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Iām just a loyal OUAT viewer- Donāt normally look at spoilers (until now!) and been seeing a few comments in this thread about what a casual viewer might think about the CSF love triangle. Just wanted to let you all know that until episode 5 (the CS kiss), I didnāt realize there was a love triangle- just thought that Emma and Neal NEEDED to find each other in Neverland and how tragic it was that she thought he was still dead. To me, I always thought Emma and Neal were endgame but canāt be together yet becauseā¦ well most shows donāt put their endgame couple together without a few obstacles.
That’s pretty much how I’d figured the casual viewers would see the show, but it’s good to actually hear from someone who has actually been oblivious to any influence of the ship thing.
PS. Once you start on spoilers, they’re hard to quit. I thought I’d just peek at one little spoiler one time, and now spoilers are like air, I neeeeeed them. Don’t say you weren’t warned. LOL
And my mom and I watched all of season 3 over the holiday break (she hadnāt seen any season 3 episodes so we had a OUAT marathon!) and my mom had actually forgotten a lot of info from season 2 and somehow got it in her mind that Neal and Emma were married- she kept calling Neal Emmaās husband (lol).
Your mum doesn’t happen to be at all psychic, does she? š
What I really wanted to see was Nealās little conversation with Henry once Emma started heading towards the bug. I love that father-son relationship, and wish they had shown what Neal told Henry, but I imagine Neal said āDonāt worry buddy- Iāll find you and your mom. Family always finds each otherā. I know Neal was trying to keep things light so Henry would not get too worried. I think that it was so brave and selfless of Neal to do that so Henry could have hope to see him again. After watching the episode again I noticed that as Regina was telling Emma about escaping the curse and Snow is telling her that she has touched the lives of everyone there is a brief shot of Neal and his face as he is registering that Emma and Henry are leaving him. To me, there seems like panic in his eyes about losing the two people he loves most, but you can almost tell he is formulating some sort of plan right there to see them again.
Love your idea about what Neal would have said to Henry. He knew what Henry and Emma did and didn’t need in that moment, and he was gonna do whatever he could to try and make it even a teeny bit easier.
After Regina and Emma have been talking, and then Henry has to leave Neal’s side and walk over to his mothers, right after letting him go, Neal sorta half turns around to look over his shoulder for a moment. I think it was one of those instances where you have to look away for a moment if you want any hope of keeping your composure. If Neal just watched his kid walking away from him, he wouldn’t be able to deal, but he couldn’t break down in that moment because he had to stay strong for both Henry and Emma, so he had to turn his head away, just for that moment.
ETA something I realised right when I hit submit. Neal not being able to watch Henry walk away is similar to how Emma couldn’t look at newborn Henry. Both of them knew that if they looked in that moment, they wouldn’t be able to let him go.
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I guess that brings me to my favorite SF moment of 311. Obviously the goodbye at the road. At the moment Emma needed hope the most, it was Neal who gave it to her. To declarations of undying love or pressure to remember him or anything too sentimental. He gave her the gift of hope.
And what do all happy endings begin with. Just sayin’.
And also, the fact that despite the fact that she has no connection to the city, somehow Emma ended up in NYC playing Charlieās Girl.
The title for 3Ć11 is āGoing Homeā because the reversal of the curse meant everybody got sent home. And where did Emma end up? In NYC, the same place Neal recently called home. Why not Boston where Emma was living prior to SB? Because home is wherever Nealās home is. That fact that Emma ended up in Manhattan even when cursed, plus the fact that she was listening to the same song Neal was in āBrokenā really makes me SF is meant to be. Thatās my theory, and Iām sticking with it.
Yep! Home is a big thing for SF. That’s what Tallahassee was gonna be for them. A real home is what they’d both longed for all their lives. And in the ep Going Home, two thirds of the SF Family ended up making their home in the city that the other third of the family had made his home. Emma’s tagline on her promo poster was about a lost girl finding her way home, and over the course of this season we’ve seen her seeing Neal reunite with his father, which made her reflect on her own reunion with her own parents. She found home in them, and then she lost it all, but she ended up where Neal’s home had been. None of this is coincidence.
Ginny’s probably gonna be uber pregnant around Paley time. If she (and by extension Josh) isn’t traveling, then that’s automatically 2 of the main cast who wouldn’t be there, so I wonder if that influenced the decision at all. I know there are plenty of other cast who would be there, (and they never have enough time to let everyone speak properly as it is), so it wouldn’t really matter if Gosh were missing, but there’s probably some contractual obligation thing going on, because Gosh are always pimped by getting the prime seats at the head of the panels at these sorts of events.
