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This is such an excellent essay. I love it!
THAT ESSAY WINS ALL THE THINGS!!! Wow, that was seriously spot on and beautifully written. I LOVE THE SF STORY!!!
Ranisha, I’ve been thinking for a little while now that he could well be Dorothy’s son, and I love your crack theory for how he could be tied to both Neal and Emma. Son of Dorothy drawn to both the son of Rumplestintskin and the daughter of Snow and Charming, all these children of well known story book characters ending up associating with each other in our world without any conscious effort on their parts. Yes, good, I love it.
[adrotate group="5"]WORD to RG’s and slurpeez’s posts!
According to @Katman on Twitter, Gorham was on set but NOT FILMING. So now I’m confused.
Katmtan wrote on Tumblr that while Chris Gorham was on set, he was not actually in the scene being shot on Thursday night. She suggested Chris might have instead been filming with Jennifer Morrison and MRJ on Friday night. Chris reportedly left Vancouver on Saturday.
I know that Kat doesn’t typically lead us in the wrong direction, but I just can’t help but be suspicious in this instance, purely because we have the photos. Not only does he seem to be standing really close to the filming, but the pics that seem to have been taken between takes, in a couple of them, he’s actually right up in the middle of the group that’s mingling around. Typically, the director might come in to give pointers to the actors, and other crew might come up to adjust stuff before the next take, but would Gorham really stroll up right into the middle of the group of actors in the scene if he was just hanging out? That’s not exactly professional for him to stroll up to socialise between takes when they’re working, is it? If he’s in the scene and wants to hear what’s being said about it between takes, to know if he’s gotta do something different himself, then the mingling would make sense. It just seems strange. Also, maybe it’s just me, but I wouldn’t have been out there that night unless I HAD to be, because all reports suggest that it was EFFING FREEZING and they worked well past midnight. Why would anyone CHOOSE to be there just for the helluvit when they could be tucked up nice and warm in bed instead?
Using the term “fired” is inappropriate and misleading. For example, someone may have signed a two year leading actor contract which gives them benefits etc. We have no idea from which side the choice to kill off a character came from, the actor/actress, or the producers.
Well said!
Maybe there’s a plan to get people to stop asking for spoilers by making the spoilers people do get horrible. What actually occurs in the context of the show might not be as bad as people are currently assuming. Have hope.
LOL They know we’re masochists, so they’re giving it to us in spades. 😛 I wasn’t thrilled about the idea of PapaPan, but ended up loving how they did it. Don’t see how they could make WW into Rumple’s child in a way I’d like it though, for the reasons RG mentioned.
Wow! Will Rose McGowan be appearing in OUAT the parent show, or in the spin-off OUATinWL?
Parent show, the article specifies she’ll be in ep 18.
So long as the baby isn’t Rumple’s, then ok.
In my headcanon, Oscar Diggs’ traveling circus stopped in Cora’s village, she went along, he scammed her with his future telling act and told her she’d find love and a better life, so she fell for him, and then the circus left town and she was left behind heartbroken and pregnant. The baby went looking for her parents when she was grown up, and that’s how WW ended up in Oz, where her father had since become the Wizard. (For a theory I’m not even 100% in love with, I’ve got a pretty detailed headcanon. LOL) I do not want Rumple to be WW’s father.
It does feel very retconn-y unless the come up with some sort of miracle explanation for Cora’s attitude in S1 and 2.
I actually think Cora’s attitude with Regina would fit if she was forced into giving up a child she had before Regina. Having lost the first one, she kept an iron clad grip on Regina so she wouldn’t lose her as well. It could also play into her lust for power and riches, because that way if she had another child, she wouldn’t have to give it up like the first one.
Anyway, I also wouldn’t mind WW being Cora’s sister, though they’d have to explain her lack of aging.
I’d love her to be Maleficent’s sister (WWW had a sister who had a house dropped on her, and Maleficent had a library dropped on her), but I don’t wanna get my hopes up about getting more Maleficent. And I dunno how Young Cora could be worked into a backstory that relates to Maleficent.
And Henry’s meant to be getting two more on his family tree, so WW is probably one, and whoever her father is would be the other.
Laurel, that’s what Kat said, but then we got pics of him standing VERY close to them filming the scene where Regina walks up. I’m not sure why he’d have been there after midnight, in the cold, standing that close to the filming, if he was just hanging out for the helluvit to visit the set.
At the very least, I hope that if they are sisters then Regina is unaware of her, otherwise it’s like, “Oh- by the way- meet my wicked sister whom I have not made any mention of to anyone before this point.”
Yeah I hope so too. That’s why I thought up my little theory that Cora had a baby when she was still poor and working the mill, and she had to give the baby away because she couldn’t afford to look after it. Perfectly acceptable to believe that Regina would have never known about that.
If WW really does end up being related to Regina, I do think it’s something they’ve had in mind for a while now. Regina’s line about “even if it turns me green” was probably very deliberate, and the same could also be said for the Oz anvils used to try and mis-direct who Whale was gonna be.
Its interesting too how people diminish the importance of the fact that Emma loves Neal. It’s not a one-sided thing, nor ever was.
The same people who diminish that fact also misinterpret her line about having hoped he was really dead.
She kept that pendant, the bug, and a flame of hope. That’s the phrase J.Mo’s used talking about Emma with various guys, and if you ask me, its a kind of imagery of love as fire that the writers have used with the relationship between Neal and Emma. They “Rekindled” their feelings as he fell in the portal, they said. These guys are writers. Baelfire. Flame of Hope. Rekindle.
Don’t forget Phoenix. How many notable city names in the US, and they chose the one that’s the name of a mythical firebird that rises from the ashes.
Emma doesn’t wish Neal to be dead. She wishes, if anything, that she could be stronger and less afraid of losing him. Notice what Emma does at the start of the season. She’s doing pull-ups. Strengthening her arms. How did she lose Neal? She physically could not pull his body weight up out of the portal.
Yes! She blames herself for not having been strong enough to pull him out and now she’s trying to compensate. Urgh, saddest pull ups ever.
Anyway, when Hook tells Emma he’s never seen her fail, it struck me as kind of funny because not only HAS he seen her fail (and most epically rubbed it in by calling her dried up, dead useless), Emma knows she’s failed other times too. She’s no Peter Pan, let’s put it that way. She failed to save Neal, Graham, and as I said that time in the cell. Snow saved the day there, and Emma knows it. I know he was giving her some positivity, and she did need some positive thinking, but more she needed courage to face loss and keep going. The important thing isn’t that Emma never fails. The important thing is that even where she’s failed, she’s picked herself up and kept fighting back.
We also have Neal telling her, “Don’t worry about it, you’ll figure it out. If there’s one thing I know about you, you don’t stop until you find what you’re looking for.” Similar to what Hook said, but also different. The way Neal said it wasn’t, “you’re invincible and never fail” it was “you’re persistent, no matter if you get knocked down along the way, you always get there in the end,” which is more realistic, believable, and encouraging of a sentiment.
It is even funnier, when Emma did sort of fail to get Henry off the island, because without Regina, she would have been stuck on that tree. Regina broke free and pulled out Pan, and without Neal, they wouldn’t have left that island. Regina’s magic made that shadow-sail, and it was Neal’s idea. The three of them, Henry’s parents rescued him.
And I love that! Team SwanFireQueen FTW.
