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That’d be a very disturbing message, that suicide is a way to rejoin a dead loved one.
Isn’t suicide what we’re already dealing with for Rumple’s story this season though? His goal in life now is to figure out how to get himself mortal specifically so he can die and get back to Belle. Even if all the years instantly catch up to him when he relinquishes the Dagger and he drops dead right away, that’s still him committing suicide. Disturbing message or not, his story is that he’s making a concerted effort to see that his life comes to an end ASAP so he can see Belle again.
And he helped wake Regina up by giving her the adoption papers, (he didn’t have to give her any legit information, but he did), and now she owes him one. And if his only desire now is to be mortal and die, then having Regina’s help with that is the only motivation he could have for helping her wake up. However she helps him in his plan, it makes her complicit in his death. And after seeing how anti-killing she is now in her conversation with Drizella (which happened in the same ep as her coming to owe Rumple something), she wouldn’t want to be responsible for someone’s death, so probably wouldn’t be jazzed about hurrying his death along in any way.
They’re all about the nostalgic callbacks this season, and a “Please” from Rumple to gain Regina’s reluctant help in accomplishing his final goal really would be quite a poetic end to their relationship.
[adrotate group="5"]I thought it was strange she didn’t kill Anastasia–it would be the ultimate revenge on her mother.
That’s too easy though. It’s far more fun to have Anastasia kept in limbo, with her mother endlessly suffering over Anastasia being kept in limbo. Her favourite daughter is so close, yet still completely out of reach. That’s the ultimate punishment. It’s even better if this Curse somehow gave Tremaine some fresh #hope that Anastasia could be saved, when actually Drizella is doing everything she can to make that impossible for her mother to achieve. That’s like a neverending torture every single day for Tremaine.
eager to get even with the evil sorceress who has kept her spellbound and imprisoned for years.
Sounds like Hook’s storyline will end up tying into the main storyline of the show then. I know a lot of people have been feeling like it’s disjointed at the moment, but if his daughter ends up going after the Witch who is helping the person who cast the Curse, then it’s all gonna tie together eventually.
The question becomes how is a sorcerer who is just beginning to know magic figuring this out. It took Rumple over 150 years to figure this out and we are now saying some young girl who just learned magic will figure it out in about 10. I think this is where the witch comes in, maybe she became the evil teacher who helps Ivy develop and cast the curse.
Drizella’s got a bit of a head start though, because Regina was basically spelling out what she did and how it went wrong. I imagine she’ll find the Witch when she’s hunting for this infamous Dark Curse that Regina had used. The Witch will set Drizella on the right track to find out all about the Dark Curse, and then Drizella can spend a few years ironing out the kinks that made it “fail” for Regina.
Even though it’s no doubt some horrible consequence like Henry and/or Lucy dying, I just love how brilliant Drizella was to plan this part of the Curse out.
How does breaking a curse cause someone to die? What if the curse is the only thing keeping them alive? Like, what if Driz killed Henry right before casting the curse, and then had the curse create a phantom version of him? Like, it’s really HIM, but he’s still just a construct of the curse?
I dunno about it not really being actual Henry, but I wouldn’t rule out something that involves the Curse keeping Henry alive. I mean, it now seems like Drizella is gonna try essentially the same Curse the Regina did, which needed the heart of the thing Regina loved most. If Drizella loves no one, then she can’t sacrifice anyone, but if she’s piggybacking on Regina’s old Curse, maybe the heart of the one Regina loves most would still work, and so Henry’s heart gets used, and that ties his survival to the survival of the Curse…somehow…because reasons…maybe. We’ve already got Anastasia still barely hanging onto life because of some magic, so maybe something similar was used to keep Henry barely hanging onto life as long as the Curse exists.
Really liked a lot about this ep. It had some big reveals, but much of it was also about character, and not for the first time this season. Here’s #hoping that this trend of actual character exploration rather than just plot, plot, OMG SO MUCH PLOT continues, because it’s making this season so much more enjoyable than the show has been in years.
I’ve been saying since ep 1 that Drizella cast the Curse, but dang even I didn’t expect her to go this dark. So even as someone who wasn’t shocked by the reveal that it was her Curse, it still surprised me, and I loved it.
About Rumple making a deal with Regina, and people worried about him backsliding…I think the favour she owes him is gonna be to kill him. That’s his whole goal this season, to die and get back to Belle, so someone’s gonna have to kill him, and he’s putting faith in Regina being able to do it for him. It’ll reflect nicely on her insistance in this ep that murder is a NOPE when training Drizella, if in the end Rumple tells her that this is what she owes him. It’d actually be perfect if she’s protesting and saying she doesn’t kill any more, and Rumple just pauses, looks at her, and says, “Please.”
I think Ivy just enjoys the knowledge that Victoria is running around town, plotting and planning and thinking she’s a Big Bad, when really Ivy knows everything and is secretly running the show and upending her plans.
In ep1, Tremaine was all, “If you’re going to be a Princess you need to understand what real power looks like. Magic isn’t power, because magic can be taken. But fear, fear lasts forever.” She even called it a “teaching moment” for Drizella, this situation where she’d clipped the wings of someone powerful, and then destroyed them.
I can imagine a parallel scene at some point in present day where Ivy is leering at a stunned and cowering Victoria, gloating about how she managed to undermine all of her power and being all, “You taught me so well, mother.”
However if I recalled the Princess in the Princess and the Frog Grimm version did not want a prince however simply wanted her beloved prize golden ball which she she made pact with the Frog to obtain it for her.
Yup, she made a deal with a frog to fetch her golden ball out of a pond on the condition that she let him eat off her plate and sleep on her pillow. After she got the ball back, she blew him off. Eventually she let him eat off her plate and sleep on her pillow for 3 nights, and that broke his curse and turned him back into a Prince.
So they took the thing of her being a Princess, and the association with a single golden valuable object, and used that as part of the show’s version.
It probably doesn’t help that we haven’t gotten much from her in flashbacks. Really just 701 and 703, so far. We especially need to see her and Henry’s relationship develop more, if we’re to believe that they’re true love and had a child together.
The fact that there’s still a lot of flashback time to fill in is what gives me some #hope that the character may improve. There’s about a decade between when she and Henry met and when the Curse happened, so there’s opportunity for development. I can fanwank that the Curse made her revert to the worst version of herself, which is why she’s becoming increasingly annoying in present day. As long as she learns and grows from her experience with the Resistance, and from being around Regina giving her pep talks from experience, Ella could grow into a stronger character in the flashbacks. They need to make this happen, and quickly, because the more we see of Jacinda, the harder it will be to win us over with Ella.
If she is Mother Gothel, and they go the Tangled route, then the Witch is quite old and is looking for a way to stay young.
Magic that’s kept a child in stasis for many years would probably come in handy for that, huh.
That’s probably what her special tea was for, some sort of stay young potion. But to be able to have that power as an inate part of her, she needs whatever magic is keeping Anastasia young.
Back when Anastasia was dying, Victoria heard about a witch with the power to remain young. So she enslaved Gothel to force her to give up her magic to save Anastasia, and has had her in shackles ever since. Gothel has teamed up with Drizella in a play to get her magic back. Drizella can empathise with Gothel, because she wants to be free of her mother’s shackles too, which is why they’re now working together.
And because that ramble had nothing to do with what this thread is actually about, I’ll say that Eloise drew a window in a tower, as though drawn from the inside looking out, which I’m taking as confirmation that Hook’s kid is Rapunzel.
