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Neal could just not be dead quite easily. They left his body in the forest with Zelena. He could just not be dead. I understand what you are saying about MRJ being in another show, but if his show was cancelled then he could just be alive on Ouat. If Zelena can suddenly be alive again and pretending to be Marian for half a season then Neal can just be alive too.
[adrotate group="5"]It looks so awful, but maybe it is just the screen cap of it making it look worse . Maybe he will only be like this some of the time.
The special things they make for comic con are not promos and they are different because there is no footage at that point. They are more like teasers then anything. Also Cruella is not new to the show, so it seems unlikely that they would do anything special for her, she doesn’t need to be introduced. They usually use footage from the show for the commercials and everything from now on is a commercial. Also, this is mid season, so for mid season they have had footage since before the end of 5A. All those teasers you put up have nothing to do with the commercials.
It seems unlikely they are going to make special footage for a promo. They usually just use stuff from the episodes.
The thing, is even the fact of those returns, mean nothing if they are not done well, especially bc they are all returns of one episode, and u cant develop a storyline in one epi and then dont show that storyline anymore. That is why i fear that some of you, may be hurt for what is coming, bc 1st bc i dont think Neal will actually appear and in the case he makes a cameo and there is a warning, that scene will not involve any other characters, will be like Merlin message, where they just saw the message with no interaction and if MRJ did filmed on that friday( only possible day), all the other cast menbers were filming other things seen by fans or the milah and emma, when the writers already hinted that emma knows who milah is, and especially since Cs filmed after that like nothing happened and since the actress will no longer appear, is safe to say that nothing comes from that meeting. So how can u tell me that this is good storyline, where u see a character in one episode and only develop that story in one episode, so is like each episode has no connection with the previous one.
I also don’t think MRJ will appear. I don’t think that these are going to be good storylines. I think that they are characters that will show up and possibly have one good conversation. That is something in light of a bunch of really boring episodes. I also don’t really think that them trying to get out of the Underworld is all that interesting of a storyline. The interesting part is that they are going to meet people who died or they killed and how they react to that. Milah doesn’t half to appear multiple times for something to come of it. If Emma learns something about Hook from her then that could be good. Of course Emma knows about Milah. Hook has her name tattooed on his arm and showed it to Emma in Season 2. That doesn’t mean she actually knows anything about their relationship.
I totally agree though that nothing may come of Milah being on the show. She may just pass some information like oh i saw Hook over this way or something inane. That is easily possible.
If you murder a character with inconsistent dialogue and behavior, can’t you bring them back to life with better writing and less plot driven motivations?
Yes, they could bring the characters back with better writing and less plot driven motivations. That doesn’t change the fact that the last few seasons have been terrible. That happened and while the show can be better, it can never recover, in my opinion, for how bad those seasons has been. It can never recover from the loss of Neal and how that took away the very story that the show was supposed to be about. The show can be about a new different thing, they can write the characters from the point they are at now and write them consistently and that would be better, but the integrity of the story is out the window and that is not recoverable at this point.
I am totally looking forward to Mulan and Red being back and whatever LGBT relationship there may be with one or both of them. I am looking forward to Cora and Regina scenes and Rumpel and Pan scenes. I am looking forward to Milah being back and interacting with Rumpel and Emma, but just because there are things that i think will be interesting next season, does not mean that the integrity of the story has returned. That’s gone and that cannot come back. The cohesion and coherence of the grand story is out the window, the morality of the story is out the window. Those things have happened and while i may like things that happen in later episodes, that cohesion of the grand story is gone forever.
Not to keep bringing this up, but it’s comments like these that sparked my question regarding why you still watch the show if you feel the show is beyond fixable.
Because i want to watch the show. That is really the reason. I like talking critically about the show. I still like Emma and when she interacts with Snow, Regina, Charming, Henry and Rumpel. I don’t have to think the show is good to watch it. I don’t think the show can be fixed. There are three halves of the show that are just bad, where the plot and characters are incomprehensible. That cannot be fixed. That happened. The can only make the show better at this point. The show has writing issues. It isn’t what happens, but how badly it is written. The characters need to be consistent and they need to grow and they need to react to these things that happen to them and they don’t.
