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@RumplesGirl wrote:
I need A and E to tell me what they mean when they say “time is linear” because obviously things and people can move through time and space. We saw it with the apple and Rumple said as much in the Return when he’s talking to August (when he think he’s Bae).
I just want you to know, that ever since you left, ever since you crossed the barriers of time and space, in every waking moment
So what does it mean that time is linear but then they also say that there is no time traveling.
It could be that FTL is less developed by 1900 as our world is, therefore Bae doesn’t move in time so much as he goes to a more developed universe. (Fringe anyone? The parallel universe was more advanced in some areas)I have a feeling they’re trying to say that he’s not time-travelling all over the place whenever he please. That he went here, then here, then here, but that first trip through the portal was through “time and space” and he landed a long way down the linear timeline so jumped from point A to point B but is still going in a straight line.
There are a few things we’ve seen that jumps around but I think the point was that overall it’s a straight line, at least in regards to Bae’s journey. He just….skipped a massive amount of time going through that vortex (hopefully none of the other beans cause massive time jumps – I don’t think they do since Hook & Cora were able to follow Snow & Emma quickly though, just saying that was one massive time jump).
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@KFChimera wrote:
I disagree. While Cora and Regina are evil monsters, they are not beyond reasoning with; Tamara, however, is a fanatic, and there’s nothing more dangerous than dealing with fanatics, because there’s no reasoning with someone who believes wholly in the righteousness of his/her mission.
I’m gonna have to agree with this. Even seeing how awful Cora was I still figured there was some story to it and I was ok with seeing how she became the way she was but with Tamara I just don’t see any ounce of former goodness at all. She is, like you said, a fanatic and that can be extremely dangerous. She certainly doesn’t seem like she can be reasoned with. At least we knew Cora’s biggest problem (that she removed her own heart) whereas Tamara clearly just has a major axe to grind and has some serious issues that while I’m mildly curious how she got to this point I’m just sick of seeing her at all. Cora I loved to hate but I just want Tamara GONE.
I was worried after they got rid of Cora that somebody worse would come along. =/ We haven’t delved much into King George yet which is what I was expecting next but even he, back in the shepherd, had moments where you could tell he was mourning his son and was probably once a lot better than he became when he had to force the guy who looked just like his son to pretend to be someone he wasn’t. I’m sure that changed him (how weird would it be for somebody with the face of someone who loves you to have them hate you? Talk about depressing).
With GOAT, specifically Tamara – if we get rid of them yay for a few minutes but I am a little concerned about what comes next. Hopefully, whoever it will be more compelling. I find most of the villains on the show compelling even if I love to hate some of them and Tamara is just off in a category by herself where I really just don’t care.
It’s all weird for me, I love the shades of grey on the show and the twists and turns it takes. Tamara is the probably the first character where I’m just sick of seeing her and I want her gone. All of GOAT fits into that actually.
It’ll be interesting to see where that goes after they’re taken care up (hoping this ep gives us SOMETHING to work with on the Home Office front) but I’m sick of GOAT so whoever is calling the shots at the Home Office better be a bit more compelling.
Still confused about why the press release doesn’t include a lot of names it should…otherwise it’s weird we got casting news before even a S3 confirmation so they have to be more people in this episode (not to mention the pictures we've actually seen of MAP with Neal).
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I’m not sure the shadow was there that long. Didn’t Wendy say it arrived around the time Bae did? We saw 6 months later from the vortex to when he meets Wendy and when they’re found out Wendy says he’s been there for “weeks” (way to be vague) but it may not have been quite as big of a time span at least (though it’s still a lot).
In the official podcast they mentioned something about it seeming to follow him? Can somebody back me up on that? There was something about dark magic following him or something and it related to the shadow conversation and the fact that according to Wendy it arrived around the same time he did. I need to stop multitasking lol.
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@KFChimera wrote:
Hm that makes sense–then to escape when SB doesn’t go boom, a desperate GOAT get on a boat out of town to another realm with Henry as their insurance policy? I'm still not sure they are going to NL though.
I’m so confuzzled right now I’m not sure what anybody’s doing or where they’re going much less how or why! (Part of that could be lack of sleep and extreme busy-ness going on as of late but there’s just so many things to tie up / likely to happen that I don’t know what to think anymore! I do agree though that there’s no guarantee as to the destination but I think the general concensus is only that particular place based on the titles and what they relate to (especially since they themselves are directions).
This failsafe certainly looks / sounds super powerful so it’s going to take a lot to stop it one way or the other (maybe a combination of good and dark magic? Kinda like one of the really big bads in Charmed where they had to work together to stop it for the sake of both sides?)
What if Emma and Regina had to team up on it somehow to get it to stop as neither side on its own is powerful enough?
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I’m still thinking he could be Peter Pan and instead of Peter looking for his shadow, maybe his shadow is looking for him. It’s a weird stretch but I don’t know why else the shadow thing would be so focused on Bae. I do agree with the reason for swapping out though, that it realized and/or learned from Wendy that Bae wouldn’t want to come willingly and figured out that Bae would sacrifice himself for the good of the Darling children.
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They’ve been mostly good in the press releases if it’s not something that was announced beforehand and even then they sometimes keep to the alternative name. Plus it’s the finale so hopefully they’re keeping a little more under wraps so that we’re all still shocked, even hardcore fans.
