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Can we get the transcript about what Lumiere said about the vault?
“Where the first Dark One was made, born out of the, well, darkness.”
[adrotate group="5"]One of the saddest things for me about all of this is that Rumple had such character growth, accepted responsibility, and gave his life, telling his son that he would have a happy ending…and now this? So villains really CAN’T be redeemed then? All the progress Rumple made, and his sacrifice, it was for nothing, it got him nothing but more suffering, and it got his son nothing but death. Really, show that’s supposed to be about hope and redemption? The suffering and upheaval that EVERYONE went through due to Rumple’s quest to get back to his son, a great, significant chunk of the entire show, was all for nothing in the end, because Rumple’s son just ended up dying? Really, show?
When the death spoiler first came out, A&E ruled out Rumple as being a possibility. They said everyone else in the main credited cast was a candidate, except for him, so I dunno that there will be a situation where Rumple dies in the future in order to bring Neal back. I am suspicious that there could be a loophole of some sort though. Between them playing up the swan pendant as being a special, powerful object, (even making a point of Neal saying he didn’t know how it survived the jump between worlds, which it did twice even when everything else on his person changed, and Belle saying it’s born of the thing that’s the most powerful magic of all), and the lack of farewell tweets from actors and Adam on Twitter, MRJ didn’t even tweet to the fandom, the whole thing just feels sort of open ended right now IMO.
Editing my sig banner just now, I re-read that quote of Neal’s that I’ve got in there, and “I’ll see both of you again.” BOTH OF YOU. BOTH. So either the writers have a malicious sense of humour, or there’s gonna be a loophole and Neal will indeed see Henry again.
Also, I find the Twitter silence really odd. It’s not just Adam, it’s the rest of the main cast, and MRJ himself. Even the couple of cast members who did tweet MRJ, it wasn’t a, “Was great working with you, miss you buddy,” type thing. Which is weird considering MRJ is great friends with the rest of the cast, in particular JMo. They shared that epic emo scene where his character died, and not a single tweet between the actors? I dunno, maybe it’ll be a different story tomorrow and they’ve just got a gag order because some website has exclusive rights to an exit interview and they’re not allowed to address it until it’s been published, but that seems a bit extreme to give them orders about what they can and can’t tweet to their friend from their personal Twitter accounts.
Things both in the show itself, and involving the actors and Adam are just so weird, so as of right now, I’m calling shenanigans on the whole hot mess.
Of all the things – of ALL the things – the one that has me ready to weep hysterically is that THEY MADE EMMA KILL HER TL. WTF?! He died at her hand! How does she ever recover from that? Hint: she doesn’t. They have just ruined that character. They screwed Bae, they torched Emma – not even to touch Henry. How could they have ruined them all so callously?
The Saviour who saves everyone, because she has the power due to be being the product of true love, is unable to save her own true love from dying. Say what now? Much logic there. The Saviour who believes that she never gets the happy moments in life is seemingly proven right when this crap happens with her. Say what now? Much hope there. It’s just ridiculous and really doesn’t jive with the themes they claim that they’re portraying in the show.
Neal dying nullifies his father’s sacrifice to give his son his second chances at happiness.
For real. Not only do we get the message that Neal can be a good guy his whole life and get a crappy death as his reward, but we also get the message that Rumple can finally see the light, make the ultimate sacrifice, and then still lose his son, who he gave his life for. So I guess redemption and a happy ending really ISN’T possible for villains after all then, and Rumple’s character growth and sacrifice meant jack. Way to treat your characters with respect. *sigh*
2. Building up CaptainFire before this episode. While I do like CaptainFire it felt a little sudden in this episode–they could of shown Hook being more worried about Neal and they also could of let them have a reconciliation scene in the year back in the EF. ALso, they could of downplayed the love triangle nonsense we got in Neverland–having Hook and Neal put their differences inside to find Henry
That hug in the hospital would have been a really touching moment…if only it made sense with the recent characterisation of Hook. But it just felt weird and out of place.
5. Having Neal enact a dark ritual? I thought he hated magic—surely he would consider all paths and consequences before doing a ritual–he is Rumple’s son. He is not stupid–he knows all magic comes with a price and wouldn’t just blindly do a ritual he knows nothing about
That was pretty much character assassination right there. It’s not like Neal has never used magic before, but he doesn’t just rush into it without properly considering it, and knowing what he does about dark magic, knowing what it did to his father, it really made him look stupid to go just go ahead and do it, no questions asked. Also, would Belle have not stayed up that night and read some more about it and discovered the whole life for a life thing? They managed to make them both look careless and dumb.
Also, it appears the SWAN necklace is enchanted.
They did make a point of having Neal say in FTL that he wasn’t sure how it even survived going back there. IF by chance this death does end up being reversible, I believe that that swan pendant will be the key to how it happens. It stayed in Neal’s pocket even when all his clothes changed when they jumped worlds. He had it with him when Rumple joined them together to protect him. They had Belle say it was “born out of true love” which is the most powerful magic of all. And Neal had it on him hen Emma did her whatever magic to him to split him and Rumple apart. Basically, that little pendant is potentially a very powerful object.
OK I’ve watched it now. The thing that pisses me off is they tried to make like it was only in the moment he died that Neal realised what is was to make a selfless sacrifice. Really? The guy who has sacrificed himself how many times already for the good of others? Really?
My husband thinks it’s a total trick to set up for another exchange later on. Since it’s just so absurd in every way. Even though that would be the 2nd Bae resurrection. But you know. Makes more sense than this, to him. Giving it to a crappy writer midway. It’s just logic to him.
This is something I’m hung up on as well. A&E created Neal, every single thing about him, they freaking gave birth to that character…and then they palmed off his death to be written by one of the least experienced writers on staff…they didn’t even have Jane write it…it just does not compute…I honestly find it incredibly hard to believe that A&E would 100% create this character and then just toss his death over to another writer. If they DID do that, then I’m just seriously disappointed in them, because you’d think they’d care more about a character they created themselves, and if they treat one of those characters like that, then how am I supposed to believe that they really give a damn about the rest of the characters.
Or have I passed from anger to denial already?!!!!
Maybe it’s just because I haven’t watched it yet, but I’m totally stuck on denial, because it sounds like it was handled SO fricking poorly that I’m finding it hard to believe that A&E would actually do it, so surely there’s gonna have to be some twist later in the season.
Haven’t watched the ep yet, but from what I’ve been reading about it, I’m rather dumbfounded. Sounds like it was poorly written on multiple levels, and it makes so little sense that they would allow one of their ORIGINAL CHARACTERS, as well as the WHOLE PREMISE OF THEIR SHOW be abused like that…I’m honestly baffled.
