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WE ARE LIKE IN SYNCH PHEE.
😆 Love that you went for that quote even before reading the rest of my post. *high five*
[adrotate group="5"]He’s the one who feeds her and invites her to be their guest. (I HAD TO)
LOL 😉
If you read the character summary for him on the Disney Wikia, I could see them taking his traits but twisting it around to make him part of the French household instead…
Lumière is a kind-hearted, yet rebellious, servant of the Beast. He has a habit of disobeying his master’s rules that results in controversy, but after Belle, he is arguably the Beast’s closest friend, demonstrated when the Beast often turns to Lumière and no one else for advice. His free-spirited and rebellious personality also often puts a severe strain on his friendship with Cogsworth, whom prefers to abide strictly by his master’s rules so as to avoid any trouble for himself and anyone else, but as shown many times in the game and film series, he values Cogsworth like a brother.
Maybe he was sort of an uncle figure to Belle, either biologically or just a close friend of Mo’s, and maybe he helped to raise her after her mother died. Maybe “Uncle Lou” is where Belle gets her rebel side from. He’d encourage her to think big, and Mo would scold him for putting ideas in her head.
We never got any news about who had been cast as Lumiere, did we?
I was thinking about the CaptainSwanFire triangle and about love triangles in general and in every triangle involving two guys and a girl, there is always the “nice guy” and the “bad boy”. In the case of CSF, Hook is the “bad boy” and Neal is the “nice guy”.
It’s a total trope. I’ve got a friend who is just a casual viewer, and she got caught up on S3 recently and then tweeted about CS and I joked, “I dunno if we can be friends any more.” 😛 She laughed and said she just always sides with the bad boy in a love triangle, (she also loves a love triangle, TVD is her fave show which I haven’t seen, but I understand that show does a love triangle like WHOA).
How quickly they fell in step with one another after their first reunion. The trust they have in each other. How they got each other’s back.
ALL of what Schmacky said, but this is an important point IMO. She claimed in the bar that she kept the swan pendant to remind her to never trust anyone again, (an obvious lie), and then a few days later she was trusting him to take Henry back to NYC with him for safe keeping. There’s no denying that they have many issues, but this was before Emma had had time to properly process all of that, and still, despite their past, she trusted Neal with Henry’s life, and trusting your child’s life in someone’s hands is about the most major thing you can trust someone with. There are some people in life, where no matter how long you go without seeing them, when you do see them again, you just fall back into step with them. That’s SF.
I love how he sticks his face in her neck and hair as he says goodbye, and how lost she looks, knowing the separation ahead, the thing she feared would happen, that other shoe dropping, happening. I love how confident he was though that it wasn’t over.
Seriously, right when her parents had started to get through to her that the good moments can happen, this happens instead, to prove her doomsday mindset. But he told her this wasn’t the end, and we know that he’ll be proven right and they will see each other again. Reminds me a bit of the Snowing conversation where he said they always find each other and she said that they’re always losing each other too, so maybe that’s their fate. There may be a lot of parental stuff that Snowing really did miss out on offering to Emma, but there are still things they know about better than she does, and the power of love to endure anything, despite the bumps in the road, is one of those things they’re experts in.
As much as I love Rumple, I think Belle deserves a backstory in S3; Rumple has already had 2 character-centric episodes (3×4 and 3×8)! While I’d love Rumple to be in the FB or present-day in 3×15, I want to see Belle at the helm this time. It’s been a long time since “The Outsider” and then the disaster of Lacey that ensued. Belle deserves her own story outside of 3×7, which she played a significant role in but didn’t feature in any backstories.
Agreed, we’re definitely due for a Belle-centric. Of course Rumple will play a role in that, but I’m kinda hoping he’s not even in the ep a huge amount. From what we’ve seen, Belle was the only person in the castle with Rumple, (when he didn’t have anyone to torture) so I think Lumiere may end up being someone from Belle’s household, instead of Rumple’s.
Someone at some point in some context needs to refer to Robin as being a fox. Sly as a fox, or a stone cold fox, whatever, he just needs to be referred to as a freaking fox.
As for the dynamic of Regal Hood/Outlaw Queen, it will be interesting to see how Regina reacts to Roland. I think she might be standoffish at first. She’s separated from her own son and in the past has latched on to others kids (e.g. Hansel and Gretel and Owen). She might not want to bond with a child for awhile. But who knows. No idea what way this storyline is going.