That being said, I’m still trying to wrap my head around the fact that all we got of Dr. Whale was that one little scene. I fully expected him to be around at least a little more than that if they were going to go to all the effort of having him back (makes me wonder what was cut). Was hoping to see more of the townspeople that we actually know next week instead of just random people running around behind our main characters but guess we’ll have to wait and see.
The list certainly doesn’t look complete, that’s for sure. I’m glad with who we do see on there but it’s like they ran out of room and just said “Eh, forget it, let them be surprised.”
As for the Wendy stuff, her part is probably done for now. Unless they want to show us someday what her experience there was actually like and/or show Bae getting out and visiting her when she’s perhaps a bit older (they did cast a 19 year old so I think we’ll see her again aged up a bit for sure), I don’t think there’s any reason to see her again soon since Bae will presumably be spending a good chunk of time in Neverland learning how to do stuff like swordfight.
It bums me out too as I expected her to be around a lot more and we barely got a peep out of John and Michael. It’s so weird to think that they DIDN’T go to Neverland at all, just Wendy for a night and now Bae for many years to come. Still hoping for a return visit at some point, maybe a few – though how that would go I’m not sure – perhaps he learns to love it there once it’s no longer so evil and then he comes back to take them there and show them, they eventually want to come home and grow up, he’s learned to love it there and doesn’t want to leave permanently.
This is pure speculation from another thread about Rumple & Neverland: Rumple goes to NL to look for squid ink (mermaids – mermaid lagoon) and Bae panics thinking he’s on to him causing him to flee, perhaps with the help of Hook to avoid Rumple’s detection – would explain why Hook makes the comment about maybe Rumple’s son doesn’t want to be found (the way he said it sounded like he knew something…). Then Bae flees to our world but long after Wendy and the Darling children are gone.
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@Phee wrote:
I’m thinking that Hook volunteering the use of his ship may in some way be him trying to make something up to Bae if they parted on bad terms. Hook regrets hurting the kid, and wants to make amends, but Nealfire may not necessarily want to be BFFs again, if it was something really major that went down between them in NL. And if CaptainSwan is in full swing by the time Nealfire shows up, that just adds even more potential for delicious awkwardness and angst. “First you hooked up with my mother, and now you’ve hooked up with the mother of my child?!”
THIS a million times! I do think that Hook volunteering the JR might be a way to try to make things up to him and it opens the door to some comforting of Emma too as he more than anybody understands what she’s going through, just like when they were talking on the beanstalk (the only time he’s been “real” and open to anyone). They’ve already got the Milah / Graham connection and now Emma getting hit with the Neal thing again (even though he’s probably not actually dead she is probably convinced he basically is), so perhaps we’ll see a softer side of Hook and more of that commiseration rather than the overt flirtation and innuendos (not that I don’t love those, but as soon as the convo turned serious at the top of the beanstalk, a switch flipped for him – I want to see that again).
In this case, Hook actually knows the guy in question so there could definitely be some good stuff, especially good for transitions and to show us Hook & Bae’s past and how he is now. Neal didn’t have a problem having Hook tied up but we haven’t really gotten to see them interact in present day and to a pirate being tied up is nothing (for instance, Hook doesn’t mind Emma besting him as it impresses him). Being a pirate people fight, abandon each other one day and be fighting side by side against someone else the next so anything can happen.
I’m still hoping for some form of NealFire Pan and I think that would make the triangle even better, especially if the guys had a much better relationship than one would typically expect!
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Perusing Adam Horowitz’s twitter feed and found this little gem (granted he was being blasted at the time for saying we were getting some CS this week when he meant end of season meaning next week but there’s still hope for some!)
The tweet is a reply to someone threatening not to watch because they got our hopes up to see Emma & Hook together but his response was this:
“well you’re gonna miss an awesome Emma hook scene. Sorry u think I lied. Honestly just misspoke.”
(Wish I could figure out how to embed the tweet on here from the twitter code it gives for embedding but yay for referencing not only an Emma / Hook scene but saying it will be an awesome one! If even part of my dream version for next week happens I will be so thrilled!
Edited to add: I found another quote responding to a question about whether there is hope are we shipping in vain. His response was:
“always hope on OUAT. They will certainly have some important interaction before season is done.” (I like the word “important.”)
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It does beg the question that if the shadow only wants boys, why did it take Wendy in the first place?
I need to rewatch but that wasn’t the first time the shadow came to see her right? Cause she had to promise Bae that she wouldn’t go with it. That kinda tells me the shadow has had a few chances to figure out that Wendy is not the kid he/it was seeking…right? The whole thing is very puzzling but I agree that it was likely searching for Bae.
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I’m kinda hoping I’m wrong about Wendy just because I want to like her but the entire story could be turned upside and with Bae’s track record….
She does seem to like him but at the same time if it’s him or her brothers maybe she would betray him, not sure.
She did try to stop him from doing it though so she’s either very good at manipulation or is an innocent victim in which case why was she rejected from Neverland? The shadow didn’t mind taking her with him/it so what exactly happened? (I don’t trust what anybody says til we see how things happened so I’m not sure WHAT to believe about her experience there – it is odd that we knew she went and came back but neither John nor Michael ever went, though I suppose if they’re changing it up to be this dark place maybe we’re just lucky to have seen them).
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