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That guy sent the “great working with you” tweet to Lana, Sean, Ginny, Emilie, and Josh, as well as Alexandra.Everick Golding
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1564932/I dont want to get into an argument about it, it wasnt my intention to make anyone defensive (I honestly re-read what I’d written 3times before posting it to make sure nothing could be taken out of context). Anyway I hope that clears up what I was saying. Thanks again for the time to answer the question.
Not defensive, so no worries. 🙂 I’ve just seen it time and again that people, (typically CSers), talk about there being a total disconnect between Bae and Neal, and that’s why they feel like they can’t connect with Neal, so I figured that’s what you were getting at.
I think that the big, “IT’S NEAL,” outburst was just a heat of the moment thing. Rumple was dodging questions, Neal screaming at him was sort of to slap him in the face and say, “I’m not that little kid anymore, I’m an adult, and you’re gonna start treating me like one and tell me the effing truth!” Once Rumple had proven himself in NL, and then they got back to SB, Neal didn’t correct him any more. One particular moment off the top of my head is when he gave him back the cane and Rumple said, “Thank you, Bae,” and he didn’t react at all.
I guess I don’t really consider his Neal-ness to be a separate, walls up, “safe” version of himself, Neal is just the person he’s grown into, so I don’t really expect there to be any past/present reconciliation he needs to do. He can’t have been all walled up if he let Tamara in. I don’t think Neal has ever felt particularly “safe” (apart from the time he was with Emma back in the day), because he’s pretty convinced that the universe will continually screw him over. When they came knocking on his door, his instinct was to run, which isn’t the action of someone who feels “safe” in their present persona. Being Neal instead of Bae isn’t like emotional armour, I don’t think. He’s always been vulnerable. Emma had emotional armour galore, but I don’t think Neal was really the same. He tried to bury certain things, like his feelings for Emma, but I don’t consider that the same thing as having walls up to protect himself. I think he knows his own emotions pretty well, and owns them.
Thanks for the answers Phee 🙂 Rumplesgirl actually gave me the answer I was more wondering about as far as 8:15 goes- that was exactly what I was pondering about, Thank you 🙂
No worries. 🙂 And it honestly never even occurred to me that the 8:15 had anything to do with Hook, because like RG said, that’s when Emma woke up, it’s not when Hook showed up. She’d had time to make a whole stack of pancakes plus scrambled eggs and hot chocolate by the time he showed up.
Yes, I was referring to Tamara, but also about the many beliefs/truths he held onto about his father & their relationship in general (both as father & son, as well as Rumple/Milah/Bae family unit), with what he now knows happened after Rumple let him go & what his father actually was doing to find him etc (like how Emma, knew & believed her parents hadnt abandoned her on purpose, but it doesnt change the fact that for 28yrs that is what she lived kind of thing & she had to work through those emotions etc.)- though much of this may get answered when we come back from S3, since a yr will have passed.
Well, when he accepted his father and believed that he did love him, that was obviously a massive weight off, which he’d been carrying around for forever. And very soon after that, he watched his father give his own life, in order to protect his. So while he’ll undoubtedly be mourning the loss, (the way he stood still for a moment longer than everyone else when they were released from the spell, because he was just standing there in shock, was heartbreaking), especially considering they could have started to build a life together after all this time apart, I think he’s also filled with pride for his old man, and if he had to lose him again, at least this was how it happened.
I don’t know that that necessarily impacts his relationship with Emma or Henry, because he’d already dedicated himself to them both before all of the stuff with Rumple came to light. If it does impact those relationships, I’d guess it would be in a positive way, because now that he’s accepted that he was actually loved by his father, that’s gonna make him feel better about himself, which will have a flow on effect of him being stronger in general.
Emma’s deal with her parents isn’t exactly the same, because she was starting from a place of knowing absolutely nothing about them, or why they’d given her up. Neal knew Rumple for 14 years, and there was a specific event that they were involved in, so he had a specific grudge that’s now been resolved. In Emma’s case, she’s starting completely from scratch when she’s trying to accept that these people who she never knew existed, are actually her parents, and the same age as her, and they’re fairytale characters, which is another thing that Neal doesn’t have to deal with the shock of, because he’s always known that those “characters” are actually real people.
Basically, Neal is better equipped to deal with his parental dramas, as opposed to Emma being able to deal with hers, so I don’t really expect to get similar parental relationship stuff from Neal that we got from Emma. And now that his storyline with Rumple has come full circle, seeing him do the brave thing, instead of being a coward like he was over the portal, I think it will be an immense sense of closure for Neal. There’s nothing left unresolved between him and Rumple that he needs to wonder about, and regret, and dwell on.
(I’m REALLY hoping we see Neal reconciling his Bae self with his Neal self- I feel really bad for him, when he say’s “he’s not Bae anymore”, Bae was wonderful & I hope Neal can start to embrace that part of himself again, which I think would be the perfect time to show us his back story- of Bae, becoming Neal as such).
