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MysteryKat25Participant
I don’t have a problem with the mashups in general and was pleasantly surprised by the ones we’ve seen so far (other than genie, I still want be believe sidney is JafarGenie and not Genie himself) so if they do mash up Eric and Hook I’m sure it would be great. I just don’t currently see it yet (but like I said, I didn’t see how rumple / beast would work either and it works beautifully).
The age thing is the sticking point. I love Colin/Hook but I don’t want him to be backburnered off Emma for an underage mermaid! Hoping that Ariel is aged a bit just because most of the others should have been teenagers as well (which in the time they were written was fine, not so much for modern day, hence everybody else being aged up) so she may be older which would be good.
Once we actually see Ariel and get some interaction with Hook we’ll have more to go on. I just hope it’s not another case of people getting their hopes up for say…WoodenSwan and then it being absolutely impossible and people thinking we’re crazy for ever considering it (darn de-aging magic lol – not that I was WS shipper but I did like August).
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MysteryKat25ParticipantThere are so many things I want to see I’m not sure if they’d have enough time to cover half but it’s bound to be a jam-packed episode!
This is strictly a what do you want thread, not discussions about the spoilers so let’s keep that in mind as requested (aka: people who knows spoilers don’t have to respond to every little thing I suggest, this is just my list of wants)
1) Bae & Hook – I adore Dylan as Bae and young Bae is still my favorite version of the character. I want to see Hook show a different side and have them actually get along and shock people that are expecting the traditional version of the story (like the shadow Pan thing wasn’t creepy or different enough, ha!). Tallahassee gave me hope that there’s another side to Hook, especially with how he spoke of the Lost Boys – I want to see that side.
2) The Shadow Pan – I want more on him and why he is the way he is / what he wants other than to apparently keep all of his “friends” with him and never let them leave
3) I want to SEE Bae learn how to drive the Jolly Roger and swordfight, I think those would be fun and we know he learned somewhere, why not from Hook?
4) Rumple to find out what happened to NealFire and have it change him back to the good side regardless of what Lacey thinks she likes
5) Rumple to get Belle back to normal (and Sneezy too) so that he doesn’t have to constantly choose one or the other, then Belle can help him and everyone else try to figure out what happened to him
6) Hook to betray GOAT – I don’t think he’s 100% with them, just going along with it for now and he’ll realize what they have in mind and try to stop it
7) Hook & Emma to actually have scenes together – she’s not in a good place and has a lot of big stuff on her mind and I don’t want it to be romantic (YET – she needs to deal with SwanFire stuff first – thinking he’s lost, addressing their past issues that don’t get swept under the rug so easily other than when you think they’re dying etc etc), BUT I want Hook to soften up and commiserate because if anybody knows how she feels after Graham and now Neal (whom she probably at least mostly believes is dead at this point) it would be him (300 years of revenge + the tattoo?) He was softening up in Tallahassee before she left him. They need a bonding moment as friends, especially if he betrays GOAT to help her and the rest of them.
8) Regina – I need her to do the right thing if there is any hope for her but she took on massive amounts of magic to save Emma & Snow before, as well as stopping herself from using various spells at the last second; I need her to stop what she put in place via GOAT and save SB or at least TRY to if only for Henry’s sake
9) Confirmation that Neal is in fact OK – I say this even as a huge CaptainSwan shipper because a) he’s been through enough and b) there’s no way that CS can plausibly happen and not be treated as a joke or a fling or a rebound (something I do NOT want) until SwanFire has its time to play out for real, not a last second ILY when all hope is lost and c) I do like some SwanFire moments, they’re growing on me, and if I do have to get used to it for endgame I want them to be happy and that requires confirmation that Neal is OK right now (also I’m not one to celebrate at other fans being upset about something (something we should all learn to live by out of respect for fellow Oncers) – *cough* people celebrating because they think CaptainSwan is dead now *cough* – and I know the hardcore SwanFire people are heartbroken right now – mildly happy with moments but still gutted *passes out cookies*)
10) MAP – the writers like to tie up loose ends from the beginning of the season and we haven’t seen or heard from MAP in a long time – need Phillip to be saved at some point