Anyway, as bummed as I am about OUAT not being there, I’m still looking forward to the LOST reunion. Wonder who’ll be there for that one.
Yeah, just saw the lineup, (article here), that’s a bummer that our guys won’t be there again.
As for Hookās fatherā¦.*sigh* I used to be one of the people who would defend Hook when people would say that he was lying to Baelfire. Now..not so much. I think he lied. The Naval Officer we met in 305 was not a man haunted and traumatized by the abandonment of a parent. He was far tooā¦emotionally well adjusted if that makes sense. I think the writers decided to change tactics in order to serve the dreamshade arc so they threw PapaJones out the window and hope no one would notice.
I hadn’t been convinced either way before 305, but yeah, now I’m thinking the story about his father is officially a lie. Neither Killian or Liam appeared to be suffering from the parental abandonment angst that Hook was telling Bae he’d experienced. Maybe they had originally planned to go the abandoning father route for his backstory and just changed their minds to allow for the dead brother conversation between Hook and Charming and the dreamshade storyline, or maybe it was just always a lie, but either way it doesn’t really matter, because it’s believable that he’d have made the story up just to get to Bae.
From Sean Maguire’s wife…
@sean_m_maguire And I are Packing for the cold weather in Vancouver… You know what that means #outlawqueen #hoodies #robinhoodreturns
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Hey everyone Iām Di! Iām mostly on tumblr (under this same username) but Iāve really wanted a place to have involved convos about SF and thatās really hard to do on the tumblr format & someone recently shared a link to this forum so here I am! š
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Love triangles are awful but TVD has to top the poll of worst/most crushing love triangle ever for me personally. God help us if the CSF triangle ever reaches even half of what the TVD one has.
I googled the TVD one before, and on the show’s Wikia, there’s actually a whole section for the Love Triangles, and there’s 4 of them, and 2 of them involve the same 2 guys just with a different girl in each triangle, and it just made me wanna *HEADDESK* before even reading about them individually. LOL
Ok, first I just want to say as a CSer, THANK YOU for the last few posts ā I know itās gotten a little tense during the hiatus but this is what I really like about this forum ā we can have conversations about characters even when were on our different āships ā which I think makes watching the show even better.
I think there’s a common misconception that if someone doesn’t ship CS, they think that Hook is a waste of space and isn’t worth having on the show. (Same could probably be said about Neal and people who don’t ship SF.) And while that may be true in some cases, it’s most definitely not true in all. Those of us who don’t ship Hook with Emma just have a different perspective on the character, and still have plenty of insightful thoughts about him. If there’s a ship discussion going on, I’m prone to end up neck deep in it, pointing out Hook’s flaws as I see them, but just because I see him as being more flawed than a CS shipper might in certain cases, and want to hold him accountable for his actions in a different way, that doesn’t mean that I’m automatically hating on the character or that I’ve written him off.
Do we have one of these for Nealfire? Cause Iād love more perspective on him.
It hasn’t been posted in for almost a year, but there’s a Baelfire thread. And there’s also a CaptainFire thread.
Anywho, @Phee ā excellent points. The arc has been a little too neat, I will give you that. But I think itās just the beginning.
I hope so, because like I said, there’s far more they could do with him. I know his tagline for this season was about believing that a pirate can be a hero, and I know that many people do now consider him a hero. I’m not one of those people, because as I said in my previous post, I think he’s still largely selfishly motivated, and a true hero doesn’t do something good in the hopes that it will get him a reward and/or into a woman’s good graces, he just does it because it’s the right thing to do. He certainly has hero potential, but I don’t think it’s been realised yet, but I wouldn’t expect it to be realised yet, because all characters need to be truly tested and have to work at it before they’re granted that big hero moment as the crescendo for their redemption arc, like we saw happen with Rumple and Regina in 311.
Technically, like stated, itās been 5 days. I think once you make the decision to change, the first few days are the easiest ā like New Years resolutions! Once that initial āhighā of making a change in yourself is over and reality sets in, that change becomes a lot more difficult and if they donāt show that with Hook it 1) wonāt feel real and 2) will be boring as all get-out.
