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once_dude
Participantfor my valentine’s day i am going out and taking my mom out to a restaurant since i do not have a true love my own age.
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Participantoh i could see Cora hiring Daniel specifically because she knew that Regina would fall in love with him. she is just that twisted. i dont know. nice theory never thought of it.
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Participantwhy did they not just introduce the episode with Mr. Gold saying “Rumplestiltskin.” thats the day I personally like to think it was.
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Participantin my opinion the hat is an underused plot device.
1. we got this Hat Trick episode which was great.
2. In Broken, when Emma and Snow travel through the hat, where are the doors?
3. We see Frankenstein and Jefferson from the hat, but we know nothing of his world without colour.
4. I was hoping when we returned to Wonderland that twe could see more of the hat but so far not.
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once_dude
Participantwe never really figured out whose heart it was.
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Participantlol i think magic beans would be awesome but i missed what your third item was that supposedly needed no introduction.
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Participanta further disection of Rumplestiltskin’s tragedy written with the lense of season 3 episode 11 in mind so spoiler!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Act the First: Manhattan. A poor spinner, Rumpelstiltskin gets to be a soldeir in the ogre wars which he is originally excited because he can cure the terrible reputation of his father Malcolm (side note did the villagers in his town ever wonder where Malcolm absconded to after Rumpelstiltskin returned?)
This honour and the name of family was very important to both feudal society like Enchanted Forest and to Greek society. Your family’s honour determined your status as a man and a citizen. (granted in the Enchanted Forest it seems women had more rites than they did in those other cultures)
Rumpelstiltskin gets the word from the seer that his actions on the battlefiled would leave his son fatherless.
This is very akin to several prophesies of an oracle at delphi or even if we look through a Shakespeare lense to the tragedy of Macbeth and the witches.
The Crocodile: Rumpel’s wife leaves, and Rumpel takes revenge on her and the pirate Killian Jones.
This aspect of revenge is another key theme to tragedy (not sure of other examples but Hamlet comes to mind)
Desperate souls (well this one has been recounted already)
Nasty Habits: Rumpelstiltskin confronts the Pied Piper Peter Pan who tricks him and further widens the gap between Rumpel and Baelfire, Baelfire can hear music of the unloved, which in intself is tragic because I think that we can clearly see that Rumpel loves Baelfire.
The Return Rumpelstiltskin loses Baelfire and makes his vow (vows are very important in tragedy I think every Shakespeare tragedy I have read can be said to have one and I am less familiar with greek tragedies but I think this might be a feature there as well) “I will do nothing else, I will love nothing else”
Miller’s Daughter: Rumpel manipulates and falls in love with cora, she rips out her own heart. This relationship had no potential to work, because Rumpel was teaching her to be as magic crazed as himself.
Skin Deep: Rumpelstiltskin makes a deal for Belle (nota good first move) they eventually fall in love, however due to Rumpel not revelaing everything to Belle she runs into Regina and Regina convinces her to have true love’s kiss with Rumpel. when this happens, Rumpel starts to lose his power and pushes her away. Instead of revealing the real reason he is afraid of losing his power he focuses ont he secondary reason of his power means more to him than she does. She responds “all you will have is an empty heart and a chipped cup.”
Most of the modern day in Storybrooke can be summarised with the phrase Rumeplstiltskin acts in order ot get what he wants. In Neverland his motives are ambiguous in the Nasty Habits epsiode at first, but gradually we learn that he really did want to save Henry despite wanting to kill him a few days ago.
Finally in Going Home we get the grand conclusion to Rumpel’s tragedy: He confronts his father his weakness, and he sacrifices himself for the townspeople who are truly his friends. He says a sad and solemn farewell to Belle and Baelfire. He then stabs himself and Pan going into…
Well thats my best aproximation of a tragic analysis.
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once_dude
Participantlets explore this some more. If Cora had not ripped out her own heart, she and Rumplestiltskin might have gone on together for some time, and she might have given birht to Regina. However, as time went by, Cora would have noticed that although the Dark One had power, he was also a coward who was in search of his son, and how he was not content with merely having Regina dn that he was obsessed with bringing a curse to their land. Rumplestiltskin would then attempt to hide this fact from Cora and tell that this land was better and that she would have immense power, but then Cora would have left him just as Milah had, and take Regina with her, thus causing the old enmity between the Dark One and the Queen that we know and love. So in the long run, Regina bineg mad at both her mother and Rumplestiltskin would still have forced her mother through the looking glass to Wonderland and nothing would have changed. In fact, in this scenario, perhaps Rumplestiltskin would never have met Belle and he would definitely be worse off. In conclusion, Cora would have eventually become Milah. Belle would have never turned into Milah.
However this thread brings up a moment to me from Skin Deep. I always go back to the “empty heart and chipped cup” scene, and I wish Rumple had expanded on his statement “My power means more to me than you,” i wish he had said “I need my magic in order to find my son in another land”. but he is too much of a coward to give everything away and make himself vulnerable.
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Participantthey are ont good promos as theyd ont even give verbal information about the show or character whatsoever. I don’t like them lol. Also they could ahve used sohw music but did ont. (both the evil Queen and Prince Charming ahve music that is signature to them)
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ParticipantAlthough I like the idea of the Peter Pan story oN ONce Upon A Tiem I find some things are missing. In order: 1. Where are my Indians? 2. Where is my Peter and Tinkr elationship? 3. Ok so you alluded to Peter and hook’s relationship being complicated, great tell me more. 4. Where does Baelfire fit into all this all we have form him is his cave and basically saying Baelfire was here. Things they did well: the boy who would not grow up is now the man who was not a grown-up, Peter Pan as Pied Piper, vengeful Tinkerbell in Neverland, those darned evil mermaids from Truest believer, the fact that we have a sacrifice by skull rock is interesting. Another great adaptation of Peter Pan is Neverland. Did your professor show clips from that? If not go and see it right now. I am an english major myself and must be critical thats why I give Ouat’s Neverland a 7/10. It was great and every episode in that arc was better than season 2, however it ddid not match up with what I wanted in Neverland. And lol dont even get me started with how disappointed i am in wonderland. Dont get me wrong i love this series just sometimes i want them to stay truer to the original tales. Finally I once wrote an academic paper on psychological perspectives on Rumplestiltskin. Does anyone want me to post it?
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