11) The wraith – again we haven’t tied back to the beginning of the season yet and now we have a shadowy creature that’s wraith-like in the shadow Pan, as well as the creepy undead Maleficent in the library basement so they could be tying it back to the beginning somehow, even if it’s only to show how Phillip may be saved in the future if he isn’t already
12) Charming family bonding moments – it was nice to see Charming and Emma finally get a moment but we need more of that – still waiting on her to call them Mom and Dad
13) Misc characters – we haven’t seen a lot of Archie, Ruby, we barely saw Dr. Whale last night, what is everybody up to in the middle of the crisis? They should be there to help and I don’t want them to risk being destroyed in SB if the failsafe goes into effect (I don’t trust GOAT not to use it)
14) Emma using magic – she’s still learning how to tap into it but if there was ever a time she’d need it, it’s now
15) Home Office stuff – we need answers and I want GOAT gone so though it may take awhile we need to at least have a better idea of who these people are / what they want (I like the theories people have come up with, I just want official answers but don’t want to spend a lot of time on it unless it advances another section of the plot too – too much to see and too short of an ep)
16) NEVERLAND – I’m looking forward to / enjoying the stuff we have so far but we’ve only really actually SEEN the water at night, shadow Pan, and Hook & Smee on the Jolly Roger which we’ve seen before – I want to see the rest of Neverland! Mermaid Lagoon especially, meeting the Lost Boys etc etc. Hopefully that comes as part of the Bae & Hook storyline a bit more because as much as I want to explore their relationship, I also want to explore Neverland itself
17) Emma to have hope – she’s been through so much and she’s the most likely to break down after everything that has happened. Don’t get me wrong she’s strong and tough when needbe, but also likely to feel defeated with the Neal thing, much like Snow was before the Blue Fairy showed up to tell her about the wardrobe that could send Emma to safety. It was Charming who snapped her out of it and gave her hope again, I want Emma to have a reason to hope for something good instead of everything being so depressing for her at the end of the season (things tend to pile up in finales and last year was no exception but at least it ended on a positive for her last year – saving Henry, and then a big question mark with the magic coming – I’m hoping for similar circumstances)
18) Is it too much to ask to get Grumpy on that ship and say something piratey?? I’ll settle for an “I hate pirates” if we can’t get an “Ello Poppet” but I want Grumpy interacting with that ship! (And with Hook – the actors bromance is awesome and would love to see what funny stuff they come up with onscreen). Also begs the question of where are the dwarfs and how can they help with everything?
Wow that’s a lot and I’m sure I’ll think of more later. Lots can overlap but not sure to what extent so sadly some will probably just be hinted at for next year but it should be an awesome finale!
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MysteryKat25ParticipantOh I’m aware that they like to mash them together, I’m just not positive about the Hook / Eric thing since there’s also the Killian Jones angle they have yet to dive into. I’m not sure I see him as Eric just yet but then again I didn’t see Rumple working as the beast when I first saw the Skin Deep promo either so stranger things have happened.
I still love CaptainSwan but if push comes to shove and Ariel is an appropriate age, has chemistry with Hook etc etc I may learn to love it. Hook’s one of my favorite characters and I just don’t see him with anybody currently on the show other than Emma so we need some new blood but not somebody random either. Ariel would fit if done right but again we don’t know who’s playing her, what age etc etc so I’ll wait to officially dive in. (Still really liked the Tom Welling idea for Eric though lol, but if Eric does also have to be Hook then I am 100% in on Colin – adore him).
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MysteryKat25ParticipantWell I love Ariel and look forward to seeing what they do with her. I agree that she could be a very fun character, especially interacting with Hook.
I would prefer that she be with Eric and they generally go with Disney so far as the pairings we grew up with so I’m not sure they’d change that or if I’d want Hook to also be Eric (I totally agree on the Tom Welling thing!) but it could be interesting and I see why people believe them to be connected.
The only question I’d have about the fact that she’s hanging out in Mermaids Lagoon in Neverland is that if she’s been there all this time, why hasn’t he moved on with her before? Why would it happen now?
I’m a huge CaptainSwan fan (and haven’t given up hope just yet!) but since they’ve been pushing SwanFire at us for awhile now (and I get the appeal though my preferances are different), Hookriel / FishHook could potentially be a good 2nd choice. I love Hook and want to see him with someone I actually like and nobody who is on the show right now fits the bill for that.