Honestly, it baffles me a bit when people say that they see Bae and Neal as being two separate characters. I really don’t think they come across as being different people at all. Bae grew up poor, then lived on the streets in London, then in a cave in NL. We don’t have much of Neal’s history in our world yet, but we do know that he was homeless and having to steal (like in London) in order to scrape by with a meagre existence (like in FTL) and survive on his own (like in NL). He’s resourceful, we know this especially from his time in NL as a child when he figured out how to capture the Shadow, and he’s still resourceful in present day, as we saw with him searching for a way out of FTL. He’s always longed for family, like he did with his father, and like he had with the Darlings, and then like he had with Emma, and then found with Henry. He’s still self sacrificial, like he was when he was willing to give up everything to save his father, and then he gave up his new found family to save the Darling boys, and then he gave up Emma so she could find her family, then he gave up his life (so he expected) at the portal so that Henry wouldn’t lose both of them. These are major traits that are consistent between the boy Bae, and the man Neal.
All he’s ever wanted is a safe family, and several times, both as a child, and an adult, he’s sacrificed that for himself so that others could have it instead. Thankfully, even though he’s now lost Rumple, Emma and Henry (though all of them almost certainly temporarily), he has new family because he’s related to Snowing through Henry, (and even Regina, who I think is starting to soften and accept that she’s a part of the larger family), and he’d likely consider Belle to be family as well, so at least he’s not been left completely alone this time.
Aladdin and Jasmine not being in OUATW could mean that they will turn up in a later season of Once which in turn means they have a perfect opportunity to introduce Jafar to the proper Once.
Yep, I’d say that’s a fair bet. I wonder if they might use Jasmine and Aladdin as a way to bring back some Ariel and Eric too, considering they had Eric mention having gone to Agrabah, so maybe their stories can connect up somehow. (Might be wishful thinking, I just really hope we get more Ariel at some point, somehow.)
Can’t wait for the WWW spoilers! I’d guess that Elphaba isn’t really an option for her name because legal issues. Theodora is likely, considering that’s her name in the Disney movie. But if that’s too recent and they wanna keep their own version separate, perhaps the theory of her being mashed up with Cruella could prove true.
There’s so much untold story potential for NL.
How did Tink get there in the first place?
What work did Hook do for Pan, (they eluded to it then never elaborated)?
How did the Darlings get entangled with Pan again?
Why was Bae living apart from the other Lost Boys, (perhaps Pan let him so he wouldn’t discover Wendy being there)?
What was Tink and Pan’s relationship, (it seemed he apparently trusted her if she could get into his camp)?
How did Tink and Pan’s relationship impact both of their relationships with Hook?
How did Bae leave NL?
How did Hook leave NL?
How did Pan get the pic of Henry?
How and why did the darkening of NL progress?What’s the difference between Pan’s and the “guardian” of NL voiced by Manson?
I think when they would refer to the Shadow as “Pan’s shadow”, they were thinking of it as, “That thing is his actual shadow,” because they didn’t have all the info. But actually, it’s “Pan’s shadow” in the sense that, “It’s a servant of Pan.” Malcolm said that the Shadow was part of the island, and it would also become part of him, which I’m taking to mean that they sort of merged into a team, and the Shadow was the roving, more mobile member of the team.
He gets an odd look on his face and looks down as he realizes that he’s clenching something in his hand. He opens up his fist and realizes that he was clenching the swan pendant when the curse hit and he finally tears up realizing that it’s all he has left of Emma and his family is now gone. Snow sees that Neal is broken and that Belle is totally devastated and she asks them to come with her and David to their castle for a while because “we’re family and we can help each other through our shared grief”. I want to see them take care of each other because they’re ALL grieving for their loved ones and I wouldn’t be able to take it if he ends up alone again. I know this is a total tearjerker moment (if it actually happens) but I think it would go a LONG way towards making people truly realize the heartbreak that is Neal’s life. He literally has just had his entire world fall apart for like the 4th time (at least) and he’s had so much heartbreak in so many different ways that he has to be almost numb to it by now. 😥
You just made me cry! (I love it!)
Another pretty thing: Henry and his parents, all three of them!
Fierce family is FIERCE! Neal’s like, “Pan, please….we got this won punk” and Emma is about to open up a can on the immature and bratty teenager. I also love that Henry grabs an arm from both of his moms. And seriously, when Regina is the one who looks the least threatening in a photo you KNOW the other parents mean something REALLY fierce!!
For real! That really is an awesome, family pic!
Do people in here who frequent or lurk in the SF thread, think I could ask them a few questions & NOT receive answers based on how it’s relates to CS?
Answered here: https://oncepodcast.com/forums/topic/emma-baelfire-swanfire/#post-232472 (if that direct link doesn’t work, (it acted weird when I tried clicking it), it’s on page 316)
