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Writing this about both ep 7 and ep8
8/10
LOVE this season, despite Jacinda’s whininess.
Permission to gloat again?
I was one of the few people (possibly the only one?) who stuck to their theory that Hook’s daughter was Alice.
I was also right in my prediction that Regina would give Jacinda a job at the bar.
I was wrong about their being any connection between the rune and the tower though, which is a shame due to the Babyonian and ancient Greek mythology connecting important towers to 8 pointed stars.
The intro for ep 7 even showed us the 8 pointed star too, and then it didn’t show up for two episodes!!! I am still holding out that the rune, the 8 compass directions (Oz?) and the medal that held the ruby are all connected somehow.
Congrats to everyone who was adamant the Belfry was Rapunzel, and that witch was Mother Gothel. (I didn’t argue with this because I agreed with it but still…nice work!).
Also LOL wish!EQ. Had waiting to see her for a while!
Edit: just remembered this show’s second rape-by-deception (and this show’s third rape overall). Much as I love R and Z, the show should have dealt with these if they were going to redeem them. As such, I really hope that Gothel is not redeemed. Still, it did upset me that the writers went that down that route AGAIN.
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Why do I have the feeling Zelena will be a doctor or even a teacher? If the Evil Queen’s running a bar, what would the Wicked Witch of the West be doing? Wait, what if she’s running a circus or is a veterinarian….she gets along well with monkeys, after all. My biggest bet though is she’s a lounge singer.
Probably a teacher. She has lost her magic and ”those who can’t, teach” (something I disagree with seeing as I am a teacher).
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can’t wait to see Z again !
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Looks great
Looking forward to learning more about the rune and the tower and if there is a connection between them
Also yey for flashback EQ!
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Also, now that Regina is awake, what is their explanation for why she wouldn’t just call Emma, Snow, and Charming?
Maybe she can’t while Hyperion Heights is still cursed?
Because this might wake up Henry (and Jacinda), and their TLK will kill them and everyone else in Hyperion Heights.
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writing this without looking at other people’s reactions
8.5/10 for this one, as it was Regina-centric and answered a lot of questions.
LIKES
-The episode confirmed that time moves faster in the Realm-at-the-Edge-of Realms than it does in LWM.
-We found out why Ivy was trying to get between Jacinda and Henry (that she needs the curse to continue so that her mother suffers more…which is something that I postulated last week here on this board).
-I felt more of a connection between adult Henry and Regina
-I felt more of a connection between adult Henry and Jacinda
-I like how Regina was identified as a hero.
-OMG a new fav. among Regina’s costumes!!!!
-Overall a very emotional episde, and in many ways I really felt for Drizella because her need to become dark was strong.
DISLIKES:
-Didn’t Lucy know who Roni really was from the first episode? I’m very confused.
-Land without magic, but just enough for Ivy to do what she needs to do. How convenient that the witch in the tower was able to create that potion using magic. (The other example of magic perhaps was the gravestones appearing, though this could have been done manually, too). This witch must be a strong believer or something.
-Ivy didn’t need to leave the photo in the locker. She simply could have had Roni drink the potion once it was made.
-Does Alice actually have a clear answer for Hook about where Eloise Gardner is? All she did was offer him a simple piece of advice.
-We have confirmation of time moving differently, but the lack of reaction between mother and son over time passing (or not passing) was very strange. Still, it was not the actors’ fault, it was that of the writers.
OBSERVATIONS
-I was correct about Ivy casting the curse and her motivation for doing so: revenge. Bit disappointing, though.
-I was correct about Weaver helping others to wake up now that he is awake, but I was hoping he would do it without deals (hoping that he had moved forward in his character development).
PONDERINGS
-Drizella learned dark magic way too quickly, and she said that she was born with magic. Her poof cloud was also the same color as Regina’s. I am starting to believe the popular theory that Drizella is other!Regina’s daughter who may have been born in the Wish Realm, and that for some reason Tremaine adopted her as a baby (either the baby or Tremaine crossed realms). It is also possible that despite other! Regina’s efforts to rob from the rich to give to the poor and helping to save all the magical realms from disappearing into nothing did nothing to prevent wish!Henry from still persuing her, and maybe she escaped to the Realm-on-the-Edge-of-Realms, or put baby Drizella in a portal to the Realm-at-the-Edge-of Realms while allowing wish! Henry to capture her. Also, many TL babies might have an inclination towards magic, and let’s face it, Regina and Drizella do indeed look like each other.
