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I agree that the writers just thought it was a cute ending. It makes no logical sense characterwise or in universe or timeline or plot. It is just a random ending that allows for a big ball scene. Seriously, what if Regina did not want this responsibility? Nothing about having it be a surprise made it better at all. How in the world did they even get to all the realms to ask people? It really is a compete mess of a plot point. It really does create a hundred new plot problems.
[adrotate group="5"]I think for as much as Rumpel and Regina are able to actually have a person, that they were that for each other. They were each others oldest friends. It is unfortunate that they didn’t give a goodbye scene between Rumpel and Regina.
I do agree that there have been many occasions where Rumpel has sacrificed for the family. Especially at the end of 3A, but this was the best dialogue surrounding it all, for me. I think that they never knew what to do with any of the characters after a big moment happened. They were constantly rewriting them to have new personalities throughout the seasons. They never wanted to do the hard work of actual change. It was always tell and not show. At least, Rumpel was the most consistent character his only major inconsistency being when he took that potion at the end of 3B.
Though, i don’t really think that the family should have welcomed any of the villains into the family. At least, they never got there for me with either Regina, Zelena, Hook, or Rumpel. They could have, but they didn’t. They just wrote them in, so not letting Rumpel in was fine with me. Though, i completely agree that he has done nothing worse then what the other three villains have done, so if they can be part of the family, then so should he. It was definitely an inconsistency.
Oh my goodness. That is why they made her father Zorro. Seriously, i just don’t know about these guys.
Yeah, but i think with Bae, the whole point was that Rumpel wasn’t willing to do anything for Bae, back then. He wouldn’t give up his immortality and his power for Bae, but then now he would do that. I think that is the plot and the change and the arc that would make sense for me.
I don’t think that they showed that fake Hook or real Hook were friends with Rumpel. They just sort of said it in this episode. I don’t even think that a lot of the audience would even make the connection that they were trying to show here to when Rumpel let Bae fall through the portal.
I think it makes no sense. Regina has never been shown to be the leader in any situation in present day. Sure, when she was queen through fear by committing mass murder in the past and when everyone was cursed in Storybrooke she was the leader, but never since then has she ever been the leader in any situation.
The connecting of the realms should have happened in Season 3 and should have led to adventures. It makes no sense as an ending. The way they did it with time differential and the three Reginas and three Henrys and two Hooks and possible another Rumpel and Belle is just a complete mess. It caused a hundred new plot holes.
It would have made a lot more sense as some sort of open portal situation then all the sudden all the realms fit in this itty bitty space.
The entire episode i was thinking that Rumpel’s scenes would have made a lot more sense if they had Neal in them, but i think that Rumpel’s arc and actually making a right choice was good. The show does not work without Bae and Rumpel’s character doesn’t work without him, so this second place usage by showing scenes with the new extra characters was as good as they could get at this point.
Rumpel’s actual choices though were good and i liked the ending even if everything surrounding it didn’t work and was really really awkward.
I cannot believe that they mentioned Maleficent or Lily’s father. They just need to stop already. They have failed. It is time for them to move on.
I have really liked this forum from the very beginning of OUAT. There has been a lot of good complex discussion over the years. A lot of well thought out arguments that i have really enjoyed reading. I will miss the discussion way more then i will miss this show. Even though a lot of us have different favorites, we always kept it together and had good discussion. Thanks for writing and for discussing. Good luck, in the next fandom, whatever that might be.
Regina and Robin were never epic; they were just boring. No version of Hook and Rumpel have ever been any sort of friend. I cannot believe they mentioned Lily’s father in passing. That was ridiculous.
Regina killed Henry’s version of Snow and Charming and stole our Emma, who is his mother, nothing she says should make that better. It was stupid that Henry was walking around with two swords. Just why. That conversation with fake Henry and Regina was not enough and did not work for me. There is no explanation for why he would be treating this Regina as his mother. He was just because. This was almost as bad as when our Henry said she’s my mom in Episode 201.
The war room scene was just bizarre without Emma in it. It was also weird for them to have Snow and Charming finally take the lead and for them to be talking all old school like they did in Season 1, but haven’t done in years. The big speech was awkward and just annoying for me at this point.
A scene where a parent was holding onto his child and saying he would never let them go, in this case fake Hook and Alice, only made me think of how a scene like that with Bae saying he would never let go of his son, while Rumpel watched would have made so much more sense.
Rumpel being upset that he lost his mortality, which just happened randomly out of nowhere did not make sense. Rumpel has been trying to get rid of his mortality for years. At least Rumpel realized that you do what is right because it is right at the end, even if this whole show was written with the characters doing right to get something out of it. Rumpel giving his heart to a man, so that he could be with his child again would have made so much more sense with Bae and Henry.
The whole all the realms being connected to Storybrooke should have happened at the end of Season 3. Too little too late. Though the heart thing was a stupid way of doing it.
The whole ball thing was bizarre. Emma’s weird arrival was bizarre. At least, Regina wanted Emma to be there. What is the explanation for where the Regina that was in Storybrooke is at? How does Henry leave and meet Ella if they have changed everything? How is baby Neal that age? Our Emma is actually young Henry’s mother because her character is both our Emma and wish Emma because there was never a second Emma? Are there three Henry’s and three Reginas and another Rumpel in town? There is just no explanation for any of this and the plot is just completely incoherent in every way. I cannot believe how bad that all was. It was worse then i ever thought they would do.
Regina’s “redemption” has never worked for me. The rewriting of her character in Season 2 was the first major flaw in this show. They rewrote her again in Season 3 and i actually really like the Regina that they write now, but it is inconsistent and her arc is completely unearned. It makes no sense that she would be the queen of anything. Emma is the leader and has always been the leader.
I am not a fan of Rumpel, but his character arc was the most coherent in the show. It wasn’t perfect, but at least you can see his growth and feel the connection to how his character used to be. That was the only thing reasonable about this episode. That and i liked that they showed a dream catcher even though they failed to mention Bae in the afterlife.