It is like the end of Season 3 when Rumpel found out Neal died in the future. Old crazy imp Rumpel would never have taken that memory potion. Ever. If Rumpel is able to save Neal from the Underworld, he would, even if Neal didn’t want to be saved. Emma and Henry would want to save him as well. The writing has to exist in the reality of what would these people do, not what do the writers want them to do, but what would the character they have created and now exist with a personality, with a way of reacting, with a reason for being, react when things happen to them. They need to react within the confines that the writers themselves have created for their own characters. The writers have to care about that. They don’t.
I watch the show because it is hard for me to not finish something I stated and got invested in it (I still watch Grey’s Anatomy). I had two friends who used to watch it, but one stopped after 402 with no intention to ever see it again, and the other stopped at the beginning of the current season, she might return to watch it sometime if she has the time. My mother and sister only watch it only because I do. I don’t think the show can disappoint me anymore after 5A, it took me a long time, but finally I accepted that the show I used to love is over, it’s not the first time it’s happened and it won’t be the last. Now, instead of being angry, I just laugh at what they’re doing, take everything more lightly and come here and enjoy a discussion and other people’s insights and read critical reviews that I enjoy even more than the show itself.
I still love Grey’s Anatomy. The problem with Ouat is how things happen. They happen in ways that don’t make sense. While i could totally understand being annoyed that they killed Derrick on Grey’s Anatomy, i don’t think that the characters on that show reacted to that in unrealistic way. I think the characters were completely consistent and coherent in their reaction to that event. I also, personally, don’t think that Meridith and Derricks’ relationship was central to the show and certainly it wasn’t central to the majority of the main character’s arcs on the show like Neal was on Ouat. Grey’s can go on fine without him. I actually think the loss of Cristina was more of a loss to the show then Derrick. I think there is no one that can fix the loss of Neal on this show. There are too many things that can’t happen now, too many conversations that will never happen, too many relationship moments, too many parallels that can’t happen. It really is a complete loss of the integrity of the story.
I just don’t understand why you guys still watch the show if you hate it so much. I’ve never seen so much negativity in a forum about a show that we all still watch. I personally still think they can turn things around and get back to telling the stories properly, mainly because they have always said that they have an end game. So once they stop stalling with story lines they clearly were never planned in advance, I think the final half season or season or whatever could be really great. But for those of you who feel like Neal’s death killed the show and it’s past the point of fixing it, I don’t get why you still watch it. Despite it’s huge flaws, especially in this last half season, I still enjoy it, so I’m still here. Are you guys just determined to finish it out because you’ve invested all this time already?
I watch the show because i still like Emma, but really i don’t have to have a reason to watch the show. I can watch the show because i like to pick it apart and complain about it. That is a valid reason as well. The show is bad though. The story has fallen apart. I was never all that sure if Emma and Neal should get back together when he was on the show, but i know Emma should not be with Hook. I know that the story was supposed to be, in some part, about what happened between Emma and Neal and the whole big family dynamic of the good side and the evil side. That Rumpel’s arc was completely about Neal and the resolution of this relationship did not happen. That Henry never got to know Neal and that Henry asking questions about Neal was sprinkled all through Season 1. I still like Emma when it comes to her relationship with Henry, Snow, Charming, Regina and even Rumpel, but Hook doesn’t fit and important parts of the arcs of a good half the characters don’t exist without Neal.
Well it just isn’t true that Hook was supposed to be in multiple episodes. He wasn’t ever supposed to show up in the present day storyline. The writers said as much in interviews. They said that they started filming Crocodile and liked Colin and wanted to keep him on. Colin has said similar things as well. Hook could have possibly been in other flashbacks, but he was never supposed to interact with the present day characters.