-Last week, I made a possible connection between the 8 points on the rune, and the 8 points on the medal that held the ruby and the 8 points on a compass (and the compass points for Oz). I have also now just realized that a ship’s wheel also has 8 knobs. Maybe the medal need to be used with the ship’s wheel and/or the table at which Oz’s witches sit or needs to be activated by the 8th witch to lead wish! Hook to his daughter.
However, in this episode, it was described as a protective. Perhaps it is protecting the gate to the tower (of Babylon?) that wish! Hook’s daughter is in, or a door to a realm that the tower. I say Babylon because according to bible lore(?) the 8 pointed star first came out of Babylon.
-I am now curious to find out why wish!Hook’s was trapped in the tower in the first place. There is something about her that makes her special. If the eighth witch is not Robyn, then perhaps it is Hook’s daughter?
-Other option for the 8th Witch is now Drizella.
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I’m thinking he’s probably Flynn too, but could he possibly be Roni/Regina’s new love interest? What he’s both baby Snowflake grown up AND Regina’s new love interest?
I really hope not. Yuck.
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Yes, I think we will. I think he might come from Oz, along with the red ruby originally. Perhaps it was a part of the ruby slippers or from the same source material as the ruby slippers. Oz could be this other horrible place he is trapped in, but it might not be. Afterall, either Wonderland or our world would be a horrible places to half-trapped in, too. Some gimmicky mcguffin probably caused him to be trapped between two worlds.
Also, whatever item trapped Facillier between two worlds, could be an ingredient for this new curse, meaning that HH is a place between two worlds, ours and the realm-on-the-edge-of-realms, where Rumbelle, Cinderella and crew were. If this is correct, then the other horrible place that Facillier was trapped in would be our world, which would remove his magic.
Maybe we will Facillier again because he is in HH and the heroes will need the ruby to break the curse. If he is not in HH, then we could see the ruby again at least.
Another thought…maybe Anastasia needs to be between two worlds (for whatever odd reason A and E have come up with) in order to be resurrected, though I don’t know how this would fit in with Ivy’s plans to thwart her mother.
(The medal had 8 points on it like the compass (and like the episode 10 title) but he didn’t seem to need that only the ruby, so I can’t decide if the metal part of the medal has a connection with Oz and/or episode 10 and/or that bearded guy’s 8-pointed rune tattoo)
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I have had another thought.
A few seasons ago we saw that Oz needed 4 different witches for 4 different directions. What if they now need the other four directions (NE, SE, NW, SW) and are looking for the 8th witch to complete the compass directions?
Also, could be just a coincidence, but did anyone else notice that the bearded-man’s tattoo (described as a rune?) and Tiana’s father’s medal both also have 8 points on them, like a compass?
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Ooh looking forward to this one.
Wonder when Regina will get her magic back….is magic even possible in HH? Belief etc might allow it to work?
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Yes, I think she cast the curse. It was a nice twist, very unpredictable, seeing as Belfry was trying to get Lucy to lose hope, which would mean that she is in charge (which she isn’t).
I have no idea what her motivation is, but knowing the writers it is likely a simple one…something to do with wanting to be loved, but I am not sure by whom, seeing as cursed!? Tremaine has been pretty abusive towards ”Ivy”, too. She might want to win her mother’s approval by being smarter than her, maybe. The other option is of course revenge on her mother for being abusive and favoring Anastasia, wanting her mother to go round and round in circles trying to control everyone and taking everything they have but losing the battle each time, with resurrecting Antastasia her favourite daughter as her motivation. However, Ivy getting between Henry and Jacinda would ruin that plan.
Basically, I have no idea lol
Just realized something: ivy, the plant, likes to climb up tall things as it grows (as well as some varieties being poisonous), and this could include towers in this show.
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