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–Wonderland is a prison world.
–The Wizard of Oz is a strategy they need to enploy. Right now there are three. Emma, Henry, August and maybe Hopper. Dorothy, Scarecrow, Tin Man and the Lion.
–This fight between Regina and Rumple is one that had going on for years. Cora v. Zoso, Cora v. Rumple, Rumple v. Regina, Regina v. Rumple v. Emma, Emma v. Rumple….Emma finally winning.(think Lost–Jacob and the other dude, white v. black, chess game, backgammon)[adrotate group="5"]@hjbau wrote:
And there may have been a time differential in the book as in Narnia where no matter how long the characters spent in the other world they come back at the same point that they left their world. And there may be a time differential between worlds. All of that is possible, but the Hatter was in Storybrooke and has been trapped their for the last 28 years, so i think that the events of Alice in Wonderland happened before Emma was born.
Also it didn’t seem like the Queen or Jefferson were worried about how much time was going to pass in the fairytale land while they were in Wonderland so i think that it is unlikely that time is working differently between worlds meaning that if you pop into Wonderland for a day, three centuries could go by in fairytale land. No one would risk that. And it seemed like this was not Jefferson and Regina’s first trip into another world.
The first thing may be possible, that no matter how long they spend in another world they return to their world at the exact moment they left. I don’t want that to be the cause because i don’t want Emma to be a baby at the end of this series. I like that idea as long as it does not apply to the end game of the show.
Though that does beg the question of how does the real world know about the stories from other worlds and those stories are old known stories in our world.
I agree with the time differential. Alice in Wonderland, Through the Looking Glass, and Wizard of Oz are stories about a character from a world such as our or even from anyworld for that matter; going to that world and later coing back probably at near the same point as when they left. Both Alice and Dorothy went to Wonderland and Oz via dreaming or getting knocked out by object hitting her in the head by tornado. I do not think it mattters when the FTL events of Hat Trick, we have agreed upon a time differential thing and now I am adding the, how Alice and Dororhy entered that world fact.
I agree that there are only going to be scenes from Alice in Wonderland or Through the Looking Glass because both books are very long. You can spend a whole season on each book and by the time you are done with those stories the whole polt of the show will have gone so far off the reservation. Wizard of Oz too. You can only do those memorable scenes that we all know.
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That is actually why i would say that everyone else is not exactly collateral damage because i think the Queen did mean to hurt everyone else. That was part of her goal, but, of course, it is still her main goal to hurt Snow. It was Snow that she went to so that she could see her suffering as the curse took over. Though she was also looking for Emma. I would think of collateral damage as people she did not mean to hurt, but i actually think that the Queen meant to hurt everyone so it isn’t exactly collateral damage. Just my opinion.
That was exactly the point I was getting across. In that scene when the threat was made. She first threatens Snow and Charming and then threatens everyone else by saying, “all of you!”. Unless the character actually says otherwise…….it is like everything else that these characters do or say. Unitl we have proof of it and we can point them out, all are just guesses. Or until they say otherwise their no’s can eventually become yeses. Characters are not dead until we see them die or have a body.
Ok, good…..now FairyTale Princess lets go along with what you said. I will now add that I believe Wonderland is kind of a prison world. Two people enter and two leave. It was suggeted that howeve many people enter that many can leave. The maze, the guards and the hedges. The Queen of Hearts is in affect the Prison Warden as well as a prisoner herself. Prison Wardens are like Kings and Queens in a way. So Wonderland is the prison world of FTL, where those who go there are either exiled there. I do not see anyone wanting to go there on purpose.
I do hope they reveal Dr. Whale’s first name. Then we can all have a better idea of who he can be. Our predictions will tend to be more accurate with a full name.
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I think that it was easier for Cinderella and Thomas because Regina is not actively going after them. The curse created a situation where they were not together, but that is it. With Snow and Charming, Regina is actively doing everything she can, everything, to make sure they don’t end up together.
I think that the Queen was going after everyone, but only because they supported Snow. Like Snow said Regina isn’t a queen anymore and it seems like the people have decided to support Snow and Charming in the fight against Regina. Though i do think that really Regina is hurting everyone else just to hurt Snow because like Phee said Snow is Regina’s main concern.
If we rewatch the pilot, when she announces the curse. It is directed at Snow and Charming first, then everyone else present at the wedding. So both are correct everyone is collateral damage and yet they are all directly effected too because everyone in connected in someway or had helped them (Snow and Charming). They are directly effected because of guilt by association to the happy couple. Their guilt by association makes them collateral damage.
It is like the what came first, the chicken or the egg argument. Nobody is going to be right at this point until we hear Regina actually says, “Hey Cinderella I did not mean for my curse to hurt you, but since you are friends with Snow and so won’t get a happy ended…you won’t too.”
Remember in Wonderland time does not seem to mean much. Magic, these are fairy tales. This is not time travel just another world. If you read Alice in Wonderland or maybe its Through a Looking Glass, Alice ages very quickly and near the end of the story, she’s a woman and not the girl. When she began as a little girl. When she went back to her world she wakes up a little girl again. The story is a dream like the Wizard of Oz.
I mean going on the theory that everyone in the insane asylum knows FTL. Jefferson knows FTL. Henry may not know it but he believes in it and he does see Dr, Hopper. Could Regina sent him to Hopper in hopes that he can give her a reason to commit him to the cuckoo for cocoa puffs ward?? but Hopper man-ed up and finally stood up to her which threw a monkey wrench into that plan?
My guess is that it is the cure to the curse. Some characters have said sometimes the answers are right in front of you without ever realizing it. Who knows how long Emma has seem that on her door and never thought to question it until now if she ever goes back there she can take August’s advise and reexamine things with different perspective.