I’m a little hesitant to ship him with someone we haven’t seen on the show yet because a) we don’t know how they’re going to portray her, especially what age! and b) we haven’t seen how they interact, if they have chemistry etc etc but the idea is an intriguing one and I like the connections with Mermaids Lagoon and the pirate ship etc etc.
I will definitely be keeping this ship in mind if I’m forced to find somebody new for Hook and if it doesn’t appear we’re getting Eric as I doubt they’d start mish-mashing now when they haven’t before.
I’ve loved all the mermaid references so far and hope we get some more in the finale, maybe even a glimpse of one. Should (hopefully) be definite for S3 though. I think they waited to bring her in until they had a chance to set up Hook which should have happened last year (grr) but it makes it more likely that her connection starts in Neverland for sure. Here’s hoping we get more to work with soon! *Fingers crossed*
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MysteryKat25Participant@slurpeez108 wrote:
@MysteryKat25 wrote:
Ooo I like that idea slurpeez! We definitely need to see her work some magic again. She was able to shove Cora away but not able to securely lock down a protection spell on Gold’s pawn shop or stop what happened tonight from happening so her magic could definitely use some work and saving SB would be a good spot for that to happen!
Thanks! I really don’t want the town to be destroyed. As both the Savior and True Love incarnate, Emma has the most powerful love of all inside of her. So, if anyone can save SB, or at least its inhabitants, I’m betting on Emma.
Makes perfect sense to me! I love Storybrooke and there are lots of sentimental favorite spots in that town that it would be a tragedy to lose. If anybody’s capable it’s gotta be Emma. In fact the ONLY reason I’d be ok with it being destroyed would be that we would be getting more things on green screen which means less spoilers available. I gave up trying to avoid stuff this season because people just kept saying things WEEKS in advance and I couldn’t get away from it unless I avoided the fandom altogether. I’d rather everybody be surprised and able to theorize all on the same level than hear for weeks on end how predictable the show is (which it isn’t to the casual viewer, just to those of us that spend hours on it!)
And yes I know some live off of spoilers and I admit freely that I struggle with it cause if it’s out there, I want to click and get info ASAP, but some stuff is taken way out of context, blown out of proportion, and there is just TOO much of it (their department hasn’t learned the difference between “tease” and “spoil” yet). Basically I wouldn’t mind it if there was some stuff still out there but significantly cut down which would happen if they’re not out on the streets being watched all the time.
I really do love Storybrooke though so I would hate to see it gone. Perhaps Emma will save it and then the core gang can go off to chase GOAT and save Henry
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MysteryKat25ParticipantI like that idea slurpeez – Bae has been through so much to that point and he needs something to go right for him. I could totally see him worrying about the lost boys, just like he saved the Darling children.
I’m also curious to see when he changes his name because I don’t think he jumped straight from Baelfire to Neal Cassidy / Cassady (I can’t remember the spelling).
The fact that in our world the name Neal C. relates to Peter Pan really helps the theory that he became Peter Pan at some point and then, upon arriving in our world again which he clearly does at some point, changes it to something that relates back to it but he’s not going around introducing himself by the name of Peter Pan (cause really, who would take him seriously? I’m sure he’d learn pretty quick that he needs a new name).
I’ve long been a proponent of the name change theory just from him trying to stay away from Rumple. The question is how early did that begin? He kept the name Baelfire when interacting with the Darlings but it’s plausible that he earns a new title and therefore a new name while in Neverland.
After all, even Rufio in “Hook” is trying to be “the Pan” – not Peter, just “the Pan.”
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MysteryKat25ParticipantI like that idea sacric! It would make total sense that he would mistakenly agree with them for a moment and then try to fight to get away later.
The only problem I have with this is wouldn’t Henry know not to trust them based on the events from tonight? I would think Emma would have to tell him what happened to NealFire but perhaps at that moment hadn’t gotten a chance to in all the excitement and pulled a classic Charming family move of we’ll talk about it later (I could totally see Henry going around trying to find NealFire and wondering where he is but Emma having bigger things to deal with). Granted she told him about Archie which at the time was pretty much equally devastating and thank goodness untrue.
Basically I’m torn but I like the line of thinking!
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MysteryKat25ParticipantGosh I hope so. I’ve been afraid to look. The early posts in the brand new SwanFire thread were saying it but I haven’t looked in awhile.