They’ve set up a really interesting dynamic by having Roland in the picture. I could see Regina being standoff-ish and actively resistant around kids in the time immediately after losing Henry. But then I could also see some pure, innocent, out of the mouths of babes moment from Roland that will blast through her defenses. Maybe something goes really wrong for her, or she’s just having a moment of feeling really down, and he says something positive to her, and she’s reminded of how little Henry was the only one who believed in her, and that could cause her to reflect on the man who raised Roland to be the good kid he is.
So favorite SF moment from 310?
I think mine is Neal asking Emma to lunch. I know many found it pushy but I didn’t. He didn’t actually use the word date, she did. He just said they should eat and talk, which is something they should do no matter what. They have a lot to discuss. Plus…PUPPY face Neal. 🙂 Dat smile.
And Emma’s little smile too, when he was ensuring her there was no pressure with the lunch “date”. She found the puppy just as adorable as the rest of us did. 😉
My daughter had this book, called “Apples and Oranges, going bananas with pairs.” It takes two things like say, how are a motorcycle and a bike alike? Then the page shows a picture of these two things in a bank with the caption “They both don’t work in a bank.” I feel a bit like that’s the level of comparison we’re dealing with. Lots of things are similar in some ways and different in others and without putting much thought into it, anyone can twist scenes to seem like they’re telling a story they aren’t really intended by the writers to tell.
Agreed.
Now that they’re back filming, I’m hoping we might get some fresh tidbits (not even shippy tidbits) to speculate over instead.
I for one have always believed that Pan played a much larger part in the events we’ve seen than we actually got on screen. Think about it: if Pan had never told Liam and Kilian about the dreamshade (that it was dangerous), the brothers would have collected it, gone home, given it to their king. Killian may never have become disillusioned and loss hope (his words) thus turned pirate.
He still may have turned against the King. We know that Killian didn’t approve of what the King could have done with the poison, so if they’d taken the dreamshade back, (being unaware that it was poison because the Liam incident didn’t happen), the King had used it to kill 1000s of people, Killian would have been just as angry at the King, and also angry at himself for having played a part in his getting the poison. Same situation as what led to him becoming a pirate, just on a grander scale in the sense that there would be 1000s of deaths he feels some responsibility for, instead of just one person in his brother, (Pan told him he’d goaded his brother into doing it, so Killian partially blamed himself for what happened to Liam).
So fate had probably damned Killian Jones to turn dark one way or the other, which means he was fated to be the man he was when he met Milah, which means she was fated to be attracted to him and leave Rumple for him.
The whole reason his S3 arc works for me is because I think until now, he’s never really known his true self — he’s no longer the wide eyed, innocent naval officer, and for the most part, kinda makes a crappy pirate. The real Killian Jones lies somewhere in between. He’s not becoming the man he once was – he was pretty much just a boy when he lost his brother. He’s becoming the man he wants to be – and for him, that’s a man of honor.
I think he’s known his true self, because there was a time when he had been that person, back in his Navy days. That sense of self has been buried for a long time, but the memory if it is still in there. Which is why his S3 arc hasn’t really been convincing to me yet, because it’s only been a week, and you don’t magically revert to being your better self after a couple centuries of being the complete opposite. I don’t want him insta-redeemed yet though, I want him to have a full and complex story arc, so if this is just the start of it, then that’s fine.
I don’t see his role in S3 so far as having been selfless hero type stuff. He’s trying to help people, but not necessarily for the right reasons, and we’ve seen similar things with Regina and Rumple as well.
Regina wanted Henry for herself, (she’d seen him as her shot at redemption ever since he came into her life, and was the only person in all the realms who believed in her), and did whatever she deemed necessary to try and make that happen. She even helped the Charmings out a time or two, but one or two incidents of helping didn’t instantly erase her whole history of bad deeds and therefore it didn’t get her what she wanted. Eventually, she accepted that doing whatever to get Henry all for herself wasn’t what she was supposed to be doing after all. She accepted that because of who she was, and what she’d done, her price for that was to be selfless for a change and let go of her obsessive grip on Henry. She eventually accepted that that thing she’d had her sights set on, having Henry for herself, wasn’t a thing she should have been fixated on after all.