He’s obviously changed his focus, he’s obviously felt a change of heart, but I dunno that I can say I see him as having “changed” yet. His major “change” was going from Navy man to pirate, and he’ll never be that same Navy man again, just like Rumple will never be the poor, scared man again, and Regina will never be the innocent girl with pure and simple desires again, but he can still embrace part of the good man he used to be way back then as his redemption progresses.
One thing he’s always been, for better or worse, is dedicated to a singular cause. As a Navy man he was 100% straight laced, obeyed the rules, the man didn’t even drink. Then in the blink of an eye he went 100% rogue. Many people thought that change was TOO fast, and as such it wasn’t believable. But if you consider how, (for want of a better term) “one eyed” he can be, I don’t find it completely unbelievable that the loss of Liam caused him to flip the switch that quickly. Then came Milah’s death, and again, instant, one eyed goal to fixate on with the revenge. So I don’t consider it out of character that he flipped the switch again with the kiss and became all about Emma. It bugs me that it happened during a storyline when I think they could have had him doing more interesting stuff instead (like RG said, he’s Captain Hook in NL and we barely even saw him interact with Pan), but I don’t consider it out of character, nor do I consider it unbelievable that he still wants Emma just as much a year later.
Now, I’m not saying that when he flips those switches it’s a hollow thing (which is why I wanted a better term than “one eyed” because it sorta has that hollow connotation), because each time it’s happened, it’s been emotionally motivated. The loss of his brother, the loss of his love, and the realisation that he can move on and love again – all very emotionally loaded situations. I’m just saying, this thing where he suddenly gets himself fixated on a particular goal/ideal is how he deals with life. He’s gotta find a balance if he’s ever gonna be truly satisfied in life, but before he can find that balance, he has to find the courage to let go of his one eyed way of thinking and lessen his grip on having to be in control.
That was one of my biggest issues with 3A. So much of his story (including interactions with PETER PAN! I mean COME ON! This is Captain Hook in NL and he barely interacted with PAN at all!!!!!!!) was swept aside.
I am praying to every deity that there will be more flashbacks of Hook in NL in the not too distant future, because WORD. All we know is that he did some dirty work for Pan and there was some incident that resulted in the death of Rufio, and frankly, that’s just not a satisfying amount of storytelling when it comes to Captain fricking Hook’s history with Peter fricking Pan.
Now, I get that the Hook/Pan stuff got sidelined so they could focus on the Rumple/Pan stuff instead, and I loved the Rumple/Pan stuff and wouldn’t want to have seen that sidelined at all, but imagine if the triangle – actually, let’s make it a rhombus – had been Rumple/Pan/Hook/Neal. Rumple and Pan have their many issues. Hook has a centuries long vendetta that he pretty much had to give up on, but you can’t tell me that part of him wouldn’t have been tempted to keep at it and achieve his goal if there was an underhanded way to do it. So maybe Pan tries to get Hook to work with him again (and we could see how they’d worked together before) against Rumple, because they both hate Rumple’s guts. Then Neal shows up, and if Hook ever had genuine affection for him as a kid, that could affect his desire to keep trying to off Rumple, because at the end of the day, Hook doesn’t want to destroy Neal’s family all over again, especially now when Neal’s on the verge of finally being able to reconcile with his father. But Pan, having worked with Hook before, has a certain amount of control over him and poses a real threat to him, so what does Hook do? Does he give in and play along with Pan again, because OMG does he wanna kill Rumple and he’ll have wasted centuries if he doesn’t achieve his revenge. Or does he do some soul searching, and defy and double cross Pan, (Hook revels in playing both sides), possibly putting his life in danger in the process, and ultimately end up helping to save Rumple and restore Neal’s family? That would have given us Hook/Pan stuff, Hook/Neal stuff, Rumple/Neal stuff, Rumple/Pan stuff, and some juicy material for Colin to sink his teeth into which would have resulted in some gritty character exploration. Instead we just got him puffing out his chest to try and win the girl. Like I said though, hopefully that’s just one step in a longer journey they have planned for him.
LOL The actor who plays Maurice is Australian!
No, he’s not. He lived here briefly, but he’s not an Aussie…
Born in St. Stephen, New Brunswick, he grew up in London, Ontario, with a year and a half in Brisbane, Australia. He apprenticed at the Stratford Festival after graduating from the University of Windsor. Now living near Vancouver, British Columbia, he and his wife, Peg, became naturalized US citizens after living in Los Angeles and in upstate Washington for many years.
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0444776/?ref_=tt_cl_t12
