maleficent use a curse that Snow and Charming proved could be broken with true love’s curse? The truth is, it wouldn’t make sense for anyone to use the sleeping curse after Snow and Charming’s FTL “happily ever after” – everyone would know how it could be broken.
One more thing that bothers me – it’s been implied on the show: if we know the story, the essence of it already happened in FTL. i.e. – we know “Snow White” because Snow’s story happened in FTL. We don’t know Emma’s story because it’s happening now. So if Aurora is THE Sleeping Beauty, we shouldn’t know her story as it didn’t finish before the curse was enacted and the book was written. Which would imply that the SB story we know is her mother. But if that’s the case, why would the writers imply that, in essence the same story literally happened twice – including the fact that Aurora is named Aurora (the princess name we know from Disney) and her prince is named Phillip (same issue.)
Although – why would Maleficent have given Regina a sleeping curse they both knew could be broken with a kiss? Check it out:
– If THE Sleeping Beauty was Aurora’s mother – that means she would have been woken up long enough before the curse to have at least a teenage daughter by the time the curse was enacted. We don’t know exactly how much time elapsed between Snow being woken up and the wedding, but based on the fact that Snow and Charming look the same, it couldn’t have been more than a couple of years. This means that Snow and Aurora must be at least around the same age when the curse was enacted (give or take a bit). Therefore Aurora’s mother would have woken up long before Regina made the trade with Maleficent for the sleeping curse – meaning both of them would have known it could be broken with a kiss.
– On a side note – in “The Thing You Loved The Most” Maleficent said she “got over” Sleeping Beauty waking up. If she later went after her daughter – not so over it…
On a side note – Tail + Whale, to me = an aquatic episode. Not Puss in Boots. Since they’ve already shot the first four or five episodes, and have yet to cast an Ariel, I’m going to go with Dr. Whale NOT having anything to do with The Little Mermaid. I do think he may have something to do with water.
Lets put all the facts we know down in one place. Whoever Dr. Whale is has to match up with EVERYTHING below.
1.) His name is Dr. Whale (note – this may not be as literal as it sounds. The name David Nolan has nothing to do with the name Charming, however Regina is latin for Queen, and Blanchard means white. So it’s safe to bet an…odd… name like Whale will mean something.)
2.) In Storybrooke, he’s a doctor. Again, this might not be literal, but healing must have something to do with his fairy tale counterpart. David Anders has even described Dr. Whale as a healer.
3.) In Storybrooke, he’s a total womanizer. Keep in mind though – he was under the curse. This could actually be an opposite quality of what he truly is. But in either case, Dr. Whale must have a story strongly connected to women in some way.
4.) He’s in a position of (somewhat) power in Storybrooke. If we use examples of other people in power, this means he was on Regina’s good side before the curse was enacted.
5.) The episode we believe will be his reveal episode is called “Once Upon a Tail.”
6.) David Anders knew who his fairy tale character was before he even signed on for the role – and it was a big reason why he took the part. One has to assume it’s a well known, epic character. NOTE – The OUAT creators did not obtain the rights to “Peter Pan” until just before they started writing season two which, for me, discredits the Dr. Whale = Peter Pan theory. They went into season one assuming they would never be able to do Peter Pan. Why would they pitch Anders a role they didn’t think they would legally be able to write?
7.) David Anders mentioned that we’ll find out “what world he’s from” implying that Dr. Whale might not be from the enchanted forest but from somewhere else (i.e. Wonderland, Oz, or Neverland)
8.) David Anders has said that very few fans are correct in their theories (in a recent discussion thread he read, or vote or something, he said only about six out of hundreds of fans got it right.) So it’s got to be a less common theory.
There is a similarity – but I liked how Belle was that person romantically for Rumple, and Ariel is being played as him having that relationship with a child. I found that interesting – having him relate in a parental situation.
And I loved those lines too.
(Ironic given my avatar lol)
I also want to know what REALLY happened to Belle after she left the dark castle – and Cora’s origin story (and the “Official” Rumplestiltskin story) would be great to see played out.
I also think there’s a lot of unanswered questions about Jefferson – how did he get to be a magical Hatter, and how does Alice fit into his story? (Also how did he know about Belle, and where did he go when he fell into the hat in SB?)
And of course, I’m excited for Ariel 🙂
I don’t know if she helped August deceive Gold. We don’t know if Mother Superior remembers the curse. And what she said was true – he was trying to reconnect with a father with whom he didn’t have a good parting. It was just Gepetto, not Rumple