Rumple wanted to reunite with Bae, and did a helluva lot of dodgy stuff to try and make that happen. Reuniting with his son was meant to be his redemption, because it would make up for having let him go, but when they were face to face, Rumple realised that it wasn’t that easy. Finding a way back to him wasn’t enough to erase all the bad deeds that came beforehand. Going to NL to help save Henry wasn’t enough to prove to Neal that he’d changed. Eventually, Rumple accepted that he’d have to do the brave and selfless thing. He did it in NL when he confronted Pan and ended up trapped in the Box, and he did it again when he sacrificed his own life to protect the others. He eventually accepted that that thing he’d had his sights on, his happy ending with his son, wasn’t a thing he should have been so fixated on after all.
The moral of the story in both of those cases is that you can’t achieve true redemption if you’re selfishly motivated. The attempts at good deeds along the way won’t pay off unless and until you surrender your grip, “let go and let God,” as they say.
Which brings me to how I see Hook’s story at the moment. He saved Charming’s life, which you can’t argue was a bad thing to do, because saving someone’s life if you’re able is a good thing to do. But what motivated him to do it? When Charming asked him that very question, why he’d saved him when there wasn’t anything in it for him personally, he responded with, “Oh, I didn’t do it for you, mate. ;-)” Helping to save Henry, he was motivated to turn his ship around in no small part due to remembering how things had ended with Bae, but then we got the scene in S3 where Charming flat out said that he knew Hook was there for Emma, which I find disappointing because I feel like it’s a major missed opportunity for them to have delved into the complexities of Hook and Neal’s relationship with each other, but I digress. So what we got when Hook denied being there in NL for selfish reasons was Charming saying point blank, “Please, you’re not here out of any nobility, you’re here for Emma,” and Hook’s expression confirmed that Emma was a major motivator for him.
I think a similar thing is happening at the end of 311. He’s there because they all need Emma back, and he’s helping out for the greater good, which is a good thing to do, but it’s not like he isn’t hoping for some personal gain out of Emma coming back as well, as evidenced by the kiss.
If they’re gonna follow the pattern they have with Rumple and Regina, Hook’s still got a journey of eventual letting go of selfish motivations ahead of him before he’s actually redeemed.
In the past, he made a snap decision to turn pirate and he’s been a pirate ever since, and like JennaB said, he’s not necessarily the most successful pirate there ever was. Then he made a snap decision to avenge Milah’s death and kill Rumple. That led to centuries of angst for him, and then he ended up dropping the revenge plot, and now Rumple’s dead (as far as they’re concerned) and it wasn’t by Hook’s hand, so that whole centuries long vendetta thing didn’t really pay off in a satisfying way for him. And now he’s made a snap decision, (he said himself it was the kiss that really did it, he’d always been attracted to her, but the kiss sealed the deal for him), that he loves Emma. Judging by his past actions, it’s in character for him to become fixated on an ideal.
Judging by his past actions, that attitude hasn’t made him a better man. If he ever wants to truly return to the man he was before his pirate days, he has to let go of the grip he’s had of feeling in control since the moment he turned pirate, (control that has its roots in how helpless and responsible he felt in the case of his brother’s death, he doesn’t just behave the way he does for the helluvit, it comes from a place of serious emotional pain).
I think the situation they’ve set up is for the purpose of leading him to a moment where he does let go of the control in the situation with Emma, because that’s the truly brave and selfless thing to do, just like Regina and Rumple before him. He’s still trying to force the issue with Emma. In NL he insisted he would win her heart. In SB he tried to manipulate that process by attempting to make her jealous. In NYC he took it upon himself to kiss her even though she didn’t know who he was.
If he’s successful in having Emma remember, and reuniting her with everyone, (safe to say that’s gonna happen), that will include her remembering her recent history with Neal and being near him again. I think this could be a big thing for Hook, because in bringing those two back together, (in the mere sense that they’ll be around each other again), it means he won’t have Emma all to himself, he’ll have to let go of the control a bit, and let whatever’s gonna happen happen. Being able to do that could be a vital piece of character development for him.
As someone who has always enjoyed Hook, I’ve been enjoying him less so in the recent eps, because I feel like on the surface of it, he’s being reduced to a one note character, which I find disappointing because I’ve always thought there’s much more depth to him, (and Colin is capable of portraying that depth in a compelling way, which we saw especially at the end of S2 with the Bae flashbacks). So I’ve done a lot of thinking about the character to try and see how this perceived one note-ness might be just a smaller part of his larger characterisation and story arc.
Anyone recognise the window behind Gosh in that photo? Guess they were shooting both indoor and outdoor stuff, unless JMo’s photo of trees was just random and not shooting-related?
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— Raphael Sbarge (@RaphaelSbarge) January 7, 2014
