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ParticipantPretty much yeah but the main thing that is being forgotten is that both Emma and Neal were yelling at each other and that Neal’s first reaction wasn’t yelling. The yelling is a good 2 mins into the scene.
If someone seriously wanted to compare the scenes, I guess they could say that both guys were initially happy to see her, and they ended up getting yelled at/kicked in the balls by her and that’s sorta similar? But like I said, the context is so different. Emma’s a freaking amnesiac in one of those instances, and in the other there’s the whole other factor of Neal and Rumple’s relationship which is what causes him to get upset. So the situations aren’t really comparable at all IMO.
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ParticipantYeah it does look like an old pic. It’s a bit tragic how excited I am to know that they’re officially back filming. 😆 The spoiler drought has been rough.
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ParticipantHook’s actions at the end of 311 can quite easily be classified as assault. He didn’t consider it that way, (and I get why he kissed her and it was in character for him), but from Emma’s point of view, her reaction was totally justified, especially considering that he could have posed a threat to Henry for all she knew.
One of the things that makes Hook’s actions here particularly inappropriate IMO is that they weren’t in a relationship previously. This is where I differentiate this scene to the scenes with Snowing and Rumbelle. Those kisses could have technically been classed as assault in those instances too, but in both cases, there were a pre-existing relationship, there had been mutual love established, each party was on the same level when it came to understanding that they were in love with each other. So had the kisses worked, the one who was cured of amnesia wouldn’t have been creeped out or felt violated by being kissed.
Emma has kissed Hook one time, in circumstances that involved persuasion, (not saying he took away her free will, I’m just saying, the kiss hadn’t been her idea and if not for him persisting, it wouldn’t have even happened), she said it was a one time thing, and she later told him it had been just a kiss. It didn’t hold any deep meaning for her, and as such, they didn’t end up involved in a relationship. There has not been a mutual love established between these two. So him forcing the kiss on her in 311 isn’t necessarily something that non-amnesiac Emma would have wanted to happen, and that’s what makes it a true violation.
Like I said before though, it was in character for Hook. Dude was in love with Milah for a couple 100 years after she’d died, and he’s only been apart from Emma for one year, so of course he hasn’t forgotten about her. And he’s had a successful career of womanising, which you can’t achieve without being forthright if there’s a woman who’s caught your eye, so of course he was gonna go for it and kiss her when he saw her. Doesn’t make it right or romantic. It was a selfish and poorly considered thing for him to do, but, well, pirate, so acting in his own self interest makes sense.
He’s obviously made some strides in curbing his selfishness if he’s there to bring Emma back to help everyone, (which could be traced back to him taking her advice from the end of S2 to be a part of something), but it’s not like he’s not hoping to get something out of this on a personal level as well. My hope is that they’ll use it as an opportunity to grow his character when he doesn’t end up getting that personal payoff, and he just will have helped everyone else, and actually, will have helped Emma get back to Neal. So he’ll have done the right thing, and been on the losing end, and then we’d get to see how he deals with that, (similar to how Regina defused the well so Snow and Emma could get through, but she didn’t get a big, positive payoff for it, and she ended up backsliding). You need these sorts of challenges if you’re gonna give a character a convincing redemption arc, which is what I’d like to see for him in the long run. Changing over the course of a week, like we’ve seen from him in S3, does not a real redemption arc make.
PS. It took me several minutes to figure out what that gifset was even meant to be illustrating. Guess they’re trying to show the difference between Neal yelling at her and Hook just being happy to see her? Honestly, the contexts of each situation are so different, I dunno how they can be compared.
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ParticipantYeah I’d thought they might have already been done. If what Jane said about the number of eps is true, then they could only have one or two more left to shoot.
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ParticipantThanks for the info on the poem. It’s very fitting, clever prop makers indeed!
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ParticipantThe “person” bit reminded me of Cristina and Meredith on Grey’s Anatomy. It’s a term of endearment that they use to show that they’re BFFs, soulmates, always there for each other in the end, and so I really liked them using that same word when referring to what Neal is to Emma.


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ParticipantHow do we know it’s #15? I don’t think they spent enough time on #14 yet……..only a few days.
They spent at least a week on 314. There were a few days of outdoor shoots (including stuff with the base of the tower), then several days of indoor shoots. And it wouldn’t make sense for them to shoot just half an ep before taking a couple of weeks off.
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ParticipantDid Hook have his hook in the New York scenes? And if not, what would that imply?
No, he didn’t. I think it might imply that he was sent by Snowing, who advised him to remove the deadly weapon “hand” because it would probably just freak Emma out and make her less likely to want to speak to him.
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