Hopefully the general concensus moving forward is ship and let ship without treading on others toes, even if the ships do overlap.
We started off with quite a few viable ones for Emma and have narrowed it down to two. Sadly those two share an episode that split the fandom into two entirely different directions. On the bright side both ships love Tallahassee? =/
I need those interviews now…or tweets, perhaps we can get Adam to respond to a positive polite tweet about CaptainSwan stuff? I hate when people jump down his throat for their ship not happening and honestly the only reason I would ever be truly mad at the writers (and even then wouldn’t jump down their throats on twitter!) would be if they were promising us everything for naught and then said nope not happening haha we teased you but please keep watching – that would bug me and I don’t think they’ve done that at all yet).
(I really only hate what’s been going on tonight because I can see both sides and the people who are being mean about it are very one-sided. If they could at least respect the other side as I try to do I wouldn’t mind it so much! Good for them for getting their moments tonight, now where’s ours?)
Must keep reciting the motto on Obisgirl’s poster: Keep Calm & Ship Captain Swan!
Thanks Jasminegirl for all your comments! (And for reminding me of the picture with the book that had Emma & Hook both in it *more hope is appearing thanks to you and crazyfox!* Glad I wasn’t reinventing anything. I feel like there were some hints from Jane Espenson in various interviews – though she's the first to admit that she learns new things in the writer's room all the time! as well as Eddie & Adam – maybe I need to relisten to the Tallahassee official podcast. Then there was all the PaleyFest stuff where Bae wasn't even there for, much less mentioned and you could SEE the room getting excited about all the CaptainSwan hints so they HAVE to know how popular it is etc etc. I'm really hoping that promised interview for JMO & Colin that's supposed to come out this week gives us some hope, as well as those hints from some guy on twitter, I can't remember, who either saw the finale or did some interview or something (mind is drawing a TOTAL blank, GRR!) who said there were some huge moments for CS and I coulda sworn one of his tweets was that they were destined to be together, don't you think? So if this somehow doesn't happen after everything from THIS season that was hinted at for it, I just don't know what to think! None of the cast much less the people getting to see this season early would KNOW for sure anything yet for the future unless it's something huge like JMO knowing Bae was Henry's father but there's no way they're telling her who Emma ends up with. As far as what stelio was saying I think she meant people who were posting about it, not making posters (though in my tiredness I totally read it that way at first too!)
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MysteryKat25ParticipantOoo I like that idea slurpeez! We definitely need to see her work some magic again. She was able to shove Cora away but not able to securely lock down a protection spell on Gold’s pawn shop or stop what happened tonight from happening so her magic could definitely use some work and saving SB would be a good spot for that to happen!
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MysteryKat25Participant@chrisgirl85 wrote:
So in the promo (It’s on the other thread) Regina says that she can slow down the fail safe. Than you see her not being able to contain it.She is risking her life, becaue even if she slows it down long enough for others to get to safety, she will still be in harms way. Do you think this self sacerfice will change her heart? We know from spoilers shedoesn't die since she goes on the Jolly boat(or whatever it’s called.)
We do see her get on the Jolly Roger in spoilers so something's gotta give somewhere. I wonder if there's someone else who could take her place and give her time to get out? And if so, who would do that? This is the 2nd time we've seen her take on massive amounts of power to try to save people for Henry's sake whether she likes it or not but I don't see how we're going from everything is basically destroyed to hopping on the boat.
As to whether it changes her it could, maybe, in a small way. She already saved Emma and Snow but that didn’t get her anywhere the last time. If for Henry’s sake she’d probably do it to try to save the ones he loves yet again but I doubt she’d be happy about it. I think she’s probably still in shock that Snow & Charming saved her and Charming even called her family. Perhaps a truce of some kind will come into play, for Henry’s benefit at least, to join up against the bigger threat. Whether she finds a way to stick with them in the future who knows. Probably depends on just what they’re up against and how badly things are going. After all, the dysfunctional sort of family member enemy of my enemy is my friend right? 😉
Spoilers also show pics of Greg & Tamara kidnapping Henry I think, so that may also come into play. I still don't see how the failsafe is connected to them all safely getting on the boat when clearly in the promos it's enacted and Regina is having issues controlling it.
Looking forward to seeing how everything ties together cause right now we have a lot of dots and very little connecting devices as of yet.
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